Tier system HQ question

[Xavierus]

Hello

Nice to meet everyone here in the crafting forum. I’m a level 100 +3 alchemist and have been crafting hq cursed items etc for about 6 or 7 months now (still haven’t made the stupid cursed mail -1 ; ; ). I have always known a little bit a bout the tier system and the level ranges that are associating with them but I have one thing I don’t know if I’m 100% sure on:

With any craft, according to the tier system, you can get a level 95 craft or below into tier 1 by having that craft 100+3+adv. Image support regardless of the moon phase you craft in, direction you face etc?

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE. I usually craft between 20 and 30 items at a time and generally receive anywhere from 0 to 4 hq (mostly 2-3 which fits the tier 1) From reading about the tier system on here, is all of the extra “jazz” (FM, HQ direction etc) not necessary for synths like the Cursed Cuisses (93) or Cursed Greaves (94)? Since I can already bump myself up into Tier 1 without the moon phase etc, am I correct to assume that I get no added value by crafting at that time? On the other hand, a level 96 synth like the lolCursed Mask would benefit from moon phase, hq direction (being pushed from tier 0 to tier 1)?

I look forward to hearing some input on this from you guys. From my reading, it sounds like there are a lot of very experienced crafters/players on these forums ^^

Thanks,
Xavierus

[jinkazama]

I see bad things to come in your future my friend.

Watch out for the one they call Skeetaru

[Ashira]

Hey. At least he sounds like he read stuff and is just asking for extra info. I mean, after being assaulted with YOU MUST FACE THIS WAY AND STAND ON YOUR HEAD AND OMG I CAN'T CAMP FAFNIR NOW IT'S LIGHTSDAY FULL MOON TODAY OMGGGGGGGGGG etc, I can see why it's difficult to understand when all of a sudden new people are telling you direction and moon and day has shit all to do with anything. Especially with as elemental heavy SE tries to make everything sound. It was a longstanding belief by the original JP crafters which carried down and still has a base of people who want to believe there's something else they can do to up their chances. /shrug

Even people who KNOW and agree that it does nothing will still often wait for certain days just out of superstition.

At least this guy read through stuff and is processing information and isn't just being like 'omg u guyz r so dum dont u no ur suppost to only craft on teh oposit dayz? every1 nos that!'

:D

*I* will be watching for a Skeetaru here, mwahaha. The OP posted very nicely, politely, and with a good understanding of what he's obviously already read. There is no reason for anyone to flame him. :D

[Spekkio]

the answer is a resounding "doubtful" some people have collected some circumstantial evidence such as "hay! i just did 15 synths facing northeast on watersday while wearing metal armor and touching myself and i hqed 5 of them on a T1! YAY!" and taking this for evidence of fact with such an inadequate experiment. as was stated, some people wait for a given moon/day/time/planetary alignment out of superstition as it can't hurt, though most feel it's highly unlikely that it's helping either. think of it like rubbing a rabbit's foot. it can't hurt to rub it before you synth, so if it makes you feel better, go for it.

now this is also an open invitation for you. if you believe that it does have an effect and want to collect enough data with controlled variables to demonstrate a trend, there would be a lot of happy campers out there. assuming you do demonstrate a 0 correlation between the aforementioned variables and results, the naysayers can link to your evidence rather than engaging in a long, boring conversation with a boisterous, 5 post newbie with inevitable ends in a "u guyz r assez. i'm gonna go bak 2 allak where people r smart!!111!!eleventyteen" if, however, you should find a relationship in a well planned, complete, controlled experiment (though i'm not holding my breath) on even 1 variable (day, direction, moon phase/direction, staff, etc.) that will provide some interesting insight. again, though, i'm guessing it's a safe bet to put sally's college fund on the former possibility, but it can't hurt to record numbers and try.

[Trollox1]

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

Hmmm.

that is all for now ladies.

IMHO, HQing is like /randoming. the high above the zkill level the wider your HQ random zone range would be like +51 levels (T3) is like 999-400 = HQ 400-150 = NQ 150-1 = break

[BerenTebogo]

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

that is all for now ladies

This is the stupidest shit I've read in my entire life, jesus christ somebody get me a table to throw.

Regarding the OP, between skeet or I, you would get torn apart normally but it sounds like, as ashira said, you're a nice guy who has been raised by wolves.

Moon phase, direction, time, astrological alignment, the temperature of my hot chocolate, what color shirt I wore today, and how much sand is currently in my vagina all have the exact same effect on crafting. I'll leave the conclusion as to what effect that is to you.

The only thing that raises skill level is something that says, plainly: Increases xxx crafting skill. Period.

These items are as follows:

Gloves / Glasses / Wand : +1
Apron : +1
Moghancement : +1
Mogification (the combination of signboard and moghancement) : +1 (note that this +1 does not stack and overwrites moghancement +1)
No-pay support : +1
Pay support (aka bronze piece support) : +3

Thank you very much for making this the first post about directional crafting I think I've ever made where it didn't end with me trying to make an e-voodoo doll and praying for someones death.

