The AV Videos: READ THE -OP- AND THREAD BEFORE POSTING!

[Ashira]

one thing ashira, you listed eng clip II twice, which is which?

Yeah, my bad.. I think that was from when I started trying to list things in order and I forgot to change clip# as I was moving things up and down and snipping stuff into the list (had wrong 2hr listed too).

I edited that post, and also, here it is again, including JP clips.


JoL Windsday to Iceday. Defeated on Iceday. AV pops on Iceday.

1. English video, clip IV is chronologically FIRST. Iceday 12x (AV Call Wyvern)
2. German video, clip III and Japanese video, clip II is next. Iceday 14x (AV Soul Voice (Seelenstimme))
3. French video, clip III. Iceday 16:1x (AV Hundred Fists (Cent poings))
4. German video, clip IV and Japanese video, clip IV. Iceday 16:4x (AV Meikyo Shisui)
5. All videos, clip I. Iceday 23x --> Lightningsday 00x (Thunder casts, PLD using Invincible, no AV response.)
I think the lower Thunder casts are just for lower damage/TP, honestly, while working to break Regen.
6. English video, clip III and French video, clip IV. Lightningsday 5x. (AV Chainspell (Chaîne de sorts)).
7. English video, clip II. Lightningsday 06x. (PLD Invincible, then AV Soul Voice - most likely just slight chat log lag.)
8. French and German videos, clip II. Lightningsday 08x-09x (AV Astral Flow (Flux astral/Astralstrom))
9. Japanese video, clip III. Lightningsday 13x - (AV Astral Flow)
10. End clips. All from different angles. German and English on one side (German more to the right I believe), French on other side. Japanese end clips look to be the same as English. Same Gekko kill, Homam DRG in same place in each video, DRK and PLDs near each other, etc.


EDIT: I had German clip III listed twice, bleh.

[Narse]

One of the linkshells that fought AV .. their paladin said he took 400 dmg meteor w/ fealty up.. and he said he knows that makes no sense.. but they also tried the 2 hour thing if im not mistaken, so perhaps your idea of the 2 hours lowering his stats is more accurate.. if we could reduce meteor dmg to 400.. then.. ok.. But I need to ask that paladin.. were you the only one taking 400? Were the others still taking 2000+ dmg?

About the blm/whm being camera toons.. We never got an angle from them, so kinda weird.. It's possible.. would explain why they dont take damage, they could have made them perma invincible.. I haven't fought AV in a while but I was pretty sure his aoe's hit people out of pt? been too frigging long. I think what somebody said earlier was the best.. just go in and try and replicate their moves w/o expecting anything.. just be open to what happens.. not "zomg it fucking 2 houred again i quit" attitude.

In their video, AV 2 houred at death.. right before it.. so you cannot stop the animations from happening, period, get over it.. the only thing (as i mentioned in an earlier post) was that MAYBE he does the animations and doesn't get the benefits.. :shrug:.. I can't wait to test this myself.

Everyone else was eating huge meteor damage.

[*Shinzon*]

I don't know if this was pointed out, but:

In the first part of the video where 2 hours are spammed, Hina uses Soul Voice to match AV's Soul Voice. Hina was then able to use Soul Voice 2 more times when AV 2 houred. Hina is the only one that I saw to use their 2 hour 3 times.

s i g h

And thats why I was so frustrated like a page back.

[Kayos]

I don't know if this was pointed out, but:

In the first part of the video where 2 hours are spammed, Hina uses Soul Voice to match AV's Soul Voice. Hina was then able to use Soul Voice 2 more times when AV 2 houred. Hina is the only one that I saw to use their 2 hour 3 times.

s i g h

And thats why I was so frustrated like a page back.

If you have to put a disclaimer in your post such as "I dont know if this has been mentioned" or "I didn't see this in the thread" or "I dont know if anyone tried this" THEN DONT FUCKING POST TILL YOU FIGURE IT OUT.

Edit: my fucking migraine is coming back now. Thanks.

[AstralMage]

(I've never fought AV)

I propose an inductive study of all the videos released (Japanese, English, German, and French). By comparing the commonalities between the videos we can eliminate silly theories (if indeed they prove to be silly) related to the game clock or elemental day. If we study what is common in each video's "zoom" part, we can more narrow our theories.

