CIA admits to waterboarding

[evilbau]

After all the dancing around of 'we won't say if waterboarding is torture', the CIA director Michael Hayden admitted they have used waterboarding on 3 people.

I particularly love the timing, on Super Tuesday, when no one will notice. Gotta admit, no one is paying attention to it.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA director on Tuesday publicly named for the first time the three suspected al Qaeda detainees who were subjected to the harsh interrogation technique of waterboarding.

"It was used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It was used on Abu Zubayda, and it was used on [Abd al-Rahim] al-Nashiri," CIA Director Michael Hayden told a Senate hearing.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/05/terror ... newssearch

[archibaldcrane]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

[evilbau]

The other stuff he testified on is pretty interesting too. Pretty frankly states his opinions on Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and more.

[Venture]

I'm completely blindsided by this admittance, and had not suspected so in the least.

[Krye]

I don't want to get into another political debate with you guys



So I'm just going to go to sleep.

[Ramor]

I'm completely blindsided by this admittance, and had not suspected so in the least.

true story.

[Kael]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

[Neosutra]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

The soldiers and civilians that are in their country? (im not defending terrorist that kill americans, I want them dead too). But the United States of America DOES NOT tortue people, end of story. We lose all justifications we have to removing dictators and establishing our "democratic peace" if we violate all the principle foundations we stand for along the way. Not to mention the principle foundations the international community stands for.

Torture IS NOT justifiable by this nation. The officials responsible should be in prison.

[Atlasion]

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

Because two wrongs make a right!

This wouldn't undermine the whole justification of invading Iraq to end human rights violations at all.

[Doofus]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

The soldiers and civilians that are in their country? (im not defending terrorist that kill americans, I want them dead too). But the United States of America DOES NOT tortue people, end of story. We lose all justifications we have to removing dictators and establishing our "democratic peace" if we violate all the principle foundations we stand for along the way. Not to mention the principle foundations the international community stands for.

Torture IS NOT justifiable by this nation. The officials responsible should be in prison.

Yea, because if you had the opportunity to stop an attack or gain info about terrorists you wouldn't punch them in the face a few times when nobody was looking.
You honestly think there is a single country in the world that their spy agency doesn't torture people? What planet do you live on?

If not the spy agencies then they do it in public, like the ones that stone women to death in the town square but we still trade with them.
Get off your high horse and realize its how the world works.

Remember that little thing called the american revolution? The british and the rest of the world were appalled that we chose to hide and shoot officers with snipers instead of standing in straight lines and get slaughtered, today nobody stands in lines and shoots, that goes against all of the common sense that even a non-soldier has.

You do what needs to be done to win, If that involves waterboarding a few people who declared a holy war and have vowed to kill any american(or westerner) on site, then fuck yes i'm ok with that.

[Kael]

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

Because two wrongs make a right!

This wouldn't undermine the whole justification of invading Iraq to end human rights violations at all.

Uh, we had valid justification for invading Iraq? That's news to me.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should have been there to begin with. But since we're there and our troops and non-combatants are there risking their lives and dieing there. Then I do think we should do everything in our power to get intel out of the combatants who we do capture. It could and probably has saved lives.

It's unsavory, and no one has to like it but it's the reality of war. It's not like the CIA use it all the damn time anyway, it's not a reliable way to get information from someone anyway. They'll use it when they think it'll work, and that's fine by me.

[Rakiel]

Torture is NEVER a valid or reliable way to get information from people. People have a nasty habit of saying any kind of made-up shit to just make it stop.

[Amarok]

Apparently we consider it legal....wow.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... crosspromo

[Burginator]

Torture is NEVER a valid or reliable way to get information from people. People have a nasty habit of saying any kind of made-up shit to just make it stop.

Indeed. It's a last ditch effort to try and get *something* out of somebody. It's a coin toss whether it's reliable or not.

[Saphirea]

And it's against the Geneva conventions to fire a 50cal machine gun at a person... doesn't mean it doesn't happen

[Neosutra]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

They behead and do worse to our soldiers and civilians, do they or do they not? Fuck them.

The soldiers and civilians that are in their country? (im not defending terrorist that kill americans, I want them dead too). But the United States of America DOES NOT tortue people, end of story. We lose all justifications we have to removing dictators and establishing our "democratic peace" if we violate all the principle foundations we stand for along the way. Not to mention the principle foundations the international community stands for.

Torture IS NOT justifiable by this nation. The officials responsible should be in prison.

Yea, because if you had the opportunity to stop an attack or gain info about terrorists you wouldn't punch them in the face a few times when nobody was looking.
You honestly think there is a single country in the world that their spy agency doesn't torture people? What planet do you live on?

If not the spy agencies then they do it in public, like the ones that stone women to death in the town square but we still trade with them.
Get off your high horse and realize its how the world works.

Remember that little thing called the american revolution? The british and the rest of the world were appalled that we chose to hide and shoot officers with snipers instead of standing in straight lines and get slaughtered, today nobody stands in lines and shoots, that goes against all of the common sense that even a non-soldier has.

You do what needs to be done to win, If that involves waterboarding a few people who declared a holy war and have vowed to kill any american(or westerner) on site, then fuck yes i'm ok with that.

As stated above, torture is never a viable way to get information and only breeds more animosity and martrism against our country. It debases our values, it pisses on the flag, and it destroys our international image. Your worse than the dumbass terrorist dying for their religion/philosophy if you condone torture for any excuse.

Bullshit reasons pro torture morons use:
1. "ZOMG we need to get that information or people will die"
- Torture is a horrible way to extract information, IF the detainee even knows anything.
2. "They do the same to us!"
- So we are as bad as them?
- Is it not against the INTERNATIONAL community policy that WE helped to set up?
- Is your basis completly on juvenile revenge?

Every time it comes out that we tortured another detainee, 100 more martrs are made. Torturing people doesnt get us information, it doesnt help americans. Torturing people kills americans, debases our values, and pisses on the graves of every soldier that fought and died for this country's freedom/values.

[kuronosan]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

There shouldn't be, since terrorist countries do it and the UN doesn't do shit.

[sunb1ind]

So in the international community, is there any punishment for acknowledging that you've violated the Geneva Convention deliberately and repeatedly?

There shouldn't be, since terrorist countries do it and the UN doesn't do shit.

"We are fighting an enemy, an enemy we do not know."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PTiMKsTo-o&eurl

[Rakiel]

And it's against the Geneva conventions to fire a 50cal machine gun at a person... doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Countries hell-bent on doing it anyway (NATO) figured out how to get around that years ago, Saph...

"We don't fire .50cal weapons at people. We just fire at the equipment they wear."

[Neosutra]

And it's against the Geneva conventions to fire a 50cal machine gun at a person... doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Countries hell-bent on doing it anyway (NATO) figured out how to get around that years ago, Saph...

"We don't fire .50cal weapons at people. We just fire at the equipment they wear."

I tell my troops to fire at the enemies weapons, since most of them dont have "equipment". While I dont condone torture in ANY fasion, if someone if firing at me or my troops, I want them nuetralized as fast as possible with the assest I have available.

What really sux is white phosphorus tipped rounds...