Super Tuesday (and the other primaries)

[archibaldcrane]

You're full of shit lol All I do on these forums is 90% arguing the details.

No, all you do is make unsubstantiated claims, which is why you are so annoying. Let's take a look:

The shear ease it is for someone to fuck with massive amounts of votes(not even close to paper) should be enough reason alone to not use electronic ballots. You make it sound like its possible to track these switched votes in comparison to rigging paper elections(*cough* george dubya). You won't be seeing the word recount anytime soon.

Bolded for unsubstantiated claims. Use links to news sources, wikipedia, hell anything, to back up the shit you say. Otherwise everyone else has to do it for you, which is really annoying.

[Demosthenes11]

This is a good example. There are alot of other countries who are doing it better than us(not perfect, but better). Its an interesting read if you examine some of the systems used all over Europe. Each one unique, but sharing similar values. The least we could over here, to start with, is a reform on our candidate fundraising and electronic ballots plaguing our elections.

problem with europe's system is it is...excuse the cliche`... unamerican. If you have endless resources and want to spend your money on something that isn't harming anyone, why should we impede that? Of course this obviously ties into my hate for the current campaign legislation, but still. Cutting everyone's legs off in a race because some people are faster than other's doesn't make it fair, it makes it stupid

[sunb1ind]

This is a good example. There are alot of other countries who are doing it better than us(not perfect, but better). Its an interesting read if you examine some of the systems used all over Europe. Each one unique, but sharing similar values. The least we could over here, to start with, is a reform on our candidate fundraising and electronic ballots plaguing our elections.

problem with europe's system is it is...excuse the cliche`... unamerican. If you have endless resources and want to spend your money on something that isn't harming anyone, why should we impede that? Of course this obviously ties into my hate for the current campaign legislation, but still. Cutting everyone's legs off in a race because some people are faster than other's doesn't make it fair, it makes it stupid

Because how much money you have durring an election doesnt have any influence with how people vote.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Hillary- ... Uncensored
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/0208- ... 1384351832

(see, I post links will you actually watch them?)

[Demosthenes11]

This is a good example. There are alot of other countries who are doing it better than us(not perfect, but better). Its an interesting read if you examine some of the systems used all over Europe. Each one unique, but sharing similar values. The least we could over here, to start with, is a reform on our candidate fundraising and electronic ballots plaguing our elections.

problem with europe's system is it is...excuse the cliche`... unamerican. If you have endless resources and want to spend your money on something that isn't harming anyone, why should we impede that? Of course this obviously ties into my hate for the current campaign legislation, but still. Cutting everyone's legs off in a race because some people are faster than other's doesn't make it fair, it makes it stupid

Because how much money you have durring an election doesnt have any influence with how people vote.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Hillary- ... Uncensored
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/0208- ... 1384351832

(see, I post links will you actually watch them?)

LOL

[sunb1ind]

I know right!?! LOL reality is fuckin hilarious!

[evilbau]

It was commented on MSNBC, and I agree, is that if it continues to be split down the middle, it will be decided by the super delegates. So effectively they are campaigning their colleagues, fellow senators, representatives, governors, etc. I bet they'll really like their sudden importance and seek to abuse it. I wonder if Obama's ideals for drastic change will be compromised by promises made among those meetings...

Neck and neck, Democrats woo superdelegates
Clinton, Obama pursue members of group that could break tie at convention

“Superdelegates are, by design, supposed to exercise independent judgment,” she said at a news conference in Maine, according to MSNBC. “But, of course, if Senator Obama and his campaign continue to push this position, which is really contrary to what the definition of a superdelegate has historically been, I will look forward to receiving the support of Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23091820/

[archibaldcrane]

This is one hell of a race.

[Demosthenes11]

This is one hell of a race.

i c wut u did thar

[Charla]

This is one hell of a race.

i c wut u did thar

OH SNAP! +8 pages

[evilbau]

Anyone else still paying attention? lol

Huckabee is still winning states, but McCain's lead is unsurmountable. Today Romney threw his support behind mccain, to further wrap things up.

