[Ifrit] Giglamesh

[Sefier]

oooooooooooo pick me wopa!!! plz

[Ramsos]

By all means take giglamesh into your linkshell wopa. He doesnt need much for his pld besides items he couldnt leech from us since we dont do the events. Take him with "open arms" and throw him all the gear he wants, thats his goal in life I guess. Just remember that he isnt there to help your linkshell, hes there only for himself. Im sure you have enough members that this isnt a problem seeing as you area wildly successful linkshell. You have room to take in assholes like giglamesh just to spite people you dont even know I guess.

[Sev]

We can sum this up easy:

Giglamesh left with speed belt. Ls rules said they wanted to keep it cuz they put in 15 min of work. Giglamesh was like "Oh noz bitches my belt Muwhahahaha"

Deci: =o! "No fair he stole the speed belt and got other gear from us, Oh noz he also rmt'd"

Ifrit: Your linkshell allowed people to rmt, even encouraged people to RMT.

Deci: Not the point and ehhh AFK TRIP!

Ifrit: Lol @ your ls rules

Ram: But those are the rulez

Gigla: Muwhahaha

Ifrit: Lol Spqr

Ram: But he got a bunch of gear!

Wop: Ill take him

Ram: /Sandy vag he has all the gear but what he couldn't leach!

Sums it up about right?

Simple thing is he didn't give you warning about leaving, but shit happens.
The gear he has outside the speedbelt, he worked for so you can stop about that.
Most people have read the spqr rules on the post and its nothing more then a joke, so sadly your not gonna get sympothy from BG.
LS rule are ls rules and he should have followed them, but your rules fail hard.

[Valisk]

To add to the summary, so you guys use KS99s to get your MNKs BB items and to get your LINKSHELL (BANK) Speed Belts/Juggernauts at the expense of an individual's seals. So who is using who here?

What do the members get if you fail the BC? It's a lose lose situation for them. They are risking their seals for 1 out of 4 possible outcomes:

a) Get shitty drops and walk away with 100k
b) Get Speed Belt/Jugg only to have it "confiscated by the LS"
c) Get Wyrm Beard
d) Failed BC

So 9 times out of 10 (or 21/22 in your case), the orb holder get's shafted unless he is a MNK (in which case his chances of getting shafted decrease from 90% to 85%). So does anyone besides MNKs even attempt this BC for your LS?

[Ramsos]

I tried to be nice to you sev, I really did. But I am starting to see why you are disliked by the majority of ifrit server. You are a dumbfuck on a keston level who does nothing but post useless shit to get people angry.

First of all your "Ifrit" character is only people from LM17(or atariii) who are biased against us from the very beginning. The only person who posted from ifrit whos opinion actually matters seemed like they supported our claim that giglamesh is backstabbing scum.

Second of all you know nothing of the situation, you jumped servers to get away from the nonsense like this that happens all the time on ifrit. Why are you even posting here when you have no information on the subject. Your posts are inflamatory and only cause more problems. You are here to cloud the facts by making a joke of the situation.

We know full well that our rules for KS99 were stupid, but they were our rules and people who did not like them could take their seals elseware. Much like keston you have no right to question how a successful linkshell is run. You were kicked out of or left before you were kicked from just about every linkshell on ifrit. You jumped servers, got some gear, got kicked from linkshell, and for god knows what reason came back to ifrit. You have no place to criticize how anyone runs a linkshell especially one that has been successful for around 2 years. I can see why you sympathize with giglamesh because you are just like him. you have the "get in, get what I can, get out" mentality. You dont know what the meaning of the word "teamwork" is.

*waits for the childish dictionary referance for the word teamwork*

[Ramsos]

Hes not "shafted" if he gets speedbelt or juggy. Orb holder got 75% of the cost when it was sold off. In the rare instance of a wipe or shit drops (under 1 mil) the orb holder was paid 500k. In the case of blackbelt piece dropping but nothing else worthwhile we paid the orb user the price of a behemoth hide. This was back when prices were still high so it was common to get a couple mil from a KS99. We did away with all of this and only do the 25% thing with speedbelt just because we dont want another giglamesh occurance.

