Tier system HQ question

[Naver]

Can you tell.............................really?.......... .......................Are you sure.............................?

I craft when I buy the materials, on the spot, facing the leathercraft support guy.

OMGWTFBBQ16POSTS.

It's always the ones who wander here from KI / Zam, I swear.

Edit: You don't even have a 100 craft, shut the fuck up.

So can you explain to me what the relevance of 16 posts is to this thread, and for that matter are you sure he came from KI / Zam? People can be misinformed, but trying to prove your right by mocking him and saying his post count is low makes it so anything you bring to the table to insult him is null and void. You can do better than that!

[aurik]

Can you tell.............................really?.......... .......................Are you sure.............................?

I craft when I buy the materials, on the spot, facing the leathercraft support guy.

OMGWTFBBQ16POSTS.

It's always the ones who wander here from KI / Zam, I swear.

Edit: You don't even have a 100 craft, shut the fuck up.

So can you explain to me what the relevance of 16 posts is to this thread, and for that matter are you sure he came from KI / Zam? People can be misinformed, but trying to prove your right by mocking him and saying his post count is low makes it so anything you bring to the table to insult him is null and void. You can do better than that!

Because all 16-post-count "moon theory" advocates come from KI and Zam.
This statement is about as well supported as moon-theory crafting is.

[Naver]

Can you tell.............................really?.......... .......................Are you sure.............................?

I craft when I buy the materials, on the spot, facing the leathercraft support guy.

OMGWTFBBQ16POSTS.

It's always the ones who wander here from KI / Zam, I swear.

Edit: You don't even have a 100 craft, shut the fuck up.

So can you explain to me what the relevance of 16 posts is to this thread, and for that matter are you sure he came from KI / Zam? People can be misinformed, but trying to prove your right by mocking him and saying his post count is low makes it so anything you bring to the table to insult him is null and void. You can do better than that!

Because all 16-post-count "moon theory" advocates come from KI and Zam.
This statement is about as well supported as moon-theory crafting is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him on the moon theory part, I'm defending him because he was being flamed for having a low post count, which to me doesn't really make much sense. So the fuck what if he has 16 posts, I never knew that had a correlation between his knowledge for the game and how many times he posts on these forums, but I can see how that might work out for you Aurik. In any case, I'm more surprised this hasn't been locked yet by you since the OP has been answered already.

[Izzy]

I have a "superstition" of facing south for HQ. I don't actually believe there's a game mechanics advantage to doing it, it's just superstition.

I thought a test posted by Elmer here (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17195) showed that New Moon had a 1% higher HQ rate and Full Moon had a 1% lower fail rate. I never actually followed it...I'm not waking my ass up at a weird ass fucking hour to synth. I still just synth when I buy the materials.

[BerenTebogo]

We here on the crafting forums enjoy the ol' chuckle at someone else's expense, hence why it's probably not locked.

The 16 post count actually had nothing to with anything besides a retort to his OMGWTFBBQNEWMOON, taken in correlation it, much like the statement that provoked it, is retarded and has no bearing on anything.

However Aurik is also correct, if you follow this forum long enough you too will notice the striking amount of people with <100 posts coming here and saying "U guyz craft rong lolol" this isn't new, hell it isn't even a stretch to early-warning sign them by their first post in a topic like this.

Plenty of people come here with 2-3 posts with legitimate questions, and we help them out, if you come here and say "I bet he doesn't HQ much OMGWTFBBQ NEW MOON," well, you fall subject to whatever relevant or irrelevant insults I happen to deem worthy to throw at you. I don't make a habit of educating idiots, I make a habit of verbally castrating them to the best of my ability, people coming here seeking actual information are always welcomed, this isn't new.

[Ashira]

/pets Sath

Be good!

[BerenTebogo]

I always am :nikkei:

[Zarath]

And why I lub u guys :nikkei:

[Skeetaru]

Hello

Nice to meet everyone here in the crafting forum. I’m a level 100 +3 alchemist and have been crafting hq cursed items etc for about 6 or 7 months now (still haven’t made the stupid cursed mail -1 ; ; ). I have always known a little bit a bout the tier system and the level ranges that are associating with them but I have one thing I don’t know if I’m 100% sure on:

With any craft, according to the tier system, you can get a level 95 craft or below into tier 1 by having that craft 100+3+adv. Image support regardless of the moon phase you craft in, direction you face etc?