Obama is cleaning up everywhere, Clinton has been trying to reset expectations, and is drawing a line in the sand with Ohio and Texas (march 4th). Some housecleaning to show she means business, but its clear Obama has the momentum. Don't underestimate a Clinton, but shes definitely weakened. Superdelegates are still a giant question mark, but they don't want something similar to 2000 in the 'supreme court decided the election' scenario, so they will probably just back the frontrunner. Clinton has to make a strong case as to why they should vote their convictions rather than the will of the people.

I guess most people don't geek out on this sort of stuff

[evilbau]

From MSNBC's political blog (which i check a couple times a day)

Here's a delegate count update...

Official NBC News Hard Count (as of 2 p.m. Feb. 14)
DEMOCRATS
Obama 1,116
Clinton 985
Edwards 26

NOTE: There are 44 still unallocated, including 19 from MD, 10 each from CO and GA and one each from IL, NM, NY, TN, DC.

SUPER DELEGATES
Clinton 260
Obama 181

Super delegate numbers reflect totals gathered by the NBC News Political Unit from the campaigns and public endorsements.

Since Feb. 5, superdelegate endorsements are 11-2 Obama over Clinton. (Clinton has also lost two delegates since then -- one today switched to Obama and Tom Lantos passed away.)

GRAND TOTAL:
Obama 1,297
Clinton 1,245

[Beckwin]

Obama is on fire right now. I'm not exactly sure why Hilary thinks she'll get Ohio for sure, but I can kinda see Texas due to her popularity among Hispanics and that she's white. Not like Texas is gonna matter in the general election anyway for the Dems, but yeah.

[Correction]

Hillary just took New Mexico. Silly messicans and their distrust of the black man...

[evilbau]

Hillary just took New Mexico. Silly messicans and their distrust of the black man...

lol i just read that too, finally declared her the winner, so she gets like one more delegate.

I watched this the other day: an interview with a 21 year old superdelegate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 5#23119805

I want to smack the interviewer.

[Royal]

I think I read in our local paper(In New mexico) that ballot boxes were being held in a Clinton supporters house. I dunno if thats been said or not I don't really read this thread. Corruption anyone?

[archibaldcrane]

Hillary just took New Mexico. Silly messicans and their distrust of the other people who are also mixed-race.

Corrected.

[Xavier]

Obama is on fire right now. I'm not exactly sure why Hilary thinks she'll get Ohio for sure, but I can kinda see Texas due to her popularity among Hispanics and that she's white. Not like Texas is gonna matter in the general election anyway for the Dems, but yeah.

Hillary does well with lower income people, Ohio has a large population of lower income factory-type people feeling the burn. Obama generally does better among better educated upper class (upper middle class anyway) voters. The irony is that her husband signed NAFTA into law (but to be fair, the treaty started under the elder Bush).

It was commented on MSNBC, and I agree, is that if it continues to be split down the middle, it will be decided by the super delegates. So effectively they are campaigning their colleagues, fellow senators, representatives, governors, etc.

I can't believe I'm even saying this but Hillary's previous time in the White House is finally going to pay off, as she hopefully learned the value of a good blowjob.

[guartz]

I can't believe I'm even saying this but Hillary's previous time in the White House is finally going to pay off, as she hopefully learned the value of a good blowjob.

LOL.

To be honest, I don't think she can make a man ...ahem, pleased, with a blowjob, I mean, why else would bill go digging elsewhere?

I'm sure the delegates suspect this as well.

[archibaldcrane]

I can't believe I'm even saying this but Hillary's previous time in the White House is finally going to pay off, as she hopefully learned the value of a good blowjob.

LOL.

To be honest, I don't think she can make a man ...ahem, pleased, with a blowjob, I mean, why else would bill go digging elsewhere?

I'm sure the delegates suspect this as well.

If that 21-year old geek from Marquette isn't landing a score of blowjobs from supporters of both parties, well, he's doing it wrong.

I'd definitely let Chelsea Clinton give me head.

[Norelco]

It seems Hilary is getting desperate with the promises now. Withdraw troops from Iraq within 60 days of her becoming president? Tall order.