And yes, rules were in place to benefit the LINKSHELL over the INDIVIDUAL. In SPQR we follow the principle of linkshell > individuals. Thats why lootwhores dont last long here.

To answer your final question valisk, I personally have put up 6 orbs for KS99 and my monk is level 35 with no intention of going any higher than 37(if they ever make /mnk good for something).

[Ashira]

And yes, rules were in place to benefit the LINKSHELL over the INDIVIDUAL. In SPQR we follow the principle of linkshell > individuals. Thats why lootwhores dont last long here.

It's a nice concept but what ends up happening is 5-6 people get everything, and 3-4 more people get extras, and 4-8 more people get scraps, and 8-10 people get absolute poop for it. So then they start getting sullen and not wanting to participate, and then that makes it worse because then it looks like they have a shitty attitude and then they are further pushed down the list for items.

Our linkshell is linkshell = individuals. We use points, so what, and sometimes our rules are a little wonky and change event to event which can get confusing, but things end up happening in a fairly decent order (it's skewed to JPs obviously as it is a JP shell, we can't help that we as NAs only make up like 8% of the shell and that there are events that just fall out of our time frame).

More to the point, when it comes to KS99, it's your orb, your drops. Period. Only other stipulation is that those members helping who do not use orbs of their own get a pay off by each orb holder, usually around 100-150k total paid out by each orb holder, to be split among the helpers.

[Sev]

I tried to be nice to you sev, I really did. But I am starting to see why you are disliked by the majority of ifrit server. You are a dumbfuck on a keston level who does nothing but post useless shit to get people angry.

First of all your "Ifrit" character is only people from LM17(or atariii) who are biased against us from the very beginning. The only person who posted from ifrit whos opinion actually matters seemed like they supported our claim that giglamesh is backstabbing scum.

Second of all you know nothing of the situation, you jumped servers to get away from the nonsense like this that happens all the time on ifrit. Why are you even posting here when you have no information on the subject. Your posts are inflamatory and only cause more problems. You are here to cloud the facts by making a joke of the situation.

We know full well that our rules for KS99 were stupid, but they were our rules and people who did not like them could take their seals elseware. Much like keston you have no right to question how a successful linkshell is run. You were kicked out of or left before you were kicked from just about every linkshell on ifrit. You jumped servers, got some gear, got kicked from linkshell, and for god knows what reason came back to ifrit. You have no place to criticize how anyone runs a linkshell especially one that has been successful for around 2 years. I can see why you sympathize with giglamesh because you are just like him. you have the "get in, get what I can, get out" mentality. You dont know what the meaning of the word "teamwork".

*waits for the childish dictionary referance for the word teamwork*

I lol'd hard on this. Learn 2 spot sarcasim. I said he should have followed your rules but it didn't matter because there is enough Linkshells out there that would take him in even with this. The fact is you are trying to make it a point that he didn't deserve any of his gear but you all awarded it to him anyways. He earned all the gear according to your rules but the belt. You have been throwing shots about that because you are mad not because he didn't earn it.

It is kinda of a joke situation that your linkshell leader tried to pull a RMT card, just because of spqr's heavy involvement with rmt. Not as a linkshell but as individuals, and he was the one that said it was fine. That is a fact and that is where alot of the ifrit people not giving a fuck about spqr getting burned comes from.

Sadly no one can be on keston's level (;_ ill try for you tho.

My ifrit character was based off the people from ifrit who posted here, which happen to be hmmm lm17 and valisk. So if it was to come off as lm17 there is probably a reason wouldn't you think?

I have information on how giglamesh was with his friends, he was a good guy who helped out alot. Stealing the speed belt and him rmting were his only bad things, like some said they wouldn't care if he did.

I agree with the fact he shouldn't have wasted his seals so to say on that rule set, and again i agreed he shouldn't have jacked the belt but there is nothing that your gonna accomplish by this. If he moved there is a good chance it was to get into a linkshell there or make one. No linkshell posted a bc so this was just trying to air shit out in the wrong section.