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE. I usually craft between 20 and 30 items at a time and generally receive anywhere from 0 to 4 hq (mostly 2-3 which fits the tier 1) From reading about the tier system on here, is all of the extra “jazz” (FM, HQ direction etc) not necessary for synths like the Cursed Cuisses (93) or Cursed Greaves (94)? Since I can already bump myself up into Tier 1 without the moon phase etc, am I correct to assume that I get no added value by crafting at that time? On the other hand, a level 96 synth like the lolCursed Mask would benefit from moon phase, hq direction (being pushed from tier 0 to tier 1)?

I look forward to hearing some input on this from you guys. From my reading, it sounds like there are a lot of very experienced crafters/players on these forums ^^

Thanks,
Xavierus

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2...ic7copyrl2.jpg

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

Hmmm.

that is all for now ladies.

IMHO, HQing is like /randoming. the high above the zkill level the wider your HQ random zone range would be like +51 levels (T3) is like 999-400 = HQ 400-150 = NQ 150-1 = break

http://codebloo.net/stuff/picard-headesk.jpg

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE.

I'll ignore you mentioned anything about directions.

You people and your HQing during full moon confuse me so much. For the last however many years it's been new moon for HQs, now suddenly in the last year some people are saying full moon for HQs. What the heck?

I heard 4 theories... I'm not saying I believe in them but it's what I read

-HQ on New Moon
-HQ on Full Moon
-HQ on whatever moon phase
-HQ on the Moon opposite to the crystal you craft. To make it simple, if you use a Dark Crystal, craft on Full Moon. If you craft with a Light Crystal, craft on New Moon. Same goes for the 6 crystals left. 3 are light based and 3 are dark based...

http://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/497/20...-Facepalm1.jpg

How come all the retards post on the same topics at once

[Raineer]

Well played.

[Sanoske]

This thread makes me happy. Carry on!

[jinkazama]

I warned yall of Skeetaru's wrath!

[Crizto]

Just took a while for him to appear

[Tomiko]

Just took a while for him to appear

He was obviously waiting for New Moon to craft and couldn't post til it was over. :bagel:

[vegetaa]

if you come here and say "I bet he doesn't HQ much OMGWTFBBQ NEW MOON," well, you fall subject to whatever relevant or irrelevant insults we happen to deem worthy to throw at you.

That should be written in big bold red letters on every pages of the crafting forum.

Anyone has a link to the data about that guy who synthed 10.000 wands ? Having been a BIG ink/shihei/lumber crafter back when it was very profitable, I'm curious to read how he went insane repeating 10.000 times the exact same thing for a useless purpose.

[Catrina]

Not that I believe in any of it, have any real data or even craft much at all (I'm not a gambler by nature, don't like to try to aim for HQ and balance everything in it for my financial well being), but WHEN I do, I go for day opposite of crystal or same as crystal (if I go after success). Does it help? Don't know, likely not. Does it help me? A bit.

If you wanna go crazy/insane, here are a few more pet theories:
- respecting daytime/nighttime or the opposite of it when it comes to crystal affinity (craft light-based crystals on nighttime and vice-versa - from lv3 skillchain affinity, you can get it on your equipment screen)
- moon (again light/dark based crystals alignments with new and full moon)
- day of the week and celestial and elemental strengths charts at the windy tarus.
- eating a lucky egg before crafting


You may find that you never find the right time to craft if you try to respect all "rules".

In all honesty, likely it's all random and your only perception of it comes from a small sample size.

[Xavierus]

Everyone, Thank you very much for your input about manipulation of the tier system and the relevance of moon phases etc. From the sounds of it, there really isn’t a general consensus on the effects of much of this. Following the advice of the early posts, I tried to craft last night disregarding direction and moon phase but maintaining my crafting on the day opposite to the crystal (lights day). I observed the same results I had received two days earlier. 3 out of 24 were hq (13%) which fits the tier 1 theory of 10% hq rate.

As for the relative inexperience associated with this post, I am neither associated with KI or Allakhazam though I have read crafting faqs on them in the past. I want thank those of you who did provide an honest answer to me regarding your crafting experiences etc (it helped me break my normal mold of crafting time last night and saved me from having to wake up at 1:30 AM :D). As for those who posted more abrasive posts, I apologize if I offended you in any way, that certainly was not my intent. I have been following BG forums for several weeks now and have observed a more advanced group of players than those found in either of the above-mentioned sites. I wish you all the best and I will probably pop my head in here from time to time.