We must presume that SE has credited us with understanding basic notions such as elemental weaknesses on certain elemental days (they are not trying to show us what the best day of the week is to engage AV).

And, as someone stated earlier SE would likely not post such a cryptic method contained within the video on their site (the clues are obvious). I believe the clues are in the 2-hour uses (and not in Taru /panic emotes, or Galka BRD’s; I know this comes as a disappointment to some of you).

We should dismiss presuppositions also, regarding multiple 2-hours within the period of minutes. The video is about "AV's weakness", not about how to gain an advantage in fighting him.

We can presume SE considers we will use all the common tactics when fighting such a tough mob that an end-game linkshell frequently uses .

We should also quit the debate as to whether the video was taken at the debut of AV some time ago, or if it is indeed recent. It doesn't make a difference – except in the case of the DRG 2-hour, but in this event it should be easy for a DRG to use both since it is unclear.

I had also read a theory somewhere, where someone observed AV only using 2-hours matching the jobs of the characters engaged with it. Which could be proof for why few melee are involved.

Further, we seem to be focusing solely on the AV fight. Were there any clues given in the JoL fight? Why was it necessary for the JoL sequence to be included?

If we would think inductively, dismiss our silly presuppositions, and presume only what the "zoom" sequences are showing, we should be able to find the weakness. I am sure it is quite evident.
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[Intense]

I don't know if this was pointed out, but:

In the first part of the video where 2 hours are spammed, Hina uses Soul Voice to match AV's Soul Voice. Hina was then able to use Soul Voice 2 more times when AV 2 houred. Hina is the only one that I saw to use their 2 hour 3 times.

s i g h

And thats why I was so frustrated like a page back.

If you have to put a disclaimer in your post such as "I dont know if this has been mentioned" or "I didn't see this in the thread" or "I dont know if anyone tried this" THEN DONT FUCKING POST TILL YOU FIGURE IT OUT.

Edit: my fucking migraine is coming back now. Thanks.

Should make a rule against it. Also stupid joke posts, which are very uneeded and unhelpful. Take your oh so clever quips about the video to the spam forums, imo.

[Araius]

I was honestly thinking as a reaction to Chainspell mode if it's doable, but mainly to give a straight up job boost to Magus's Roll + it's actually reasonable support. And I am curious if slow physical spells like 1000 Needles are actually worth it in fights like this, though I normally know it's crap.

Yeah to save your ass from Chainspell I could see that, especially if he only is able to use CS once. It's a long enough fight to have it available, if nothing else. Also, 1000 Needles is "technically" magical, for BLU anyways (I'm aware cactaur 1000 needles damage is reduced my -% physical damage gear), and would very likely just get resisted like it does against everything else. I'd be willing to toss it out a couple times just for s&g's though. 350 MP/pop is a bear to try it too many times.

[wintersquall]

i was going to post earlier that i'd bet 100m gil that the JP vid had the 0:00 clip in it, and i haven't seen it. so yeah...

whatever is happening, happens THEN. they put a huge fuckin spotlight on it, it's up to us to figure it out.


needs moar discussion of the clip and prior actions relating to it, less random AV speculation like we already have hundreds of pages of.

i'll watch it a few times over lunch, screw applebee's.

[Ashira]

Further, we seem to be focusing solely on the AV fight. Were there any clues given in the JoL fight? Why was it necessary for the JoL sequence to be included?

I think most people agreed it was to show to kill the Phuabos and not hold them as has become custom for some LSes to do when fighting JoL.

As to Squall's bit about the day change, again, most seem to agree it is to show the change of elemental casts on AV from Ice > Thunder, outside the one BLM (Iws) who obviously just wasn't paying attention. Same clip in all four languages.

[wintersquall]

we already knew that part though, why would they put such emphasis on a point we've known for months? it's the only clip in all four videos, so it's obviously hugely important in this release.

i just don't see them purposely and very obviously spotlighting in this video, with all the hype and all of the delays, the only thing we already knew >.> yeah, it's SE, but come on.

