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[Ashira]

Bloodstone will be Killing JoL at 8est today, if AV pops we may try a no JA/WS theory just for fun, but doubt we will actually get a kill in, just test new theories.

THE FIRST STEP IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEEEEEEVE.

hehe.

I'd really like to see if blowing all 15 2hrs when AV first 2hrs completely locks him up as he has no option; with the theory presented that *should* work. However, it also seems too "easy," and I can see them saying that it sorta cancels itself out. I also wonder if like EES/Mijin would have to be targeted *on* AV or if you could use it on a nearby Aern or one of his Wynavs if his first was Call Wyvern.

It just sucks that we can't get unlimited 2hrs too to test the 'cannot use 2hrs last used' theory. Now at best it's like, use a few and see if it uses any of those particular ones, but if you're only using two or three at a time, it can be hard to use it as absolute proof.

[Starr]

Unless he can't count, there was definitely no one in sea 1 hour ago.

wut

[Cairthenn]

The way he worded it alluded to something other than what was actually in the video, which you would understand if you read the posts below it.

Sea is empty on Bismarck, nobody is even bothering to try.

[rikkitikkitavi]

I dont know if we will have all the jobs there, noone usually comes Cor/pup/drg/drk/rng etc, we just use the easykill jobs, sam blm etc. I wont be there attending but i will make a post and see what they say. Valentines day > wife leaving me due to ffxi.

[Ashira]

I dont know if we will have all the jobs there, noone usually comes Cor/pup/drg/drk/rng etc, we just use the easykill jobs, sam blm etc. I wont be there attending but i will make a post and see what they say. Valentines day > wife leaving me due to ffxi.

Well, you wouldn't need COR/PUP etc.

[Valisk]

Only need the original + RotZ jobs (15 total)

[souleman]

In the pieced together vid showing a proper timeline. I didn't see anyone other then tanks engaging until the last section.

In one of the zooms (the bararea one), one of the PLD uses a Staff WS, and then promplty dies from a TP move. The other PLD uses Invincible, and there is no 2-hour reaction from AV. AV does use 3 different TP moves in the segment. Could be the Staff WS, the wrong day nuke, and the Invincible.

If you look at my post a few pages back showing the party setups, It actually makes more sense now. The BLM group with Hina is in the main aliance most of the time, but near the end, they switch to the Melee group.

The only melee we ever see are THF/WHM (for pulling wynav), 1 SAM, 1 DRG, and the relic DRK. Everyone else is PLD, BRD, RDM, BLM, or able to cure those people.

Coincidetly, I don't remember seeing AV use any 2hours except ones that those jobs can use.

[Ashira]

Coincidetly, I don't remember seeing AV use any 2hours except ones that those jobs can use.

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Also, did Demo have any RNGs? Their AV used EES.

[Valisk]

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Well AV is a DRG type mob so I dont think that applies.

[miokomioko]

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Well AV is a DRG type mob so I dont think that applies.

No, it isn't.

[blev]

iirc, they had no BLM in ally and got manafont -> meteor, unless that was a different LS. reguardless, it happened to someone, so it's obvious that he can use 2hr of jobs that are not present. if i had to guess, i would say the theory about using 2hr right after AV uses one to block them from being used during his next 2hr, could be on to something.

[Jeryhn]

I went over the vid posted by Eander of SE's video and this is what I have as an accounting of people.
I figured this out through a combination of seeing Two Hours used and things like Ballad and Benediction landing on people, as well as spells being cast on AV (Blizzard, Thunder, etc.).

Tank Party:
PLD Ryl
PLD Elmaulle
RDM Arefelie
RDM Ronana
WHM Ruriri
BRD Houjuhkye

Mage Party:
WHM Roopeloupe
BLM Oruu
BLM Sibigobi
RDM Chakiki
SMN Rasopomosopo
BRD Hupapa

Third Party:
BLM Popumyonmapu
BLM Iws
DRK Yanono
BRD Hina
SAM Dreamrainbow
DRG Astri

People Outside the Alliance, but casting spells on the Alliance or Using Two Hours:
BRD Lalala
WHM Akiki
??? Olala
(These three are partied together.)