Trying to say you know me or that spqr is some powerhouse linkshell, that is so successful we have no right to speak, well maybe keston doesn't. I have been in a linkshell that accomplishes more in a week then spqr does in a year. If you wanna throw epeens around by all day and both look like fucking idiots. And about that linkshell like i had said when asked before I wouldn't have left the linkshell if i didn't get kicked, my play time dropped to study for a final, they took it as I was only showing up to certain events, I left for my final and got kicked. Personally I have never had issues with you or the majority of people in spqr, only have had issues with Deci for running his mouth and not even having the right info.

So good luck to giglamesh in w/e he does because he is a good guy who made 2 mistakes, and good luck to spqr.

[Ramsos]

We kind of have the problem that you stated because some members simply have more free time/dedication than others. In all honesty, its not fair to the 5-6 people who are at 95% of everything to give up what they have worked for to the (insert number here) of people who come to one or two events a week/month. Its also not fair to penalize the people who have real life obligations who cant play as much just because they arent around. Its a connundrum. We try to get items to our I guess you would say "lower tier" members but it never satisfies.

A point based system like you have is probably the most logical choice. We just dont feel like it would work for us because a select few members would have SO many more points than eveyone else that it would just look bad. I mean if we had a point based system before giglamesh pulled this shit he would have walked away with nothing but the stolen speedbelt. Sure he was around for alot of events but not anywhere close to our core people.

[Ramsos]

Sev just go away, I dont feel like fighting with you further seeing as it will bring us both closer to kestons level(if thats possible). I put my case out there and you disagree. We both have valid points and let that be the end of it.

[Valisk]

More to the point, when it comes to KS99, it's your orb, your drops. Period. Only other stipulation is that those members helping who do not use orbs of their own get a pay off by each orb holder, usually around 100-150k total paid out by each orb holder, to be split among the helpers.

My old LS did YOYD also. There was no need to pay members to help because they were either going to get help on their orb in future or got help on their orb in the past. Also it was to help the orb person get gil to gear themselves which helped the LS or fund a craft which in the long run helps the LS. Either way, majority of the gil generated from KS99 events help the LS whether it was directly or indirectly.

LSs are entitled to make rules however the see fit, but SPQRs KS99 Rule is by far the most bizarre, unfair rule that I've heard IMO. This thread was suppose to show how Giglmesh obtained his Speed Belt and I suggest Pandy members to use their own personal discretion when deciding whether he actually stole it or not. I personally dont think he did. Regardless of the rule in place, it's interpretation is up to the LSs on Pandy. Just like if someone was to "commit a crime" in one state. Another state might not recognize it as a crime (i.e. gambling, prostitution, sagging pants, farting in public, etc.).

[Hoga]

I tried to be nice to you sev, I really did. But I am starting to see why you are disliked by the majority of ifrit server. You are a dumbfuck on a keston level who does nothing but post useless shit to get people angry.

First of all your "Ifrit" character is only people from LM17(or atariii) who are biased against us from the very beginning. The only person who posted from ifrit whos opinion actually matters seemed like they supported our claim that giglamesh is backstabbing scum.

Second of all you know nothing of the situation, you jumped servers to get away from the nonsense like this that happens all the time on ifrit. Why are you even posting here when you have no information on the subject. Your posts are inflamatory and only cause more problems. You are here to cloud the facts by making a joke of the situation.

We know full well that our rules for KS99 were stupid, but they were our rules and people who did not like them could take their seals elseware. Much like keston you have no right to question how a successful linkshell is run. You were kicked out of or left before you were kicked from just about every linkshell on ifrit. You jumped servers, got some gear, got kicked from linkshell, and for god knows what reason came back to ifrit. You have no place to criticize how anyone runs a linkshell especially one that has been successful for around 2 years. I can see why you sympathize with giglamesh because you are just like him. you have the "get in, get what I can, get out" mentality. You dont know what the meaning of the word "teamwork" is.