[RKenshin]

Hmm, I think the point of keeping multiple tanks on AV is to -reduce- higher set damages to any 1 tank by splitting the -ga damage up. Not sure how much you could really lower it to with proper MDEF+ and wind resist, but I would assume if everyone could reduce it enough, it'd be pretty much 100-200 to each tank, which is a lot easier to survive when you're being melee'd for 300-400 at AVs attack rate.

And yet both tanks dropped when he started CS, until there was only one. Yes I'm aware how -GA damage works, but obviously it's not splitting the damage up well, as the first Mithra tank is hit for 1000+ even with 3 other players getting hit by the same -GA. Just look up at the above, it's manageable with a good Aegis tank, and probably just as well with a tank who has a full resist set. (assuming the resist would be enough keep him alive without the MDB -magic damage of Aegis.)

AV -ga damage isn't split across multiple targets like most -ga damage, if even at all.

We've seen better results just having one tank take all the -ga damage away from the rest, so that you're only curing one person for 700-1k HP as opposed to 3 or more.

[Ashira]

Oops, I edited this into your post instead of replying first, was wondering where my reply was.

Anyway, yeah, we knew it but everyone was always like 'wtf, we don't care about AV's Regen, haha wtf does JOL have to do with anything," so I think they were reiterating this particular clue they gave us numerous times.

[Fadian]

For the love of god, reading 40+ pages has made my eyes bleed, head ache, and me going to take a dump twice! and I have yet see more then maybe 2 pages worth of posts that has any sort of intelligent information in it. Please, gather what USEFUL information is found in this god forsaken 40+ page post and redo a new link where people ONLY POST useful information WHERE THEY CAN PROVE WITH SS OR OTHER DATA what their specalation have accurred.

P.S. Screw my grammer and spelling, i'm tired and aggitated from reading...

[Quixote]

I really have read this whole thread. Christ, this is rough. I know I'm asking for public abuse but I am seeing patterns here. I am piggybacking off of someone's earlier idea that AV 2hr and corresponding player two hour creates a window in which, any 2hr hours that fall between them are weakened, locked, etc...

It would appear that they try to hold to a pattern of two elements only inside of that window.

Movie time 2:15
Iceday 23:46
Iws starts casting Blizzard III on Absolute Virtue.
Rasopomosopo Starts casting Cure III on Ronana.
Popumyonmapu starts casting Blizzard on Absolute Virtue.
Rasopomosopo casts Cure III.
Ronana Recovers 111HP.
Ryl casts Utsusemi: Ichi.
Ryl Gains the effect of Copy Image.
Basu casts Haste.
Basu gains the effect of Haste.
Ruriri casts Haste.
Elmaulle gains the effect of haste.
Sibigobi starts casting Blizzard II on Absolute Virtue

Absolute Virtue starts casting Tornado II.
Arefelie starts casting Dispel on Absolute Virtue.
Basu starts casting Baraera on Basu.

Iceday 23:58
Absolute Virtue readies Wing Thrust.
Oruu starts casting Blizzard III on Absolute Virtue.
Ronana casts Stoneskin.
Ronana gains the effect of Stoneskin.
Popumyonmapu starts casting Blizzard II on Absolute Virtue
Elmaulle uses Invincible. (Earth (Scission))
Iws starts casting Blizzard II on Absolute Virtue.
Basu casts Baraera.
Basu gains the effect of Baraero.
Rnana gains the effect of Baraero.
Ryl gains the effect of Baraero.
Arefelie gains the effect of Baraero.
Elmaulle gains the effect of Baraero.

Now..
Lightningday 0:00
Ryl was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
Absolute Virtue readies Wing Thrust.
Ronana starts casting Sleep II on Absolute Virtue.
Sibigobi starts casting Thunder IV on Absolute Virtue.
Oruu starts casting Thunder on Absolute Virtue.
Elmaulle Starts casting Utusemi: Ni.
Popumyonmapu starts casting Thunder on Absolute Virtue.
Ronana starts casting Dispel on Absolute Virtue
Iws starts casting Blizzard IV on Absolute Virtue.
Elmaulle starts casting Utsusemi: Ni
Elmaulle gains the effect of Copy Image.
Ronana starts casting Sleep on Absolute Virtue
Oruu starts casting Thunder IV on Absolute Virtue
Chakiki Starts casting Refresh on Chakiki
Absolute Virtue readies Medusa Javelin
Popumyonmapu starts casting Thunder IV on Absolute Virtue
Rasopomosopo starts casting Cure III on Ryl