[Zragnarok]

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

that is all for now ladies

This is the stupidest shit I've read in my entire life, jesus christ somebody get me a table to throw.

Regarding the OP, between skeet or I, you would get torn apart normally but it sounds like, as ashira said, you're a nice guy who has been raised by wolves.

Moon phase, direction, time, astrological alignment, the temperature of my hot chocolate, what color shirt I wore today, and how much sand is currently in my vagina all have the exact same effect on crafting. I'll leave the conclusion as to what effect that is to you.

The only thing that raises skill level is something that says, plainly: Increases xxx crafting skill. Period.

These items are as follows:

Gloves / Glasses / Wand : +1
Apron : +1
Moghancement : +1
Mogification (the combination of signboard and moghancement) : +1 (note that this +1 does not stack and overwrites moghancement +1)
No-pay support : +1
Pay support (aka bronze piece support) : +3

Thank you very much for making this the first post about directional crafting I think I've ever made where it didn't end with me trying to make an e-voodoo doll and praying for someones death.

Can you put more sand please ? I can't seems to HQ lol

And i'm not saying you're right or wrong Sath, but I always liked to believe that there's some players who found a real way to increase the HQ rate with either moon phase or putting more sand in a vagina and that they are too greedy to tell everyone else their trick because everyone would know how to HQ stuff and flood the market of it.

But then again, it's something I like to believe, it doesn't means that's true

[Hubie]

how much sand is currently in my vagina

The angry seagul.... No Joke.

Upon thinking about this post i feel i owe it to readers to clarify. This is NOT as much fun as it may sound. Picture lining a paper towel roll with 60 Grit sand paper and then pumping away.... Good luck!!

[BerenTebogo]

It's nice to believe in stuff, and hope that if you find that right little niche you're gonna make it big, but I mean honestly, for better or worse the majority of people spouting the HQ theories are people popping off the occasional 500k-1mil synth here and there with a little extra cash they have around, maybe going 2/8 and claiming they found jesus in their cereal.

There's nothing wrong with not having a ton of money to craft and when you're rewarded you freak out, that's fine.

The thing is though, especially on this board, you have people with completely self-funded relics, insane amounts of gil, Aurik, just Aurik, look at skeet's sig, hell if I made a sig out of my T0's and T1's or we all posted SS's of our gil it'd be ridiculous. I'm on a like 0/28 T1 certain item streak at the same time I'm also 0/21 on another, and I'm not blaming the stars, the day, or anything else, it's all statistics and it will all even out one day, even if it means I back to back T0 HQ feral ledelsens (sure it's not money, and I'm pissed, but it counts towards the law of averages)

The money is made by crafting, often, the more you craft the more you will break and the more you will HQ, period. For better or worse on an average day I can sit down and craft through 5-10mil worth of behemoth hides, some days I'll want to kill myself and break like 3/10, other's I pop dusk +1, and some I 10/10 NQ.

But people like on Ifrit for example: Heimdal and Ferret, Heimdal having unicorn leggings +1 and ferret having, well, 3 of everything. One could glance at them and assume "OMG they cracked the HQ code" when in fact all it is, is that they have so much money, and craft in such sheer volumes / aren't discouraged by break > double hide loss that they can sit and craft til they HQ, period.

Don't quote me on it but I think heimdal went 1/35+ on unicorn leggings over time, well within the accepted average for T0 (sometimes you get lucky sometimes not) and I know for a fact that Ferret overall is like 2/50-70 on Penance robes.

If you, as an alchemist, only craft ohat clusters and wlegs for 80% of your crafting and craft wbody for like 5% of it, and you blow HQ synths on clusters and shit, and then you're 0/months on Wbody, it's not because of your moon phase, its because you're not sitting down and plowing through W body, and only W body, til you HQ. That's just anexample, not saying that's what you do or don't do.

The HQ secret is simple, craft often, craft in volume, don't cry over breaks. Master this and you'll make gil.

[Trollox1]

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

that is all for now ladies

This is the stupidest shit I've read in my entire life, jesus christ somebody get me a table to throw.

Regarding the OP, between skeet or I, you would get torn apart normally but it sounds like, as ashira said, you're a nice guy who has been raised by wolves.

Moon phase, direction, time, astrological alignment, the temperature of my hot chocolate, what color shirt I wore today, and how much sand is currently in my vagina all have the exact same effect on crafting. I'll leave the conclusion as to what effect that is to you.

The only thing that raises skill level is something that says, plainly: Increases xxx crafting skill. Period.

These items are as follows:

Gloves / Glasses / Wand : +1
Apron : +1
Moghancement : +1
Mogification (the combination of signboard and moghancement) : +1 (note that this +1 does not stack and overwrites moghancement +1)
No-pay support : +1
Pay support (aka bronze piece support) : +3

Thank you very much for making this the first post about directional crafting I think I've ever made where it didn't end with me trying to make an e-voodoo doll and praying for someones death.

LOL, stupid huh? you don;t HQ much, I can tell.................


