solid, somewhat low-man Omega and Ultima strats

[Mojo]

Our group went today with the following set up.

PLD  SAM
PLD  SAM
RDM  RDM
WHM  WHM
BRD  BRD
BLM  BLM

Both of the SAM were /WAR. The SAMs saved 300% TP for the 19% > 0% zerg. We use the same strategy for approaching the zerg ~ waiting until the 19% Dissipation was used, then applying Soul Voice songs while making sure not to give it any TP until the countdown. Ideally, a SAM would want to pop Berserk and Sekkanoki about 10 seconds after Ultima readies Dissipation so they can immediately start spamming WS, and upon engaging do WS > WS > Meikyo Shisui > Meditate > WS > WS > WS > WS. One of our SAM was slow while the other was mega slow. The quicker one got off 5 WS before CB went off, which when added with the melee swings totaled 4409 damage. We got Ultima to 4% before it did Citadel Buster, then finished it off as usual. I think that if your SAMs were completely on the ball, it could be killed before the first CB with just 2 SAMs, possibly with a party of 6 (PLD SAM SAM RDM WHM BRD). We'll do it again with 12 and if we can get the ending perfected, we'll try with 6.

[Eldelphia]

Wanted to add a thank you for all the stuff in this thread. Although we didn't low man it in the end (peeps popped outta nowhere) a lot of the help and advice here made an enormous difference to our second run. (/cheer Clevan and Niamh for being a great tanking team)

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Necrombump

As my Limbus group nears its first Omega fight, and desperately low on people, I'm wondering if it's feasible to.... how should I say, Atonement spam Omega as a main source of damage?

When I say low on people, I'm talking 7 people if we're lucky for Omega.

The main problem I see with PLD being the main source of damage is of course Omega's ability to counter. If it weren't for this fact, I'm sure it could be done.

Just wanted ya'lls opinion on this.

[Massimo]

Necrombump

As my Limbus group nears its first Omega fight, and desperately low on people, I'm wondering if it's feasible to.... how should I say, Atonement spam Omega as a main source of damage?

When I say low on people, I'm talking 7 people if we're lucky for Omega.

The main problem I see with PLD being the main source of damage is of course Omega's ability to counter. If it weren't for this fact, I'm sure it could be done.

Just wanted ya'lls opinion on this.

Post a setup and possible jobs. PLD atonement sounds like a terrible, terrible idea.

[Thorny]

Necrombump

As my Limbus group nears its first Omega fight, and desperately low on people, I'm wondering if it's feasible to.... how should I say, Atonement spam Omega as a main source of damage?

When I say low on people, I'm talking 7 people if we're lucky for Omega.

The main problem I see with PLD being the main source of damage is of course Omega's ability to counter. If it weren't for this fact, I'm sure it could be done.

Just wanted ya'lls opinion on this.

Retarded. PLD damage is terrible on omega, mostly due to him alternating between PDT- and MDT-. I would recommend a setup such as:

DRK/NIN
DRK/NIN
BRD/WHM
BRD/WHM
RDM/DRK

BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM

DRKs tank nin/drk style with earth staffs disengage(use absorb-tp, it helps), at 26% you SV marches/mads and chainstun/souleater zerg. BLM damage from 2 competent BLMs takes it to 26% in 10-15 minutes(and since zerg is quick you should be nowhere near hurting for time).

[Mansin]

My group did this:

NIN/DRK
NIN/DRK
RDM/WHM
BRD/WHM (g horn)
BLM/NIN (gunpods)
BLM/???

BLM (bard dualboxing, terrible gear)
RDM/DRK


BRD hopped parties. We could have probably gone without the second red mage, but sometimes the CS stun at the end was helpful if a hate reset got off.

[Chojja]

Why do you need to CS stun if you have 2 tanks? Just stop nuking it, its TP regen isn't that intimidating. NIN/DRK should be holding LR and SE during last 25% anyway since theres now way the blms are going to pull hate off them without killing omega first.

[gilgam]

both can kill with 4 members.

Omega:
RDM/NIN
BRD/WHM
BLM/WHM
BLM/NIN

Ultima:
RDM/NIN
BLU/NIN
BRD/WHM
BLM/RDM

Omega~23mins,Ultima almost an hour lol.

[Thorny]

Omega I can see, going to have to see some proof on Ultima. Do you just zombie DoT the last 20% off?

[Chojja]

Hmmm, I'm not sure how you guarantee that the BLU is next up for citadel buster after the RDM loses all his hate to it. Easy enough for either one of them to survive, saline coat is a pretty substantial amount of MDB, but what happens after the second one hits? Chainspell with the RDM to get hate back? Seems youre last 20% is going to result in the BRD and the BLM dying at some point and then basically your damage dealing capability is severely hampered. I think it would actually play out worse than I'm even trying to picture it, so I agree, I'd have to see it.

[Wrish]

Saw this 6-person Omega demonstrating rdm/nin x 2 http://zoome.jp/yugami/diary/23 ... looking for a good Ultima video.

[Tricen]

Why do you need to CS stun if you have 2 tanks? Just stop nuking it, its TP regen isn't that intimidating. NIN/DRK should be holding LR and SE during last 25% anyway since theres now way the blms are going to pull hate off them without killing omega first.

We only chain nuked if back2back pile pitches/CB's happened and he turned to rape face. I think it only happened about once out of 6 or 7 times.

[Chojja]

But with that setup, you dont have melee feeding him TP nonstop, if he colossal blows one of the NIN's, you just stop nuking. His regain effect is mediocre enough that SE/LR and 2 cycles of spells or so should put you back up above the mages, just not above the other NIN. By the time it has TP again, the 2nd NIN should be safely ahead of your mages again. /shrug

[Wrish]

Colossal blow is about reaction time; you can outrun it especially if you don't tank standing way too close.

Couldn't find good Ultima video... but then I realized we are not trying to set them up for Ultima. Despite knowing Gilgam's group would have to be dressed to the nines I'd still like to see their 4-man Ultima video.

[gilgam]

Ultima videos
1of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665563
2of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665976
it's japanese site.

[Chojja]

Gonna have to help me out here, none of the squiggles I click on result in a video being played.

[stewie]

You have to be signed up there for them to play any videos for you, I believe.

[stewie]

Ultima videos
1of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665563
2of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665976
it's japanese site.

I cannot tell from the videos, Gjallarhorn I'm assuming though?

[Secksi]

Took me forever to sign up using google translations to find out what everything wanted, anyway... It's hard to make out but I'm relatively certain he's only getting 3/tick back from ballads.

[stewie]

Took me forever to sign up using google translations to find out what everything wanted, anyway... It's hard to make out but I'm relatively certain he's only getting 3/tick back from ballads.

http://moemania.org/internet-story/h...n-nicovideojp/