Fade to black and back.
Lightningday 6:46

Rasopomosopo gains the effect of Ballad
Roopelope gains the effect of Ballad
Chakiki gains the effect of Ballad
Sibigobi gains the effect of Ballad
Oruu gains the effect of Ballad
Hupapa starts casting Mage's Ballad II on Hupapa
Elmaulle starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Elmaulle
Ronana starts casting Dispel on Absolute Virtue
Lalala starts casting Mage's Ballad on Lalala
Arefelie casts Utsusemi: Ni
Arefelie gains the effect of Copy Image
Ryl casts Utsusemi: Ichi
Ryl gains the effect of Copy Image
Ronana starts casting Bind on Absolute Virtue
Hupapa casts Mage's Ballad II
Hupapa gains the effect of Ballad
Rasopomosopo gains the effect of Ballad
Chakiki gains the effect of Ballad
Sibigobi gains the effect of Ballad
Oruu gains the effect of Ballad
Elmaulle casts Utsusemi: Ichi
Elmaulle gains the effect of Copy Image
Ronana starts casting Blind on Absolute Virtue

Screen starts to zoom in
Lightningday 6:50 (not sure if this is correct, next part of video @ 3:06 shows 5:02 vana time)
Movie Time 2:54

Lalala casts Mage's Ballad.
Lalala gains the effect of Ballad
Akiki gains the effect of Ballad
Elmaulle uses Invincible (Earth (Scission))
Absolute Virtue uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion))
Lalala starts casting Mage's Ballad II on Lalala
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Basu uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Basu recovers 0 HP
Roopelope uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Roopelope recovers 0 HP.
Iws uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Ronana recovers 72 HP
Hupapa recovers 0 HP
Dreamrainbow uses Meikyo Shisui. (Water (Reverberation))
Astri uses Call Wyvern. (Light? (Transfixion?))
Ruriri uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Ruriri recovers 0 HP
Houjuhkye recovers 0 HP
Arefelie recovers 0 HP
Rasopomosopo recovers 0 HP
Chakiki recovers 0 HP
Rasopomosopo uses Astral Flow. (Light (Transfixion))
Elmaulle recovers 127 HP
Sibigobi recovers 0 HP
Sibigobi uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Oruu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Hupapa uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion))
Hina uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion))
Oruu recovers 0 HP
Yanono uses Blood Weapon. (Darkness (Compression))
Chakiki uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction))
Ronana starts casting Sleep II on Absolute Virtue
Houjuhkye uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion))
Chakiki starts casting Refresh on Chakiki
Absolute Virtue starts casting Maiden's Virelai.
Lalala casts Mage's Ballad II
Lalala gains the effect of Ballad
Akiki gains the effect of Ballad
Ronana starts casting Sleep on Absolute Virtue

Fade to black, and back.

Lightningday 5:02
Movie time 3:06

Ronana is intimidated by Absolute Virtue
Houjihkye casts Cure II
Arefelie recovers 0 HP
Oruu casts Blink
Oruu gains the effect of Blink
Mukopekko casts Haste.
Mukopekko gains the effect of Haste
Ryl starts casting Cure III on Arefelie.
Oruu starts casting Stoneskin on Oruu
Elmaulle starts casting Cure IV on Arefelie.
Ronana starts casting Cure IV on Arefelie
Akiki starts casting Cure III on Arefelie