I bet this dude crafts on OMGWTFBBQ is NEW MOON

[BerenTebogo]

Can you tell.............................really?.......... .......................Are you sure.............................?

I craft when I buy the materials, on the spot, facing the leathercraft support guy.

OMGWTFBBQ16POSTS.

It's always the ones who wander here from KI / Zam, I swear.

Edit: You don't even have a 100 craft, shut the fuck up.

[Hubie]

My Tier0 Rate on any type of Sheet (gold or smithing) is through the roof. Ive HQed 5 moly sheets (before i could Tier1 them) and 4 Kunwu Sheets (just an assumption on the level). Aluminum sheets ive lost track of.

I bet this dude crafts on OMGWTFBBQ is NEW MOON

funny, i kind of agree with his theory almost 100%. I just spam out synths whenever i feel like it and seem to do ok for myself... At least from what i hear.

[Crizto]

His name suits how he posts... Trollox.

[vegetaa]

It's been about a week, so that kind of post was bound to appear again. Bad thing is god probably killed another kitten while reading it. So alla and KI guys, think about the kitten, and stay the fuck on your favorite non-elitist site for the love of kittens.

[Zragnarok]

Tbh Sath, I haven't crafted something in months. I tried in the past most of those theories, I even asked someone to craft for me one day because I was at work and couldn't be there when it was full moon or new moon ( and I HQed on that day lol ). I remember HQing my first WGear for a friend when he asked me : Can you craft on that day, at that time, blah blah blah ? But it was all pure luck...

The fact is, most ppl are like me and craft sometimes or for a friend and can't have a good opinion because when they aren't lucky under some conditions, they try another theory and wow, HQ 2 back to back! > /clock > full moon > firesday > I'm wearing subligar omg I break the HQ code... But the fact is that it's just the probability that comes back to even the score...

[vagus]

Lol. E-Voodoo.

Dances around :ashira: and claps my hand 5x and hopes for the best.

Honestly, for T0 it's just pure randomness. Does Moonphase effect HQ's? Yes, you can easily see that when crafting T3's and sometimes even T1. Does facing in the right direction help? I have no idea, never really tested this out. Honestly, if your going for a T0 HQ just craft whenever you want. This way you'll be completly surprised, like I was when I crafted my T0 Penance Robe. I'm currently 0/32 on Dusk Gloves+1. Heh.

-V

[Thistle]

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE.

I'll ignore you mentioned anything about directions.

You people and your HQing during full moon confuse me so much. For the last however many years it's been new moon for HQs, now suddenly in the last year some people are saying full moon for HQs. What the heck?

[Zragnarok]

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE.

I'll ignore you mentioned anything about directions.

You people and your HQing during full moon confuse me so much. For the last however many years it's been new moon for HQs, now suddenly in the last year some people are saying full moon for HQs. What the heck?

I heard 4 theories... I'm not saying I believe in them but it's what I read

-HQ on New Moon
-HQ on Full Moon
-HQ on whatever moon phase
-HQ on the Moon opposite to the crystal you craft. To make it simple, if you use a Dark Crystal, craft on Full Moon. If you craft with a Light Crystal, craft on New Moon. Same goes for the 6 crystals left. 3 are light based and 3 are dark based...

[Thistle]

I heard 4 theories... I'm not saying I believe in them but it's what I read

-HQ on New Moon
-HQ on Full Moon
-HQ on whatever moon phase
-HQ on the Moon opposite to the crystal you craft. To make it simple, if you use a Dark Crystal, craft on Full Moon. If you craft with a Light Crystal, craft on New Moon. Same goes for the 6 crystals left. 3 are light based and 3 are dark based...

I'm not talking about theories though, mine comes from that actual, real* study that was done years ago. That insane guy who synthed 10,000 wands. The one and only thing he found was that new moon made for better HQs .

When it comes to crafting, that is the one and only thing I believe in. It was tested in a scientific way by a totally insane guy who did a lot for crafting.

(* "Real" can be argued, but he satisfied me. He controled for everything, even doing it in the same city/direction and stuff.)

[Zarath]

I can assure you, Moon Phase has little to no effect, direction has little to no effect (though I admit I'm a superstitious fucktard when it comes to crafting and really the only thing I follow cause it makes me feel good inside, ok?) and really crafting in quantity is really the way to go.

The Wand testing I have my doubts, I've crafted a shit tonne of T3 items in WW and CC to know that T3 can have a % variance overall (Think in the test pool of about 8500 different instances of making something and different items and crystals) and I can assure you that my T3 HQ rate is about 65% overall (I'd have to find my data if I still have it, it was around 60-65 range from what I can remember), does it mean I know something? Hardly, I just craft when I feel I'll HQ or not.

My T1 HQ rate was around the vicinity of 15-20% during my prime (current sitting at a cool 13.6%), does that mean I followed some voodoo theory? Not really again I crafted when I feel it felt right, sometimes following certain patterns in days but sometimes going against it and still widdling out that lucky HQ.

Everyone on the LS knows I HQ a lot, they ask about my secrets, I don't have much I just synth when I feel I'll HQ, simple as that.