Man/Joy War has questions on WS Gear (Earring + Body)

[Nameless]

I don't see why anyone would use Ohat over Adaman Celata on any ws really. Outside of Askar/Heca/Voyager and situationally unicorn I don't think there's any other headpiece that a war should be using for any WS.

Ares' Mask.
12 Attack 12 Acc

Maat's Cap
7 STR 7 DEX

Coven Hat or Genbu
+3%HP, +50HP [Spirit Within]

But you did want him to use Ohat instead of Adaman Celeta. Ares and Maat cap are harder to get. Adaman Celeta is more in line with Ohat in term of difficulty to obtain.

From my understanding, he does not have any +Axe merit, so I weight 5 Acc > 8 Atk. If his Axe is capped at 8, there you go Adaman C.

With 92.5% Acc rating and 20% Double Attack rating,
6 Hits Rampage = 21.36 ?, 5 Hits = 53.41 ? and 4 Hits = 19.59 ?

With 95% Acc rating and 20% Double Attack rating,
6 Hits Rampage = 24.55 ?, 5 Hits = 57.11 ? and 4 Hits = 14.02 ?

Notice the difference ? This is the "least" that he can get. If he manage to get 92.5% from 90%, the difference will be a lot more huge.

Yes, and that's if ws accuracy is the same way as regular hit accuracy. As a GS drk/sam fully merited, I hit about 85% on bird camp with about as much acc/haste stacked, and yet my WS misses about 1/30 times or sometimes I can even go through the whole merit without missing a ws. I know it is a one hit ws, but it shows you that ws accuracy are not calculated the same way as regular hit accuracy. And I actually stack on str without really bother with acc on my SS set.

I think from looking at his gears, 5 accuracy will have maybe a very minimal effect. He is likely capped. Note that even if you have a capped ws accuracy, at 95% accuracy you are only going to get 5+ hits 80% of the time. With aggressor he should be more than fine, and even without it I don't see that much of a problem to be quite honest.

[jojo1010]

Thanks for the great replies. You're correct in assuming I have no axe merits eva00r although I am considering putting the remaining merits into axe. I am considering finishing my sam though so I may finish up gkt merits .. but that's another story.

Definitely have changed my perspective on a bunch of things ... notably by informing me that the offhand only attks once during rampage .. that shuts down my suppa notion alone considering the assault earring would be great with the acc+2 attk 5. Thanks again everyone.

[Phraust]

Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy

Tested, re-tested, re-tested again confirmed.
E.Body War with Full Sword merits/axe merits, testing for the sake of arguement. Small increas in damage using Axe/Axe, and a noticeable difference noted in damage received do to lesser TP spam from mob. More Damage + Less MP use = win.

[Nameless]

How about axe/ridill vs axe/axe?

[moguri]

Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy

Tested, re-tested, re-tested again confirmed.
E.Body War with Full Sword merits/axe merits, testing for the sake of arguement. Small increas in damage using Axe/Axe, and a noticeable difference noted in damage received do to lesser TP spam from mob. More Damage + Less MP use = win.

really? can you link me to that test?

[Ferien]

Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy

Tested, re-tested, re-tested again confirmed.
E.Body War with Full Sword merits/axe merits, testing for the sake of arguement. Small increas in damage using Axe/Axe, and a noticeable difference noted in damage received do to lesser TP spam from mob. More Damage + Less MP use = win.

Considering pretty much everyone else has tested, re-tested, re-tested again, and confirmed that they're about dead even, and Axe/Joy comes out higher on Birds, I'd say you're wrong. Especially considering the OP doesn't claim to have any Axe merits.

As for the original question, I use, and would advise you to use as well, Brutal/Assault for Rampage. Also, Haub+1, always.

I use OHat over Adaman Celata for my Rampages as well. I have about the same amount of acc as the OP does in my setup, and without the Axe merits, you're only going to parse in the high 80s~low 90s, a range where the acc will still make a pretty big difference in your WS. Without a Heca Cap, Head is the best place to push your acc up.

[Starr]

Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy

Tested, re-tested, re-tested again confirmed.
E.Body War with Full Sword merits/axe merits, testing for the sake of arguement. Small increas in damage using Axe/Axe, and a noticeable difference noted in damage received do to lesser TP spam from mob. More Damage + Less MP use = win.

POIDH

(Parses or it didn't happen!)

[fantasticdan]

Just use great axe (or polearm on birds).