3:16 Movie time

Absolute Virtue readies Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction))
Ronana starts casting Sleep II on Absolute Virtue.
Ronana casts Cure IV
Arefelie recovers 200 HP
Elmaulle casts Cure IV
Arefelie recovers 386 HP
Absolute Virtue starts casting Aero V
Absolute Virtue uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction))
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Oruu casts Stoneskin
Oruu gains the effect of Stoneskin
Hina uses Soul Voice
Chakiki uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction))
Absolute Virtue starts casting Aeroga IV
Arefelie starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi
Ronana starts casting Dispel on Absolute Virtue
Houjuhkye casts Cure II
Ronana recovers 72 HP
Mukopekko casts Haste
Yanono gains the effect of Haste
Elmaulle starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Elmaulle
Ronana is intimidated by Absolute Virtue's Presence
Houjuhkye starts casting Cure III on Ryl
Basu starts casting Cure V on Ryl
Akiki starts casting Cure V on Ryl
Absolute Virtue starts casting Aero V


Video cuts out..
Comes back, Absolute Virtue still has its Javelin, no bracelets
Watersday 12:04
Movie time 3:25

Akiki starts casting Cure III on Elmaulle
Popumyonmapu starts casting Blink on Popumyonmapu
Iws casts Blink
Iws gains the effect of Blink
Ronana is intimidated by Absolute Virtue's Presence
Absolute Virtue Readies Impact Stream
Hina's casting is interrupted
Ryl casts Cure III
Elmaulle recovers 194 HP
Lalala casts Mage's Ballad
Akiki gains the effect of Ballad
Olala gains the effect of Ballad
Akiki casts Cure III
Elmaulle recovers 240 HP
Olala starts casting Cure III on Olala
Lalala starts casting Mage's Ballad II
Basu starts casting Haste on Ryl
Popumyonmapu casts Blink
Popumyonmapu gains the effect of Blink
Ronana Starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Ronana
Elmaulle starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Elmaulle
Hina starts casting Mage's Ballad II on Hina
Ryl starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Ryl
Houjuhkye starts casting Mage's Ballad on Houjuhkye
Arefelie starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Arefelie
Absolute Virtue starts casting Aero V
Florensz starts casting Cure V on Dreamrainbow
Olala casts Cure III
Olala recovers 217 HP
Elmaulle starts casting Cure III on Elmaulle
Mukopekko starts casting Haste on Muk
Basu casts Haste
Ryl gains the effect of Haste
Ronana casts Utsusemi: Ni
Ronana gains the effect of Copy Image
Ronana starts casting Sleep II on Absolute Virtue
Elmaulle casts Utsusemi: Ni
Elmaulle gains the effect of Copy immage

Movie starts to zoom in
Movie time 3:38

Lalala casts Mage's Ballad II
Lalala gains the effect of Ballad
Akiki gains the effect of Ballad
Ryl casts Utsusemi: Ni
Ryl gains the effect of Copy Image
Olala gains the effect of Ballad
Olala starts casting Cure III on Olala
Absolute Virtue uses Call Wyvern (Light? (Transfixion?))
Eraphe starts casting Cure on Elmaulle
Fannie starts casting Diaga on Aern's Wyvern
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont (Water (Reverberation))
Ryl uses Invincible (Earth (Scission)
Ronana is intimidated by Absolute Virtue's presence
Rasopomosopo uses Astral Flow (Light. (Transfixion))
Astri uses Call Wyvern (Light? (Transfixion?))
Arefelie casts Utsusemi: Ichi
Arefelie gains the effect of Copy Image
Hina casts Mage's Ballad II
Hina gains the effect of Ballad
Iws gains the effect of Ballad
Arefelie uses Chainspell (Lightning. (Impaction))
Astri gains the effect of Ballad
Popumyonmapu gains the effect of Ballad
Florensz casts Cure V
Dreamrainbow recovers 371 HP
Houjuhkye casts Mage's Ballad
Houjuhkye gains the effect of Ballad
Elmaulle gains the effect of Ballad
Ryl gains the effect of Ballad
Ronana gains the effect of Ballad
Arefelie gains the effect of Ballad
Elmaulle casts Cure III
Elmaulle recovers 194 HP
Hina uses Soul Voice (Light. (Transfixion))
Sibigobi uses Manafont (Water (Reverberation))
Mukopekko casts Haste
Mukopekko gains the effect of Haste
Fannie uses Flee
Fannie's movement speed increases.


End 4:00 movie time.
Absolute virtue has bracelets around arms. No vana day/time to compare.

I’m just using quotes to separate the sets.

