salvage 35 body setup

[barber2006]

Our ls just doesn't have time to do salvage. We already have events 6 nights a week with most of those nights having 2 events or more. However, a few of us are quite interested in salvage gear. We know we have to temper our expectations, as there are groups that go 4+ times a week and still havent completed sets over the course of a year. A handful of us have talked and decided that if we could just get one body piece each, that would be a good goal. We have no doubt that we could get LS support for the 25 pieces. What we are interested in are setups for the 35s. We have tremendous job flexibility, with most of us having mage, tank, DD, and support jobs in at least one form.

Could a group of 4-5 people succesfully farm 35 body pieces?

morrigans-I've done this solo, I reckon having a team could only help.


marduk- is the charm just too much to overcome with a group of 4-5 people? Would we be able to dent his regen while we are charmed with that few people? Could we successfully clear 3 people of pathos with only 4-5 farming cells? Worth killing w/o a thf?

Ares- Other than the reported 3%ish droprate, is there anything special about this NM we should worry about? Would it be recommended to bring a 65 THf over a 75 job?

[Wizerd]

Our ls just doesn't have time to do salvage. We already have events 6 nights a week with most of those nights having 2 events or more. However, a few of us are quite interested in salvage gear. We know we have to temper our expectations, as there are groups that go 4+ times a week and still havent completed sets over the course of a year. A handful of us have talked and decided that if we could just get one body piece each, that would be a good goal. We have no doubt that we could get LS support for the 25 pieces. What we are interested in are setups for the 35s. We have tremendous job flexibility, with most of us having mage, tank, DD, and support jobs in at least one form.

Could a group of 4-5 people succesfully farm 35 body pieces?

Easily, if you're looking for Ares's, Morrigan's, or Marduk's. Usukane would be a little harder, but doable. I wouldn't even try Skadi's without at least 6.

morrigans-I've done this solo, I reckon having a team could only help.

Having a team would possibly let you do 6F ones as well, the extra 2, if you're good. There's no reason 5 people can't clear the floor in 7min given correct jobs and good gear.

marduk- is the charm just too much to overcome with a group of 4-5 people? Would we be able to dent his regen while we are charmed with that few people? Could we successfully clear 3 people of pathos with only 4-5 farming cells? Worth killing w/o a thf?

The madames don't have "regen" per say. They will regen if left unclaimed without aggro on anyone, with no DOTs on. If you avoid entry on Lightsday, charm is very easily dealt with by refreshing Requiem VI every time it's up. It lasts a good while, even though the madames are light based, so it's a good failsafe for charm. Stack other DOTs on top of it just in case. You can avoid charm using stun weapon skills or abilities (such as Weapon Bash), or having someone out of 20' range ready to kite. Charm lasts exactly 1 minute.

You can clear 3 people of pathos and get to and kill both 5FN and 6F with 4 people, I would say MNK THF RDM BRD. Add an additional DD on top of that, and then a WHM, COR, or BLM on top of that if you get 6.

Not worth killing without a THF, imo. But to each their own. THF is a powerful DD if you play it right, everyone knows that. Just make sure you're not just "settling" for THF - they have to be good. Otherwise they are just a TH4 whore.

Ares- Other than the reported 3%ish droprate, is there anything special about this NM we should worry about? Would it be recommended to bring a 65 THf over a 75 job?

THF isn't as important DD-wise in this zone, but I'd still reccomend lv75 if you can get it. Just don't let the NM warp. Easily done with the same 4 as above. Pop Hundred Fists or Chainspell on the first QQA if you're worried or fail the first time. Clear a path for QQA to run on the second one, lots of room.

It doesn't sound like you're interested in Skadi or Usukane bodies. Which is probably for the best.

[Tulun]

Party of 6 can farm any 35 NM, just gotta get good at it.

I'm sure you could skimp it to 4-5 if you want.
For 5, I'd take 2 good DD/NIN (or I suppose if they are good, sam/war), RDM, THF, BRD. I'm sure you could trade out certain things, but as long as you have a good RDM and 1-2 good DD's, you should be able to get things done.

It partially depends on the NM on how difficult it will be, and how good you are at adapting to their abilities. Low manning may also not allow you to have much stunning, which can be a big problem.

[skurlover]

IIRC, you need 6 to start entry into Salvage. You can have 5 of them use the DC trick to get yourself in solo or any combination of people thereafter, but I would just recommend getting a static of 6 together. 6 is more than enough to accomplish most Salvage related things.

Minus a cell screwup last night, we had planned 1st,2nd,5th, and 6th frogs in Zhayolm last night (and would have had plently of time). Last nights group was MNKx2, THF,BRD,RDM,WHM.

[Wizerd]

Low manning may also not allow you to have much stunning, which can be a big problem.

Only for Psycheflayer / Deviate Bhoot, really.

[Lordwafik]

I'd say also for madames, since we have our melees sit on TP for WS stun Frog Chorus. We argued which would be a quicker kill amongst ourselves and just decided it's for the best if it was this way, less time being a frog = more time of the frog dying.

