The AV Videos: READ THE -OP- AND THREAD BEFORE POSTING!

[*Shinzon*]

I'm willing to bet there are a lot of shells holding on to JoL sets waiting for the secret to come out so they can reap the benefits.

Thats exactly the case with alot of shells, its fucking annoying.

[Rocl]

I'm so shocked that of all the linkshells on all the servers, 5 linkshells are all who are willing to pop AV to test things on it? :/

While I can't speak for the management of my linkshell, I know we don't have that many JoL pops stored up.

[Aemora]

Someone mentioned that some guys did Thunder on Lightninsday and it didn't respond, but Blizzard on same day for 650 dmg and Bene... Then wondering if this is because of spike dmg or wrong nuke.

So why in the video do they nuke 1 > 2 > 3 > 4?

Blm Resist patch!

An Unresisted Tier 1 nuke gimps a Tier 2 nuke, which gimps a Tier 3 nuke which further gimps a Tier 4 nuke. Not that much of a spike damage, which still contributing in damage form!

[Lonewind]

At this point though, the speculations need to stop. We're getting too many variables introduced, and we just need tests, experiments, and documentation now.

My thoughts exactly.

[Kayberry]

At this point though, the speculations need to stop. We're getting too many variables introduced, and we just need tests, experiments, and documentation now.

My thoughts exactly.

I concur. Get out there and fraps your fights!

[blev]

Someone mentioned that some guys did Thunder on Lightninsday and it didn't respond, but Blizzard on same day for 650 dmg and Bene... Then wondering if this is because of spike dmg or wrong nuke.

So why in the video do they nuke 1 > 2 > 3 > 4?

Blm Resist patch!

An Unresisted Tier 1 nuke gimps a Tier 2 nuke, which gimps a Tier 3 nuke which further gimps a Tier 4 nuke. Not that much of a spike damage, which still contributing in damage form!

i just said the same thing near the top of this page.

[Araius]

One of the main LS's here just used 2-3 JoL pops like..less than 48 hours before the video came out. No clue on anyone else attempting.

[Raistlinmajere]

I've been following this thread since the the videos came out and I just wanted to put some opinion/questions:

Firstly, I really like the more recent idea of pacing the fight and possible not using job abilities and weapons skills and i decided to look into it from a different angle than what I've seen. There was the obvious quote from SE stating that people were fighting at the speed or something of that sort which would go along with not zerging or doing major spike damage, but in addition to that there is the name of the NM. Absolute Virtue. The virtues being the names of the seven sea gods - all obvious i know, but going along with the current theory, the name makes sense. Zerging, and doing all you can to take down AV in the shortest amount of time seems far from virtuous, even if trying to kill it in the first place isn't virtuous >.> Maybe it has more with being the better person. AV is the one to originally attack you and maybe you are supposed to react in a more "kind" way. Even the title you get is "Virtuous Saint".

The second thing i noticed was the text displayed when AV spawn/dies. When he spawns it says:

"At lassst the time has come...
The ssscattered fragments of my thoughtsss once again mine. Long forgotten memoriesss filling me once more...
However... these memories generate sssuffering... These thoughtsss... bring remorssse...
Tell me... for what sssearcheth thou, to travel this far? Show me... by what principlesss art thou driven?"

The emphasis of this is on mostly the last line - Showing him by what principles you're driven

When AV dies he displays the following text:

"By thy principlesss... I have been freed by the chainsss placed upon me from time immemorial.
Thy path... extends to the far reaches of time and ssspace... But sssomeday... thou shalt reach... thy destin..."

There it is again. He says he is freed, but only by your principles. Could this have seen a hint on how to fight AV that has been around since he existed? I would just find it slightly humorous if this was the case.

The only other thing i have to add is a small possible alteration in theory. Perhaps, instead of it being JA's and WS's and such that cause AV to react, maybe it is simple having enmity above a certain number. Essentially, you provoke him enough (not the JA), and he'll get pissed and meteor your ass.

Nuking with lower tier nukes would enable BLMs to do a decent amount of damage without reaching large amounts of enmity. Just a random idea i thought of.

[Stinky]

Darkhearts (Ramuh) has I think 6 or 7 more JOL pop sets and will be playing with it again over the next couple days. Hopefully we'll get some good data.

[AstralMage]

Can someone explain the chains or whatever on his arms, at the end of the fight, for those of us who haven't fought him?

[Shiriokumo]

those "things" on his arms are Bracers ala typical Aerns. it highly increases attack strength and speed.