[quote:1du88l8i]Set One: WATER/LIGHT
Elmaulle uses Invincible (Earth (Scission))
Absolute Virtue uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion)) – SET OPENS
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Basu uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Roopelope uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Iws uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Dreamrainbow uses Meikyo Shisui. (Water (Reverberation))
Astri uses Call Wyvern. (Light? (Transfixion?))
Ruriri uses Benediction. (Light (Transfixion))
Rasopomosopo uses Astral Flow. (Light (Transfixion))
Sibigobi uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Oruu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation))
Hupapa uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion)) – SET CLOSES
Hina uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion)) – TOO LATE
Yanono uses Blood Weapon. (Darkness (Compression)) – TOO LATE
Chakiki uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction)) – TOO LATE
Houjuhkye uses Soul Voice. (Light (Transfixion)) – TOO LATE

Set Two: LIGHTNING (ATTEMPTED LIGHTNING/WATER)

Absolute Virtue readies Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction)) – SET OPENS
Absolute Virtue uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction)) – SET CLOSES
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont. (Water (Reverberation)) – TOO LATE
Chakiki uses Chainspell. (Lightning (Impaction)) – TOO LATE

Set Three: WATER/LIGHT

Absolute Virtue uses Call Wyvern (Light? (Transfixion?)) – SET OPENS
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont (Water (Reverberation))
Ryl uses Invincible – (Earth. (Scission)) (Wrong Element?)
Rasopomosopo uses Astral Flow (Light. (Transfixion))
Astri uses Call Wyvern (Light? (Transfixion?)) – SET CLOSES
Arefelie uses Chainspell (Lightning. (Impaction)) – TOO LATE (Wrong element?)
Hina uses Soul Voice (Light. (Transfixion)) – TOO LATE
Sibigobi uses Manafont (Water (Reverberation)) – TOO LATE

[/quote:1du88l8i]

I know I have no right to be in this conversation as I've not even obtained sea yet, hell this is my first post on bluegartr (lurking for a while), but after watching the video, researching all of the theories I can find spanning the multiple FFXI forums I'm surprised that this one hasn't been given more testing. While I know that the spamming of 2hrs after AV does would technically encompass a more pinpoint "open/close" useage of WS's, there's a chance that by just wantonly spamming 2hr's could be doing more harm than good. I'll stop here.

[Airenn]

(I might get yelled at for this, but...)


Has anyone been able to pull the video to a place where we can download it and play it slower instead of streaming, by chance? Sorry for not looking through 40 pages of BS to try and find that, btw. >.>;


But yea, anyone? Can I DL it somewhere?

[Zosi]

(I've never fought AV)I had also read a theory somewhere, where someone observed AV only using 2-hours matching the jobs of the characters engaged with it. Which could be proof for why few melee are involved..

Proven false over and over and over again. It's also completely illogical. Melee 2hrs are the LEAST dangerous, yet they have BLMs, WHMs and RDMs in alliance, which are the most dangerous 2hrs that AV can use.

Also, if you haven't noticed, many of us have been "thinking inductively" since the video came out. The problem is that the actual facts in the video are scarce, and there's very obviously not enough there to form a complete theory without both a) speculating and b) experimenting. As of right now, there's no c) applying logic to come up with a complete hypothesis, because we simply don't have enough of a base to reason from.

[Dakana]

I have a question
Has anyone taken note of the next 2 hour after you use 2 hours en mass?

Because here is my thought as to why AV does the same hour twice.

*AV uses 2 hour*
and let's say a 10 sec window is opened
and player 2 hours used in that 10 sec are locked for the next round of two hour only.
so let's say bene, mana, and invinc are used

So now AV uses another 2 hour
has any one seen (as per this example) bene, mana, or invinc used here?
and let's say this time we use Call, EES, and SV in the window

Now AV uses a 3rd 2 hour but this time only Call, EES, and SV are "Locked"
so there for Bene, Mana, and Invinc are up for grabs again.

so by this theory we would have to use ALL of the 2 hours at once after an AV two hour to fully lock him

if anyone has seen a counter example just say as it's easily enough discredited.

~Thanks

[Heie]

I'll stick my head under the guillotine.

