The AV Videos: READ THE -OP- AND THREAD BEFORE POSTING!

[Kraig]

A few people have been responding to theories with the claim, "someone had to have tried that in the past..." etc. The problem with that is that SE has changed AV, just because something worked/didn't work in the past doesn't mean it should be accepted or dismissed now. WIth the release of this video, theories shouldn't be dismissed so easily without current proof.

[Tahngarthor]

If you read my question to the end, I'm wondering about the dev drg's 2h of course ... why the fuck would he use call wyvern and not spirit surge since you don't need a matching abilitie to stop AV's 2h (look at hundred fists example)?

I understood what your point was. Don't say shit like this

Dynamis mobs use Call Wyvern as 2-hours.

without expecting to be jumped on.

Well apparently some people will never figure out that spirit surge didn't exist at the time AV came out, and that DRG NMs were not changed when they changed this.

[Draxy]

Since everyone is speculating, I'll throw out some things that I've thought about that probably aren't right, but unique anyway. I have thought of two possibilities, both are kind of random things that have been already thought of but taken in a slightly different direction.

First, the idea that AV recharges 2-hours and how it seems to be pretty random how many, and which 2-hours are used by players at the time AV uses one. I was thinking it may be possible that random people are selected from the alliance to have their 2hr recharged, and if they fail to blow that 2hr that ability will not be locked/negated/etc to AV. Alternatively it may just be that it is 1:1 and they were just trying to throw everyone off without making it EXTREMELY apparent what the 'hint' was.

Second (this one is a very long shot), throughout the video, we do not see the aerns that pop near JOL's ???. Someone suggested earlier that at a fanfest the area around where AV pops was mentioned as significant. It is possible that whatever jobs those aerns pop as, are the corresponding 2-hours that are needed to lock/negate/etc AV (or at least until they repop buying you some time to whackamole). Again, this is a long shot.

Flame away!

[Spira]

based on the time (see the clock) that wouldn't make sense tho... you don't get your 2hrs back that soon...

what i garnered from watching that video was simply SE telling us "when AV uses a 2hr, use your 2hr just after him to disable his ability to use them"

This would be the most direct conclusion anyone could draw from the video.. tho I think it might have to be a little more specific..

I've not had the chance to read all the page so I'm just gonna state my hypotheses.. hopefully get to try this fight soon I think my LS has a set of JoL...

1. AV can use any of the 2hrs that a PT member can use, or possibly anyone who has hate in the area.. which would mean that everyone is required to waste their 2hrs somehow, but they can't do it just any time, it has to be right after he does a 2hr.

2. As long as you use a 2hr after AV 2hrs, you can block his ability to use that 2hr. It probably only needs to be done once during the whole fight (but that wouldn't explain that Benediction-ga they did)

In any case, its the most positive step thus far at trying to decipher AVs complicated behavior..
it will only be a matter of time (and some actual testing) before people can get AV down pat.. and finally those drops of his will become in reach.

[VZX]

It is possible that whatever jobs those aerns pop as, are the corresponding 2-hours that are needed to lock/negate/etc AV (or at least until they repop buying you some time to whackamole).

Assuming you can tell exactly what job the existing Aern are, there shouldn't be a 2hr spam. Because you know which 2hr should be released. Not just a random spam as if you're claiming something as quick as possible

[Gunslinger]

No, no, and not a chance. Too many people have dropped party to pull AV towards the entrance to sea and have been bombarded with all of the 2hrs possible including the 2hrs that that job can use.

Knew that would come up lol ^^, obvious flaw in my master plan. However, maybe you can only lock the 2 hours he uses if that job is in the party and uses it after he 2 hrs? Example: If you don't have a rdm in the alliance, there's no way you're going to lock chainspell.


AV uses Random 2hr
*All players use their 2 hr to lock AV's corresponding 2 hours (if no rdm or rdm does not use chainspell, AV can still use chainspell).

2 hours later

AV uses random 2 hr that is ready for use again by players that was previously locked.



Ps. I think the lack of Aerns probably had more to do with them spawning AV in a controlled environment, so they wouldnt have to deal with them (if I had to guess).

[Krelian]

Everyone here seems to be assuming that SE would not completely cheat in order to make a video. That means, never ending two hours, etc. I doubt this is one fight sequence, but a bunch of fights clipped together. I would not even be suprised if they could not kill it, so just set its hp at a certain percentage and started filming while trying to give hints of what could 'theoretically' be done.

[Tahngarthor]

Everyone here seems to be assuming that SE would not completely cheat in order to make a video. That means, never ending two hours, etc. I doubt this is one fight sequence, but a bunch of fights clipped together. I would not even be suprised if they could not kill it, so just set its hp at a certain percentage and started filming while trying to give hints of what could 'theoretically' be done.

Personally, I would draw conclusions giving the benefit of the doubt first, then try it, see if it helps, then call BS if it doesn't.