[Furtwangler]

Can a Mod or someone edit the OP with like actual things ls's should try atm or theories that can be debunked? My ls will prob be going at this all day sunday but idk what to have them do because most stuff I know of has been tested already and such. (then again I haven't read much of the last 10 pages but w/e )

[Lordwafik]

The only other thing i have to add is a small possible alteration in theory. Perhaps, instead of it being JA's and WS's and such that cause AV to react, maybe it is simple having enmity above a certain number. Essentially, you provoke him enough (not the JA), and he'll get pissed and meteor your ass.

Nuking with lower tier nukes would enable BLMs to do a decent amount of damage without reaching large amounts of enmity. Just a random idea i thought of.

He could be just like Big Bomb where if you do over X damage, he grows bigger (or in this case, he 2 hour rapes your ally )

[ronin sparthos]

Hmm... i know standard Aerns use bracelets whenever they feel like it really but when does AV use his bracelets? The times ive actually fought him he never pulled them out, he didnt really when the Manafonted Meteor was checkmate >.> but yeah, when does he pop his bracers? For the people that have actually fought him longer.

[Mertron]

The only other thing i have to add is a small possible alteration in theory. Perhaps, instead of it being JA's and WS's and such that cause AV to react, maybe it is simple having enmity above a certain number. Essentially, you provoke him enough (not the JA), and he'll get pissed and meteor your ass.

Nuking with lower tier nukes would enable BLMs to do a decent amount of damage without reaching large amounts of enmity. Just a random idea i thought of.

He could be just like Big Bomb where if you do over X damage, he grows bigger (or in this case, he 2 hour rapes your ally )

Doing no damage to AV can cause him to 2hour also though, happened to us (and many others I'm sure) in the process of just kiting him around while people change jobs for an attempt. Unless of course, people are using JA's in the process of kiting (if the use of JA's is indeed a trigger for rapeage >.>)

[Raistlinmajere]

The only other thing i have to add is a small possible alteration in theory. Perhaps, instead of it being JA's and WS's and such that cause AV to react, maybe it is simple having enmity above a certain number. Essentially, you provoke him enough (not the JA), and he'll get pissed and meteor your ass.

Nuking with lower tier nukes would enable BLMs to do a decent amount of damage without reaching large amounts of enmity. Just a random idea i thought of.

He could be just like Big Bomb where if you do over X damage, he grows bigger (or in this case, he 2 hour rapes your ally )

The only thing with this is that it wouldn't explain the said retaliation to things such as shield bash which don't do as much damage.

[Mertron]

The only other thing i have to add is a small possible alteration in theory. Perhaps, instead of it being JA's and WS's and such that cause AV to react, maybe it is simple having enmity above a certain number. Essentially, you provoke him enough (not the JA), and he'll get pissed and meteor your ass.

Nuking with lower tier nukes would enable BLMs to do a decent amount of damage without reaching large amounts of enmity. Just a random idea i thought of.

He could be just like Big Bomb where if you do over X damage, he grows bigger (or in this case, he 2 hour rapes your ally )

The only thing with this is that it wouldn't explain the said retaliation to things such as shield bash which don't do as much damage.

Because Shield Bash is still a Job Ability and people think they might trigger 2hour usage as well.

[fat_kat]

hi,

I dug up a few vintage pics of what AV is like with those red bracelet things on. These are from the time LB first found the wall of justice. It had been locked (not using 2 hours but still casting magic -- this was during the short time when it was killable) but the second it hit 59%, the bracelets came out and its AI changed to massive rapega mode. I don't remember hearing of anyone else that killed it having to deal with bracelet mode so thought Id share these.

These pics are all ~ 2 years old


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8...wyvernsjk9.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3...aceletsul6.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5341/4297eesql4.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2...verns55tb6.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1...nemijineg5.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7...jinspamgx1.jpg


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4...respam3gl5.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4...7302f5f8c6.jpg

[Jeryhn]

Notice in those screenshots, AV is "Ready"-ing every Two Hour.

[Mertron]

2 instances of Invincible > Benediction > Lateral Slash > Mijin Gakure

If AV uses Invincible, someone has to fire off one of those other 2hours to prevent the sequence?

Or there is a way to stop the Invincible in the first place?

Interesting if the bracelets pop at 59 percent every time. 79 percent is chainspell, 59 percent is Bracelets (and possible 2hour spam aside from chainspell?), and still other crap to be determined at 39 and 19 possibly :/