*waits for the childish dictionary referance for the word teamwork*

I agree, I'm not known but after reading what this Sev guy said. Is this what I'm coming back to complete incompetent idiots ?

[Khalil]

That is the essence of my posts, if he did not like the rules he did not have to go with us. The rules were in place to benefit the linkshell more than the individual.

The main point that any linkshell on pandemonium should get out of this is that giglamesh plays by no rules. He will act like a loyal member and follow all the rules. But when he sees an opportunity he will just act like the rules do not apply. Regardless of if you agree with our rules for KS99 or not, he cannot be trusted to honor any agreement.

As much as I hate their rules, Ramsos has a point. He joined the LS in question knowing the rules and had to abide it if he wanted in. Once he got in, he follows the rules. If you think their rules are shit, don't join them, it's quite simple.

I'm pretty sure you guys took in Cem, who stole gaiters and other items. '.'/

How have ya been tho khalil.

Best to get your facts straight, Sev, before opening your mouth. He's not in my LS.

[mrinv]

lol this thread is 90% of the reason I don't play anymore. Ifrit is just consumed by morons. I don't believe I know Sev or maybe his name is just differant on here but I will say that so far his posts are alot more agreeable with than yours Ramsos.

For your own good you need to drop this. Decimus is the biggest joke ever and bringing up Gig rmting is just roflcopterworthy. You are just going to make yourself look bad by trying to defend him and the joke of Linkshell rules you guys have. Now I'm not saying gig was right to take off with the belt but the rules in general are so laugable there's just no other word for it, and was obviously the result of a paranoid LS leader that has been fucked over so many times that he rather nobody get anything of value then risk getting someone taking off with one which anyone will tell you is an awesome way to run a LS. You would think after 3(4)? years of failing as a LS leader he would give it up.

I understand your point of view and why you are angry but you are wrong, it's just as simple as that. Basically your KS99s do nothing but waste your LS members time, seals, and cause drama. Oh I'm sorry and gets your monks those rare black belt items. Everyone knows seals are used to make money nowadays as besides HNM and crafting it's pretty much the only way. So to expect a member who I assume was at least fairly dedicated to the LS to give up his speed belt that dropped off his orb of the seals that he farmed well lets just say I would do the same thing in his situation. I would have kept the belt and if people wanted to give me shit about it I would have also left.

PS: Comparing anyone to Keston is just wrong. I've never seen a person who makes every single post contain so many letters and words that combine to make a big pile of nonsense every single time. THA SUPVANOVA GOES POPPPPPPPPPP

[Sev]

That is the essence of my posts, if he did not like the rules he did not have to go with us. The rules were in place to benefit the linkshell more than the individual.

The main point that any linkshell on pandemonium should get out of this is that giglamesh plays by no rules. He will act like a loyal member and follow all the rules. But when he sees an opportunity he will just act like the rules do not apply. Regardless of if you agree with our rules for KS99 or not, he cannot be trusted to honor any agreement.

As much as I hate their rules, Ramsos has a point. He joined the LS in question knowing the rules and had to abide it if he wanted in. Once he got in, he follows the rules. If you think their rules are shit, don't join them, it's quite simple.

I'm pretty sure you guys took in Cem, who stole gaiters and other items. '.'/

How have ya been tho khalil.

Best to get your facts straight, Sev, before opening your mouth. He's not in my LS.

My apologies then Kahlil, I was told he ran to your linkshell. Sorry for the misunderstanding, side note how have ya been?

[Keston]

PS: Comparing anyone to Keston is just wrong. I've never seen a person who makes every single post contain so many letters and words that combine to make a big pile of nonsense every single time.

You know, you kind of come across as retarded when you say this but basically re-iterate and concur with the content of my post in the same breath. But who am I to point that out, obviously someone who never makes any sense. Doh. So amusing how so many of you jokers are so hell bent on disagreeing with what I say, that you run yourself in such a circle.

