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[QotsaM]

Looks like I talked too fast about drg's 2h. Sry about it, they certainly defeated AV before they switched drg's 2h, but they release the vid only now, it confused me a bit. Shouldn't have talked about it.

I may reconsider the matching abilitie too. Someone told me that when they try to lock AV's Hundred fists, it didn't work and AV was still under HF effect. I looked again at the french vid, and he seemed to be right. AV still looks to be under HF effect >.<

Er, we aren't saying they made this video 2 years ago. We're simply saying they didn't change AV's DRG 2hour to Spirit Surge. It still does not use spirit surge, and it never will.

I know that, I was just surprised that the dev drg (Astri) still uses the old 2h, and tried to find an explanation, nothing more >.<
But well ... let's stop about it, sry, and go for speculation /o/

[Rho]

First off, I find it somewhat quirky that they release this right before Roger Clemens testifies. Not that there's any connection, just silly coincidence.

Anyhow, one thing I'm curious about is the use (or absence of) virtue weapons in the fight. I don't -think- I saw anyone use them, but don't take that for .

Good luck to the first shells who get to put this video to use.

[Eticket]

Looks like I talked too fast about drg's 2h. Sry about it, they certainly defeated AV before they switched drg's 2h, but they release the vid only now, it confused me a bit. Shouldn't have talked about it.

I may reconsider the matching abilitie too. Someone told me that when they try to lock AV's Hundred fists, it didn't work and AV was still under HF effect. I looked again at the french vid, and he seemed to be right. AV still looks to be under HF effect >.<

why do people keep saying it's an old video? there's toau/nyzul gear in the vid. it's been stated a couple times. the dev team said they were 'working on' the video in the last couple months. the video is recent.

Call Wyvern is AV's DRG 2 hour, just like every other DRG mob's 2 hour. Knowing SE, it makes complete sense that CW locks out CW even though it's not technically the 'player' 2 hour. Until the players test it, we'll never know for sure.

Again, the most likely use of two hours is to prevent them from being used again, not to stop them or stun them the first time.

[Lebzile]

SE:

Although, it was pretty cool to get some clues as to how to beat him.

[xopher]

Looks like I talked too fast about drg's 2h. Sry about it, they certainly defeated AV before they switched drg's 2h, but they release the vid only now, it confused me a bit. Shouldn't have talked about it.

I may reconsider the matching abilitie too. Someone told me that when they try to lock AV's Hundred fists, it didn't work and AV was still under HF effect. I looked again at the french vid, and he seemed to be right. AV still looks to be under HF effect >.<

Er, we aren't saying they made this video 2 years ago. We're simply saying they didn't change AV's DRG 2hour to Spirit Surge. It still does not use spirit surge, and it never will.

I know that, I was just surprised that the dev drg (Astri) still uses the old 2h, and tried to find an explanation, nothing more >.<
But well ... let's stop about it, sry, and go for speculation /o/

Like I said earlier, since the Job Ability that AV uses as a 2 hour is Call Wyvern, it is assumed you have to match that same Job Ability and that is why the dev DRG used it.

[Ianpier]

Who knows maybe is not a specific 2hr that has to be used after he uses one of his, maybe its more like a cue, meaning maybe you need to constantly use your 2hrs to lock him from repeating a 2hr, and the cue or key moment to use it would be right when he uses one of his. so whenever AV uses a 2hr everyone on your alliance with 2hr ready uses it?.

Im also going by the theory that its multiple fights merged and edited into 1 video and the only reason not everyone is 2hring at every 2hr of AV is because they didnt had their 2hr ready?

i dont know this doesnt make much sense but is what i got out of it, because otherwise the use of 2hrs that are not been currently used by him make little to no sense. all i got lol. prolly means nothing, most likely my ls trying this on sunday if he pops.

[Darkmoon]

The only reason they killed Aern's was to be able to -ga3 jol summons.

Don't need to kill Arens to do the -ga burn on JoL Summons, you can just postion him in a better spot (near the mouth of his den) and youll never aggro an aren, or need to pull the Summons , just -ga nuke them form thier postion (which will be on top your tanks out of melee range)

The goofy thing tho, is you NEVER see a Aren, not in the den ever, not pulled nothing. Now those Arens are on short timers also, so its not like there are long luls in the wait on them to repop, so imo they just turned them off for this test run.

[Tokitoki]

Anyhow, one thing I'm curious about is the use (or absence of) virtue weapons in the fight. I don't -think- I saw anyone use them, but don't take that for .

Maybe thats because everyone has tried using virtue weapons in every way, shape, and form and didnt come up with anything. Maybe they have no relevance at all! What an idea...

[Tulun]

Awesome. At least it gives us an idea how we might stop 2 hour spam (since after what... 2 and a half years, we had no fuckin idea?).