I think a lot of people are focusing way too much on the movie and forgetting what SE has said when people asked about AV. Lets think, and any help if I forgot something would be nice.

Things SE has said about AV before this video:
1. You need to kill his regen.
2. Your killing speed of AV is not correct.
3. You need to nuke with the same element as the game day.
4. The place where AV spawns has some relevance.
5. You can't stop meteor. But you can avoid it but takes a lot of luck. (Since he only casts meteor under manafont that tells me you can't "lock" his 2hrs)
6. The surounding mobs in the area have to do with AV's 2hr. (They referenced to aerns but didn't say it was just aerns. Could be other mobs have some relevance also.)

Want to say I am missing some things but eh. (All I can think of atm.)

So now go down the list with what they have said and the video.

1. You need to kill JoL spawns to kill Jol regen and half of AV's regen.
We do this already. In the video they just kill 3 sets of shark. Its 9 sets of mobs (3 of each set.) Think they showed them killing 3 sets to show that his regen is killed. Personally don't think holding mobs after that causes a problem. Could be wrong

2. Gonna leave this one alone for now.

3. They showed in the video and people have done it and saw that his regen was killed cause of this.

4. Who knows why. But they fight him there in the video for a reason I guess.

5. Meteor takes a long time to cast. I know for CoP 8-4 you can run out of range of it before the casts gets off. Anyone try this? Don't know what to say.

6. There are no aerns up the video and that leads me to think they have to be killed and not just b/c they would link but have some kinda relevance. Also maybe kill some of the other mobs in the area?

Hope this helps some people think of some new ideas and/or other stuff SE has said that I might have missed that might have a meaning to it. Please don't take this post for .

Don't want to see this thread keep going around in like it has been.

[Kenji]

I don't know if this was pointed out, but:

In the first part of the video where 2 hours are spammed, Hina uses Soul Voice to match AV's Soul Voice. Hina was then able to use Soul Voice 2 more times when AV 2 houred. Hina is the only one that I saw to use their 2 hour 3 times.

Hi!

Your AV post included:

( ) Aerns
( ) RDMs meleeing with staves
( ) Ebon panels
( ) Jailor Weapons
( ) A domaru SAM
( ) PLD/NINs with Earth staves
(*) SE devs using multiple 2 hours
( ) day changes
( ) an RDM/THF using diaga and Flee
( ) using 2hours to lock AV 2hours
( ) Making sure all player 2 hours are down around AV
( ) Splitting up meteor/aeroga damage among multiple targets
( ) suggestions about using no WS's or JAs
( ) Nuking according to day
( ) something else about the SE video

Unfortunately:
(*) This has been mentioned before
( ) This is a stupid idea
( ) This AV insight has already been disproven as nonworkable
( ) You just made yourself look like an idiot
( ) You lack reading comprehension

Here's why your post should not have been made:
(*) You didn't read the full thread
( ) This idea is incredibly old - It was brought up 2 years ago
( ) You don't know jack shit about the fight
( ) You've never fought AV
(*) People are trying to actually discuss *new* things here
( ) You aren't currently watching another LS fight AV and giving us play by play action

In addition:
( ) You're trying to talk about things you don't have a clue about
( ) You're cluttering a useful forum with spam
( ) You are not special nor a unique butterfly
( ) Your ideas aren't well-thought out
( ) You haven't tested your ideas yet - Please go do so and come back

In conclusion:
(*) Run. Now. Don't ever look back.
( ) Set yourself on fire and improve the gene pool
(*) Go play Hello Kitty Online
( ) Stare more at Wafik's Captain Planet picture
( ) Turn the light on, walk upstairs, leave the basement and get some sunshine
(*) Make it a point to read up on things in the future before talking about them

Have a nice day!

Someone improve this, and make it a point to add it to the first post of every AV thread. We sorely need it.

[Ashira]

As of right now, there's no c) applying logic to come up with a complete hypothesis, because we simply don't have enough of a base to reason from.

Who needs logic when everyone would rather rant that the video is completely worthless because 5 LSes rushed in and tried "everything" within 24 hrs of the video being out? Logic is no fun! Emotional outbursts ftw! :D