[Ramsos]

Disregarding everything about how bad our KS99 rules were back then, the point of this whole topic was not to try to justify those rules which we have since changed. The point was that giglamesh agreed with the rules and decided at a later date when it best suited him to just take the speedbelt and run. He was planning on starting his own linkshell for weeks before leaving, he even tried to recruit some of our members while still inside. After he left he gave a bullshit excuse of "oh I havent been happy for awhile" without even trying to work out anything. He even had us camp fucking Roc for his whore Greyenigma for the stupid staff. Within hours of the staff dropping they were both off in their new linkshell. There is no other way to explain this other than he backstabbed us and has no sense of gratitude for people who got him to where he is today.

I would have to agree that Decimus is very paranoid, but with the bullshit that happens on the ifrit server you kind of have to be. Giglamesh is just one example of something that has happened multiple times.

[Khalil]

That is the essence of my posts, if he did not like the rules he did not have to go with us. The rules were in place to benefit the linkshell more than the individual.

The main point that any linkshell on pandemonium should get out of this is that giglamesh plays by no rules. He will act like a loyal member and follow all the rules. But when he sees an opportunity he will just act like the rules do not apply. Regardless of if you agree with our rules for KS99 or not, he cannot be trusted to honor any agreement.

As much as I hate their rules, Ramsos has a point. He joined the LS in question knowing the rules and had to abide it if he wanted in. Once he got in, he follows the rules. If you think their rules are shit, don't join them, it's quite simple.

I'm pretty sure you guys took in Cem, who stole gaiters and other items. '.'/

How have ya been tho khalil.

Best to get your facts straight, Sev, before opening your mouth. He's not in my LS.

My apologies then Kahlil, I was told he ran to your linkshell. Sorry for the misunderstanding, side note how have ya been?

I'm good.

[mrinv]

Disregarding everything about how bad our KS99 rules were back then, the point of this whole topic was not to try to justify those rules which we have since changed. The point was that giglamesh agreed with the rules and decided at a later date when it best suited him to just take the speedbelt and run. He was planning on starting his own linkshell for weeks before leaving, he even tried to recruit some of our members while still inside. After he left he gave a bullshit excuse of "oh I havent been happy for awhile" without even trying to work out anything. He even had us camp fucking Roc for his whore Greyenigma for the stupid staff. Within hours of the staff dropping they were both off in their new linkshell. There is no other way to explain this other than he backstabbed us and has no sense of gratitude for people who got him to where he is today.

I would have to agree that Decimus is very paranoid, but with the bullshit that happens on the ifrit server you kind of have to be. Giglamesh is just one example of something that has happened multiple times.

Like I said I do understand where you're coming from as I have run/been in many LS with people who leave after getting loot which honestly combined with the introduction of server transfers greatly contributed to me not enjoying the game anymore as the personalities of people have diminished and there true colors start showing more and more peoples ability to rob a bank, take the money and run away to a different country, change there name and get a new SS#. As I said I would just advise you to try and let this one go. You're attempting to convince the general ffxi public that Gig fucked over your LS by taking the loot from his own KS99 orb purchased from the kindred seals he farmed. That's a hard enough sell without Decimus coming in and talking about him running with lolrmtirony and then going on vacation with no internet available. I don't really think any LS is not gonna take him because of this and I don't see him giving the belt back especially with the way this all went down so unfortunately I don't see you gaining anything else out of this. I don't think you're a bad person I think youre a person who has been fucked over before and is stuck in a LS prone to it with a leader who attracts it, that is why I'm saying this. I wish you luck in the future.

[Navyr]

I'm sorry i only skimmed this thread but i love how keston still has to be all up in ifrit i think he misses being on the server where 90% of the people hate his guts.

as for giglamesh i can't say i care, the loot rules of the LS are only a fraction of why i dropped my pearl, my playtime is the worst possible time for the LS and I'd never see any gear unless its a rot when im around.

and who cares about SPQR members doing sky with RMT? they all seem to have proven they were worthless douchebags anyway i'd say etoker, Guido, and Giglamesh could rank right up there with all the Atariii/LM17 members for the title of FFXI's biggest losers

Fuck RMT
Fuck LM17 bot losers
and most importantly Fuck Keston, are you still trying to score browning points to get into BG?