If that's the big case, just a matter of if a particular 2 hour matters (one you want to nerf), or nerfing the current two hour used. That should be figurable within a couple AV runs server wide, if communication is maintained.

Then we can get some good drama lulz.

[pinkie]

This video is hawt..... I saw plds/nin.. bunch of rdms blms brds and whms being used and yes the whole bararo thingy and blizzaga etc...

/em finds a hnmshell to join to go try this shitte out I will watch this more at home tonight.. but wows.


pinkie cat

[Eticket]

The goofy thing tho, is you NEVER see a Aren, not in the den ever, not pulled nothing. Now those Arens are on short timers also, so its not like there are long luls in the wait on them to repop, so imo they just turned them off for this test run.

I've never seen an Aren to begin with.

Sorry... couldn't help myself.

Anyway, it could be we don't see them at since the video is edited to all hell and they probably killed them during the points we don't see. They just cut out anything that didn't specifically have to do with whatever 'hints' they wanted to show.

[Darkmoon]

The goofy thing tho, is you NEVER see a Aren, not in the den ever, not pulled nothing. Now those Arens are on short timers also, so its not like there are long luls in the wait on them to repop, so imo they just turned them off for this test run.

I've never seen an Aren to begin with.

Sorry... couldn't help myself.

Anyway, it could be we don't see them at since the video is edited to all hell and they probably killed them during the points we don't see. They just cut out anything that didn't specifically have to do with whatever 'hints' they wanted to show.

The only way i see that possible over the duration of this video is if they somehow have all 3 held outside and not killing them, possible yes. But again sucks to be the guy holding one for 2-3+ Hours

[isladar]

Aerns = darters?

[Skeetaru]

Ok, so Im gonna make a formal request for a moderator to make some sort of sticky with ONLY observed information from this, because this thread seems to be quite watered down and this is important enough to be stickied with good info.

[Hoga]

From what it looks like is they are counter the 2 hours somehow, by using their 2 hours but I'm stumped like everyone else.

I watched this video over and over all i can see is the order of the 2 hours.


Av uses, SV, Pld 2 hours before SV goes out.

Order of 2 hours maybe we have to do it in the same order as them ?

Whm
Whm
Sam
Whm
Call Wyvern
Smn
Blm
Blm
Brd
Brd
Drk
Rdm
Brd

Av uses CS
Blm
Brd
Rdm

Av Uses Call Wyvern

Blm
Pld
Smn
Drg Call Wyvern
Rdm


Still though does not explain the multi use of the 2 hours. I'm going to have to go with the switching in and out with 30+, Then again 1 of the plds and smn used 2 hours twice.


SE and their damn puzzles!



SE Shitting on the little people!

[shieldsofwindurst]

Is anyone else getting dumber reading the exact same speculation rehashed by new people page after page after page? Almost all you need to know you can find in the first 3 pages. I vote the mods lock this topic until someone actually pops AV and we can try shit. Yay for flame wars on BG and all that, but this is actually exactly the forum where people not only care but would be able to Do something about it, and I don't think they want to dig through 100 pages of crap to find the 3 or 4 relevant posts when AV actually pops. If people want to spend their days OMGing and LOLing and "no aerns!"ing and "rdm kiting!" and "earth staff!"ing, there are other places for that.

[Zosi]

I doubt SE would implement something in a fight that would allow 2hrs to be reset, so we are either seeing a lot of fights in 4 minutes, or this fight will take forever.

Dynamis Goblins have been doing this for a while with Goblin Dice. I find that a far more reasonable answer than a six hour fight immediately AFTER killing JoL.

Goblin Dice displays a log message saying that it reset your 2hrs. So does Wild Card, Revitalizers and every other currently-existing 2hr reset method.

There's no reason to say that it's either a six hour fight or involves resetting 2hrs, because the video was obviously made over several hours without any regard for "fixing" the in-game time so it appeared continuous. Most likely, they filmed all of the different language versions during one fight, so yes, it probably did take them 6+ hours (including some dev server 2hr reset hax) to get precisely the right things filmed so they could edit the videos together later. The focus of the video was the strategy, not the fight length or any of the other incidental stuff people are picking apart.

It's like watching a TV show and interpolating that a scene that logically would take 5 minutes actually took 3 hours because the stage crew forgot to reset the barely-visible clock in the background between takes. It's a continuity error on their part, not a vital point of data that you can infer other things from.

[Kawfee]

For those who are saying that "reseting 2hrs is crap" "SE would never let you reset your 2hr in a fight"

They already do that in Limbus, which is ...drumroll... part of the same endgame expansion pack.

[Tsuko_Asura]

At least we know SE's position on RDM tanking? :bagel:

[Lusaris]

Has anyone noticed that Asrti was casting Thundaga III during the JoL fight and then happened to use Call Wyvern in the middle of the AV fight? Thats gotta be different fights all rolled into one, as I dont believe you can use Call Wyvern unless DRG is main. Something to think about.