[fuergrissa]

While you can probly kill any mob with 5 people you wont likely get any full clears, sounds like your okay with that though. It also depends entirely on your group. 5 Focused people who play at thier level and have good gear should have no problem if you pay attention to strats, however many groups with more than enough firepower fail for not really being up to par on an individual level. I think you will likely have the most trouble with the usu body or Skadi if you are going after either of those. The gear train and the sac pull for the 4 ramparts could be very tough on a small group. On the plus side targeting mobs means you can get there with plenty of time left. Just remember you will likely find you need to adjust many of the accepted strats to fit your group as a lot of them are made for groups with a few extra people.

[Lilswitche]

Pertaining to the 35 skadi body piece. You mentioned your ls would help with the bosses. When they do help, this would probably be your best chance at the 35 body if you only had 5 people entering most of the time. On a Long-Bowed run, you could take the time to kill the gears, and farm up the 4F rampart a bit while trying to get the 25 Morrigan and Ares bodies.

[barber2006]

I'd say also for madames, since we have our melees sit on TP for WS stun Frog Chorus. We argued which would be a quicker kill amongst ourselves and just decided it's for the best if it was this way, less time being a frog = more time of the frog dying.

Does this reset TP? Or will they just use it again shortly thereafter? This may be the route we go depending on the job setups we use.

The madames don't have "regen" per say. They will regen if left unclaimed without aggro on anyone, with no DOTs on. If you avoid entry on Lightsday, charm is very easily dealt with by refreshing Requiem VI every time it's up. It lasts a good while, even though the madames are light based, so it's a good failsafe for charm. Stack other DOTs on top of it just in case. You can avoid charm using stun weapon skills or abilities (such as Weapon Bash), or having someone out of 20' range ready to kite. Charm lasts exactly 1 minute.

You can clear 3 people of pathos and get to and kill both 5FN and 6F with 4 people, I would say MNK THF RDM BRD. Add an additional DD on top of that, and then a WHM, COR, or BLM on top of that if you get 6.

Not worth killing without a THF, imo. But to each their own. THF is a powerful DD if you play it right, everyone knows that. Just make sure you're not just "settling" for THF - they have to be good. Otherwise they are just a TH4 whore.

Great info, getting motivated to ramp this up now. Thanks for yalls input.

[Wizerd]

I'd say also for madames, since we have our melees sit on TP for WS stun Frog Chorus. We argued which would be a quicker kill amongst ourselves and just decided it's for the best if it was this way, less time being a frog = more time of the frog dying.

Does this reset TP? Or will they just use it again shortly thereafter? This may be the route we go depending on the job setups we use.


[quote:32vagthr]The madames don't have "regen" per say. They will regen if left unclaimed without aggro on anyone, with no DOTs on. If you avoid entry on Lightsday, charm is very easily dealt with by refreshing Requiem VI every time it's up. It lasts a good while, even though the madames are light based, so it's a good failsafe for charm. Stack other DOTs on top of it just in case. You can avoid charm using stun weapon skills or abilities (such as Weapon Bash), or having someone out of 20' range ready to kite. Charm lasts exactly 1 minute.

You can clear 3 people of pathos and get to and kill both 5FN and 6F with 4 people, I would say MNK THF RDM BRD. Add an additional DD on top of that, and then a WHM, COR, or BLM on top of that if you get 6.

Not worth killing without a THF, imo. But to each their own. THF is a powerful DD if you play it right, everyone knows that. Just make sure you're not just "settling" for THF - they have to be good. Otherwise they are just a TH4 whore.

Great info, getting motivated to ramp this up now. Thanks for yalls input.[/quote:32vagthr]

Stunning Frog Chorus resets its TP as far as I can tell. Can never be too sure, since I'm usually focused on something else when I don't have TP anymore, until I get TP again. I've never been charmed soon after stunning it though.

Also, my comment was more based on BLM / DRK stun. WS stun is wonderful for Madames, just don't try to stun it with a BLM or DRK. It's too fast, and these aren't reliable enough.

One last thing, if you enter Zhayolm on lightningsday, don't bother trying to stun. I don't think WS stuns even land. <_<

[Lordwafik]

Doesn't reset TP, but the chance of it doing Chorus again is 1 in 5, which is a decent chance for other moves to get in next. (Frog Chorus / Providence / Magic Hammer / Frog Cheer / Water bomb )

It's done back to back choruses on us sometimes, nothing you can do about it but deal with it really.

[Alibeemac]

We regularly farm with 6 man teams. It is actually more manageable than going in with a crap ton of people needing extra cells and wasting time. My favourite setup for this is WHM BRD BLM MNK SAM THF. I have killed the mobs for all Bodies except Usukane in a group of 6. Haven't tried CC with 6 since very few people have any interest in it and we tend to focus on the rest of SSR when we go since Hammerblow and Powderkeg drop rates can diaf. I think our group has low-manned tho previously but I wasn't there.