[Belkin]

If maybe somebody could find a pattern to which 2HR's they used when AV used a 2HR, we would benefit from that. I mean I saw Benediction and Manafont go off several times (Invincible a couple times also).

At this point you can throw out all the theories you want, but until somebody tests it, thats all they are...theories.

[The Blackrose]

While the video is a hint and a half, there's still some unanswered questions.

Does everyone in the Alliance have to use 2HRs, thus locking all 2HRs? When AV uses a 2HR, do you have to use the same 2HR in response to lock it? If this is not the case, does SCH/BLU/DNC/COR/PUP 2HRs count towards locking (even though AV does not have them)?

Beyond that, I have nothing.

[Sixtail]

Assuming I'm not blind here, I read the whole thread.

What is the fallacy to this:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Virtue

1.Defeat as many of Jailer of Love's pets as possible to weaken his regen

2.Make sure everyone has baraero spells to weaken his wind spells

3.And most importantly, what we apparently haven't noticed all this time, is that every time Absolute Virtue uses a job ability such as 2hrs or Call Wyvern, all job ability timers are reset, virtually letting players 2hr whenever he does. I'd love to know why no one has noticed something this obvious till now...

This is more than likely bullshit, and I would like to know who edited it, lol

I edited all that BS out Theres nothing more BS than posting DUH conclusions to an article page as fact within such a short time of a video coming out

(And it says at the bottom of the page the last person to edit it)

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[Eticket]

As long as noone is testing, it's all speculation at this point anyway.

Yup. I'm looking forward to seeing the attempts and results over the next few days.

[QotsaM]

Looks like I talked too fast about drg's 2h. Sry about it, they certainly defeated AV before they switched drg's 2h, but they release the vid only now, it confused me a bit. Shouldn't have talked about it.

I may reconsider the matching abilitie too. Someone told me that when they try to lock AV's Hundred fists, it didn't work and AV was still under HF effect. I looked again at the french vid, and he seemed to be right. AV still looks to be under HF effect >.<

[Ehran]

I doubt SE would implement something in a fight that would allow 2hrs to be reset, so we are either seeing a lot of fights in 4 minutes, or this fight will take forever.

Dynamis Goblins have been doing this for a while with Goblin Dice. I find that a far more reasonable answer than a six hour fight immediately AFTER killing JoL.

[test123]

2hours generate a shitload of Enmity, maybe a enmity surge blows his fuses and locks his meteor!?

[Tahngarthor]

Looks like I talked too fast about drg's 2h. Sry about it, they certainly defeated AV before they switched drg's 2h, but they release the vid only now, it confused me a bit. Shouldn't have talked about it.

I may reconsider the matching abilitie too. Someone told me that when they try to lock AV's Hundred fists, it didn't work and AV was still under HF effect. I looked again at the french vid, and he seemed to be right. AV still looks to be under HF effect >.<

Er, we aren't saying they made this video 2 years ago. We're simply saying they didn't change AV's DRG 2hour to Spirit Surge. It still does not use spirit surge, and it never will.

2hours generate a shitload of Enmity, maybe a enmity surge blows his fuses and locks his meteor!?

Only certain ones do.

I know how to beat AV! I'll pull hate with Overdrive!

[Gulkeeva]

this is the entire chat log i typed out to try and get a better idea of AV using 2hrs and then everyone else also using 2hrs.

Fade to black and back.
Lightningday 6:46

Screen starts to zoom in
Lightningday 6:50 (not sure if this is correct, next part of video @ 3:06 shows 5:02 vana time)
Movie Time 2:54

Basu uses Benediction.
Basu recovers 0 HP
Roopelope uses Benediction.
Roopelope recovers 0 HP.
Ruriri uses Benediction.
Ruriri recovers 0 HP




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Hmmm so those 3 WHM used Benediction and the only persons showing in the chat logs affected by it were themselves? Anyone else find that wierd?

If my guess on the "you use 2 hours and he matches it later" then you'd want to get rid of that first wouldn't you?
AV probably matches the 2 hours of anyone in range.

I havne't been able to watch the video because I'm at work btw >.>

[Ryushii]

Just a thought: If we want to assume that this video is clipped together, and therefore each chat instance is unrelated, then we also can't really assume much beyond "use your 2hrs after AV and something will happen." We could have to spam all of them, or SE could have just done that to hide exactly which 2hr we have to use after each. They might not even be using the right 2hrs at all, considering we never really get to see any effects spamming the 2hrs may have caused.

In summary, I just wanted to point out there is a hell of a lot to test, and nothing we can assume at all.

[supercoco]

The only reason they killed Aern's was to be able to -ga3 jol summons.

[Izzy]

At the very least, this video gave us a lot of things to test out in the coming weeks. To all those saying, "OH JESUS THIS VIDEO IS TOTALLY FUCKING WORTHLESS!!" shut the fuck up and do some testing with the things you've seen in the video. Then draw your dumbass conclusion.