solid, somewhat low-man Omega and Ultima strats

[Secksi]

Useful 20 minutes ago, but I am watching now =\ thanks though.

[stewie]

Ultima videos
1of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665563
2of2
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8665976
it's japanese site.

I cannot read JP, but, was that double head that dropped?...

[drwaffles]

Very close... they got lucky there, especially right at the end. Impressive, nonetheless, although it wasn't executed perfectly.

[Shamaya]

This has probably already been said in the thread, but I wouldn't recommend any melee DD's. There's no point.

2-3 Nin/Drk's and 2-3 Blms take it down just fine. Pld/Nin in today's atonement world should be able to do the same.

Base setup,
Tank party
Pld or Nin 2x
Whm
Rdm
Brd

Blm PT
Blm/Nin 2x

Have won w/ this setup b4. Pretty sure we could have done it w/ six too (Nin/Drk days). But this is a leet I suppose. Make sure that if you are going low man with more than one party, proper bard swapping is done.

[Shinryuu]

DRK/NIN is so much better than NIN/DRK on Omega. DRK/NIN can Absorb-TP for absolutely zero TP moves (decent hate spell too) and it can SEBW last 25%.

[charlo]

Great guides.
Just on Kaeko's omega guide mentions rear lasers pertrify and no whm access.
Sch does get stona in add:white.

[Nevex]

DRK/NIN is so much better than NIN/DRK on Omega. DRK/NIN can Absorb-TP for absolutely zero TP moves (decent hate spell too) and it can SEBW last 25%.

Absorb-TP doesn't work that way.
Affected mobs can still use TP moves, they'll just be weaker when applicable because TP will be less than 100%.

[Thorny]

Absorb-TP doesn't work that way.
Affected mobs can still use TP moves, they'll just be weaker when applicable because TP will be less than 100%.

Funny, I'm the person who suggested this strategy and in his linkshell. We have gone entire omegas/ultimas without TP(barring the last 20/25% where omega spams and ultima CBs). While it is correct that absorb-tp has a cap of half the mob's current tp, with 2 DRKs using it as part of their hate spell rotation neither Omega nor Ultima will get a tp move off until 25% and 20%, respectively. This is using BLM damage only though, if you add a bunch of melee it won't keep up as well.

[Wrish]

Wow, one of the more exciting videos I've seen. Very good source, Gilgam. ^^

Saw RDM/NIN and BLU/NIN bouncing hate. BLU was casting fire and ice breath for 500 to near 700 with few resists, disseverment for the added poison, BLM/WHM topping it off with Bio II and elementals plus periodic nukes (which did much less than breaths).

When Ultima did the stun move, BLM and BRD just cured through that; Ultima did not hit very fast because of double slow. Twice Ultima used mana screen; tanking got a little hairy then, but otherwise looked really easy with the double stun (Stun + Temporal Shift).

Lucky with the low amount of magic shield and the small BLM zerg near the end... but a very good performance considering the moderate gear and meds (hello reraisers? ).

All 4 used pescatora. Was nearly in disbelief that taru BLU had 16xx HP.

[Chojja]

Absorb-TP doesn't work that way.
Affected mobs can still use TP moves, they'll just be weaker when applicable because TP will be less than 100%.

We've used DRK/NIN's for about a year and a half now and havent seen an ultima TP move in that time.

[Wulfgang]

We've used DRK/NIN's for about a year and a half now and havent seen an ultima TP move in that time.

I was under the impression Dissipation was a constant at the set intervals regardless of Ultima's TP. Obviously it should be stunned, but your comment implies it never was used.

[Thorny]

I was under the impression Dissipation was a constant at the set intervals regardless of Ultima's TP.

then how the fuck is it a 'tp move'

jesus christ, kill yourself

[Aquilo86]

then how the fuck is it a 'tp move'

jesus christ, kill yourself

lol

[Chojja]

I was under the impression Dissipation was a constant at the set intervals regardless of Ultima's TP. Obviously it should be stunned, but your comment implies it never was used.

Doesn't require TP to be used, doesn't reset its TP after it is used. Therefore, not tp move. >.>

[Snprphnx]

I believe Omega is immune to Bind and Gravity. A lot of LSs used to kite it and I never once heard of Bind or Gravity being used so I just assumed they don't work.

not sure about gravity, but i know he is completely immune to all forms of bind, including Shadowbind

[Shinryuu]

Insert screenshot with "Bind defeats Proto-Omega" here.

[Nicholette]

Last 20% - CB Phase

Make sure all melees have a full 300TP and an Icarus Wing at this point - use Sleeping Pots. I cannot stress how dangerous this phase is so you want to make sure you have every possible preparation. Ultima has no regen so you don't have to worry about lowering its HP to 21% and sitting on it, then it regening. Slowly nuke its HP down with 1 or maybe 2 BLMs when you get close and stop at 20-21%. Take it slowly! The gank will require that you do 10,000HP.

When you want to begin, I suggest having your melee come in from the flank for better spacing. Make sure the PLD has his JAs ready - Sentinel, Fealty, Rampart. BRD needs to switch to Melee PT for soulvoice melee songs.

When you're ready, have all 4 BLMs time nuke a Freeze II - when this hits, it'll alone do about 2,000HP, or 1/5th of what you need. Have the other stunners like RDM/DRK and DRK stand off to the side to stun Dissapation. Once the Dissapation is stunned (or even if it gets through), your gank officially begins and it'll be around 17% or better. From here, I'll go over all the individual duties for jobs to make things more clear on what I propose you do.

PLD: Pop Sentinel but SAVE Invincible. You need to have hate when CB starts. If you truly cannot get hate when CB countdown starts, THEN pop Invincible. If you don't need it, don't use it. Once you are sure you have hate after the countdown starts, use Rampart! This will pretty much ensure your survival of CB assuming you have reasonble MDB gear as well and full HP. After CB hits, use Utsu:Ni ASAP! It will Holy II after.

NIN: Stop using hate moves to make it easier for the PLD to get hate. The reasoning behind this is to make it more clear and decisive who has hate in this phase. Once it is clear you do not have hate, run back and stand about 25' from the PLD. You need to be out of CB range (20' from target the PLD), but the closest person to Ultima other than the target.

BLM: Free nuke your strongest nukes. There is really no need to 2hr here in my opinion since you should have started with full MP. If you see Mana Screen, call it out and obviously stop nuking to save MP if you can. I'd expect the BLMs to at least get off that initial volley then another 1 each for 4,000 damage before any shields go up (it won't have TP yet).

During the phase where you hold it at 21% you could have your ninja and paladin equip sword and TP to 300% and any other DD's except 1 SAM do so as well. The SAM with GK and TP could solo skillchain, the BLM's could MB that skillchain and as all of that is landing the Tanks and DD's can drop 300TP spirits within. This would probably take a significantly bigger chunk out of its HP to start the gank. Just an idea to add to this that could possibly help.