WHM Florensz
WHM Basu
WHM Eraphe
RDM Fannie (The /THF)
(No obvious things from what I can tell for these people being in a party.)

Cameras: (None of these people appear in the chatlog at all, and none are in a party)
Deitan... (EN)
Ailliya... (FR)
Avertan... (GE)
Richude... (JP)

Let me know if I missed anyone.

PS: Lots of WHMs. Seems you gotta Cureburn AV to death. ;;

[souleman]

The people in the 3rd party change durring the fight. I posted the aliance a few pages ago.

[Jeryhn]

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Well AV is a DRG type mob so I dont think that applies.

No, it isn't.

AV intimidates one of the RDMs wearing Crimson legs in the video. It's safe to assume it's a DRG for all intents and purposes.

[Cylo]

PS: Lots of WHMs. Seems you gotta Cureburn AV to death. ;;

Yes, I count 6 or 7. 7 is an interesting number.

[Ashira]

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Well AV is a DRG type mob so I dont think that applies.

No, it isn't.

AV intimidates one of the RDMs wearing Crimson legs in the video. It's safe to assume it's a DRG for all intents and purposes.

Though Astri uses Call Wyvern every time AV 2hrs, except for the one instance in which a Chainspell goes off and only about 3 2hrs go off, and outside the first clip it doesn't appear they deal with Call Wyvern yet again either; so the ability may be accessible regardless but can be locked up according to the 2hr theory currently out.

The 2hrs had to be shown for a REASON outside of the fact '2 HRS ARE THE ONLY JAS WE EVER USE,' because why would they even bother to use them at all?

[Reality]

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Well AV is a DRG type mob so I dont think that applies.

No, it isn't.

AV intimidates one of the RDMs wearing Crimson legs in the video. It's safe to assume it's a DRG for all intents and purposes.

get that fucking logic out of here.

;)

[nekoshoonen]

What's More
The Two Hours that the people are spamming all seem to be Arcane Taps.
The Arcane Taps are Astral Flow, Chainspell, Manafont and Azure Lore (possibly Tabula Rasa as well).

I've looked through the video several times, and seen several instances where all three of the FFXI + RoZ job Arcane Taps were used. Possible lock to Meteor found?

I posted this on other thread but since it flows from this suggestion i'll copypasta here too:

/speculation on
Here, I'll go out on limb, and please forgive that this part isn't related to something that as yet i can ask anyone fighting AV to try out.
In the other thread someone mentioned the Mana Tap type 2hours (we all know SE has used those for specific Quests {SCH}). maybe 2hours can be subdivided into categories : Manatap type (i.e Manafont, Chainspell), Defensive (i.e. PD, Invinc) Stat Buffs (Mighty Strikes, SV, Meiko) Direct Damage (Mijin/EES) Pet type (AF/Call/Familiar).
(not saying these are specifically the right categories) Maybe these Types of 2hours are in fact the Virtues : 15 jobs 7 types of Abilities? and those lock each other or could work like and elemental wheel.
/speculation off

[*Shinzon*]

Coincidetly, I don't remember seeing AV use any 2hours except ones that those jobs can use.

I don't think many people have taken DRGs to AV and yet AV still used Call Wyvern.

Also, did Demo have any RNGs? Their AV used EES.

Nope, No rangers, beasts, thieves.

[Shiriokumo]

with regards to meteor its nearly instant cast i thinkyou have all 2.5 seconds befor eyour all dead. and aparantly he will instant cast meteor @ 79% regardless of being under mana font some of the people who beat him before he was ninja fixed were saying. I'm still thinking the thing needed to focus on is survivability not trying to lock 2hrs.but to live through them and attackhim while hes under one since it locks him into that 2hr where he wont be spamming Aern TP moves.