Thanks,
Xavierus

[vegetaa]

One very, very, VERY important thing : 24 synths is not enough to draw conclusions. 100 synths is not enough either. You need thousands of synths, performed under specific conditions, before you start drawing conclusions on any synth parameter.

With a vaguely scientific approach, you can say that something as random as these countless theories about directions, moon, elemental gear and such will be false until proven true.

There is in fact a pretty strong consensus : Don't believe all the random unrealistic crap you read here and there.

[Skeetaru]

Not that I believe in any of it, have any real data or even craft much at all (I'm not a gambler by nature, don't like to try to aim for HQ and balance everything in it for my financial well being), but WHEN I do, I go for day opposite of crystal or same as crystal (if I go after success). Does it help? Don't know, likely not. Does it help me? A bit.

If you wanna go crazy/insane, here are a few more pet theories:
- respecting daytime/nighttime or the opposite of it when it comes to crystal affinity (craft light-based crystals on nighttime and vice-versa - from lv3 skillchain affinity, you can get it on your equipment screen)
- moon (again light/dark based crystals alignments with new and full moon)
- day of the week and celestial and elemental strengths charts at the windy tarus.
- eating a lucky egg before crafting


You may find that you never find the right time to craft if you try to respect all "rules".

In all honesty, likely it's all random and your only perception of it comes from a small sample size.

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Hidden Message, find it.

[Zragnarok]

Hello

Nice to meet everyone here in the crafting forum. I’m a level 100 +3 alchemist and have been crafting hq cursed items etc for about 6 or 7 months now (still haven’t made the stupid cursed mail -1 ; ; ). I have always known a little bit a bout the tier system and the level ranges that are associating with them but I have one thing I don’t know if I’m 100% sure on:

With any craft, according to the tier system, you can get a level 95 craft or below into tier 1 by having that craft 100+3+adv. Image support regardless of the moon phase you craft in, direction you face etc?

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE. I usually craft between 20 and 30 items at a time and generally receive anywhere from 0 to 4 hq (mostly 2-3 which fits the tier 1) From reading about the tier system on here, is all of the extra “jazz” (FM, HQ direction etc) not necessary for synths like the Cursed Cuisses (93) or Cursed Greaves (94)? Since I can already bump myself up into Tier 1 without the moon phase etc, am I correct to assume that I get no added value by crafting at that time? On the other hand, a level 96 synth like the lolCursed Mask would benefit from moon phase, hq direction (being pushed from tier 0 to tier 1)?

I look forward to hearing some input on this from you guys. From my reading, it sounds like there are a lot of very experienced crafters/players on these forums ^^

Thanks,
Xavierus

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2...ic7copyrl2.jpg

HQing is based on the moon cylce, yes but not the way EVERYONE thinks.

*hint*

ever noticed how oneday is always left out of a moon phase?

Hmmm.

that is all for now ladies.

IMHO, HQing is like /randoming. the high above the zkill level the wider your HQ random zone range would be like +51 levels (T3) is like 999-400 = HQ 400-150 = NQ 150-1 = break

http://codebloo.net/stuff/picard-headesk.jpg

For me, I’ve always crafted for high quality during the 100% full moon on lightsday (using dark crystals) and face NE.

I'll ignore you mentioned anything about directions.

You people and your HQing during full moon confuse me so much. For the last however many years it's been new moon for HQs, now suddenly in the last year some people are saying full moon for HQs. What the heck?

I heard 4 theories... I'm not saying I believe in them but it's what I read

-HQ on New Moon
-HQ on Full Moon
-HQ on whatever moon phase
-HQ on the Moon opposite to the crystal you craft. To make it simple, if you use a Dark Crystal, craft on Full Moon. If you craft with a Light Crystal, craft on New Moon. Same goes for the 6 crystals left. 3 are light based and 3 are dark based...

http://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/497/20...-Facepalm1.jpg

How come all the retards post on the same topics at once

Thanks Skeet for including me in the retard list of ppl who posted here but I was just answering to the poster above me and saying what I heard. That doesn't mean I believe in them, it's all the stuff I heard from reading all those posts. If they want to believe in them, it's fine. It's like giving the paper around a candy to a kid. You know there's nothing to do with it but if the kid have fun with it, who cares ? lol