:hynotoad:

[Phraust]

Kinda got Egg on my face at the moment.... Looking for the post on the server forum but it looks like they have been archeived for some reason(it was a while ago) and I can't get to them. Going to ask the person wiht the original parses to give them to me. And as far as the "They were about dead even" you're right, "about", but not 'exactly'. The Axe/Axe still came out a little bit ahead all the while giving the mobs less TP, causeing less MP consumption.

On birds, Sure. But you aren't EXPing on Birds 100% of the time... So "overall" Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy...

And seriously, if you need to ask if Axe/Ridill is better than Axe/Axe...

[shaddix]

Just use great axe (or polearm on birds).

:hynotoad:

[Holsety]

he Axe/Axe still came out a little bit ahead all the while giving the mobs less TP, causeing less MP consumption.

On birds, Sure. But you aren't EXPing on Birds 100% of the time... So "overall" Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy...

Mob TP gain isn't really an issue in XP considering they don't live longer than 30 seconds. Its all a matter of preference, both shine in different situations. Personally, if I am fighting a regular/notHNM mob I use Axe/Joy, and if its anything high level/HNM I just use a Great Axe, which will do better than Axe/Axe in that situation anyway.

[Skeetaru]

Quick question - for all you axe / joy wars out there. With the following gear would you

a) Wear Suppa + Brutal for Rampage WS?
b) Wear Fowling + Brutal for Rampage WS?
c) Wear Triumph + Brutal Earrings for Rampage WS?
d) Haub+1 or Hecatbomb Harness for Body on WS?

8 Sword Merits for War. 5 Str Merits.

WS Gear:

Hand1: Maneater
Hand2: Joyeuse
Head: Voyager Sallet / O-Hat (Depending on mob)
Body: Hecatomb Harness / Haub +1
Hands: Heca Hands
Neck: Soil Gorget
Legs: B. Haidate
Feet: Heca Feet
Ammo: Bomb Armlet
Ring1: Triumph Ring
Ring2: Rajas Ring
Earring1: Brutal
Earring2: XXXXXX

Let me know what you think - thank you.

Suppa brutal for WS
haub+1 for rampage
ditch the soil gorget for a pcc
If you dont have access to N.head id say just stick with ohat for rampages, and if u ohat u can use str rings.

[Naphtali]

Anytime I parsed myself Axe/Axe would always parse higher than Axe/Joy. I prefer it anyway, lets me use 8 merits on another job..instead of WAR eating up 16 combat merits. Ridill another story obviously. Not to mention Joy kinda loses ground even more on high defense stuff..

[Talint]

Anytime I parsed myself Axe/Axe would always parse higher than Axe/Joy. I prefer it anyway, lets me use 8 merits on another job..instead of WAR eating up 16 combat merits. Ridill another story obviously. Not to mention Joy kinda loses ground even more on high defense stuff..

There's a lot of variables at stake when comparing Axex2 to Axe/Joy, the main thing coming to mind is appropriate gear and merits. Just like a Ridill, you can't expect a Joyeuse to magically work for you on WAR: you have to work to make it happen.

I've noticed much hatred for the Joyeuse lately, and I'm honestly left scratching my head and wondering why. It's not a Ridill, but it's still a pretty good weapon for those that know how to use it appropriately.

[Skeetaru]

The true answer is, get yourself a damned GA

[Nameless]

Kinda got Egg on my face at the moment.... Looking for the post on the server forum but it looks like they have been archeived for some reason(it was a while ago) and I can't get to them. Going to ask the person wiht the original parses to give them to me. And as far as the "They were about dead even" you're right, "about", but not 'exactly'. The Axe/Axe still came out a little bit ahead all the while giving the mobs less TP, causeing less MP consumption.

On birds, Sure. But you aren't EXPing on Birds 100% of the time... So "overall" Axe/Axe > Axe/Joy...

And seriously, if you need to ask if Axe/Ridill is better than Axe/Axe...

Well, the purpose of asking that is to make sure that you are not some axe/axe fanboy who is just gonna think axe/axe > any combo. So I go make sure that you are being realistic on your statement instead of being rational. After all, you didn't post parse or link to support your claim. You know there are forum trolls now a day right?

[LordMagnus]

Earrings: Brutal + Assault/Hollow/Minuet if you've got a BRD.
Body: Haubergeon/+1/Hecatomb/+1, it's really a coin-toss.

[Skeetaru]

Earrings: Brutal + Assault/Hollow/Minuet if you've got a BRD.
Body: Haubergeon/+1/Hecatomb/+1, it's really a coin-toss.

If you use Heca, or even Heca +1 body for rampage you should be raped by a Llama