Demo's AV Attempt #3.

[Clynt]

We weren't swapping people in and out of alliance. The times we used the corresponding 2 hr after him, it didn't do anything. Both times that we all just spammed 2 hrs as soon as we saw the animation we didn't actually have the corresponding job or didn't have the 2 hr up(first was soul voice, brd's didn't have 2 hr; second was perfect dodge, didn't have a thf). Spamming the different tier thunder spells on lightningsday must have done something, blm's weren't getting resisted at all, doing ~800 thunder 4s. Didn't take any pictures, so I can't help you there. But ya, no 2 hrs were locked from anything we tried, no 2 hrs were reset on people without the use of a corsair.

[Max™]

Hmmm, it's still not enough data to say doing the 2hr match/spam doesn't have an effect.

Mentioned in the third fight that no Mana/Bene/Mijin, which is a small victory in itself, and sounds like it would be pro if you could reproduce it.

Assuming something you did in the third fight prevented those three fight enders, it could either be a specific 2hr in response to a different AV 2hr, burning one of those 2hrs after an AV 2hr, or later matching 2hrs prevented those above.

That's why we're asking for SS's, if we can see say...

Absolute Virtue uses Chainspell.
*bunch of 2hr spam*
Redmage#3 uses Chainspell.
Blackmage#1 uses Manafont.

Then the rest of the fight has no Manafont, that's worth trying to repeat.

If instead you get

AV uses Chainspell
Rdm uses Chainspell
Blm uses Manafont
AV uses Manafont
AV casts Meteor, game over time now.

The theory is busted soundly.

It's apparent so far that using one 2hr (Invincible) didn't prevent him using it again, but what other 2hrs were used when AV did Invincible, and did he use THOSE 2hrs?

If so, was there a wait, did he use a different 2hr in between them?

[Jelto]

I doubt that reliable assumptions can be made from 30 min worth of his 2hours. He used 5-8 2hours tops within that time and so its hard to determine if 2nd or 3rd 2hour used has locked it from being used again later on.

[Demosthenes11]

There are 2 possible scenerios to me

current theory of mine:

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

Or:
The theory of nobody in alliance(hatelist?) having 2hour up. It just doesn't make sense for it to be people in area, because even SE isnt that stupid

[Aymee]

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

I was flamed mercilessly on the big thread for saying this, because apparently you fail if you don't read 28 pages of posts before replying. So let me relay a message from over there--GO READ ALL 28 PAGES OF THE OTHER THREAD BEFORE TALKING, gawd!

Anyway, I'm with this, too. Have the Demo people managed this yet, or are still just spamming all 2hrs @ start still? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't working. C'mon, take a chance and keep a thf and drg in the alliance! This would still require some degree of luck, and pain of swapping people in and out. I'd love to see someone try while having all 15 [original/adv] jobs in the main ally, lol

[Jelto]

In the video SE was not even close to having all of the jobs. They had a lot of pld,rdm,blm and thats about it. With this in mind it is doubtful that 2hours have to be the same as the 2hours used by av.

[BerenTebogo]

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

I was flamed mercilessly on the big thread for saying this, because apparently you fail if you don't read 28 pages of posts before replying. So let me relay a message from over there--GO READ ALL 28 PAGES OF THE OTHER THREAD BEFORE TALKING, gawd!

Anyway, I'm with this, too. Have the Demo people managed this yet, or are still just spamming all 2hrs @ start still? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't working. C'mon, take a chance and keep a thf and drg in the alliance! This would still require some degree of luck, and pain of swapping people in and out. I'd love to see someone try while having all 15 [original/adv] jobs in the main ally, lol

Pretty sure the first time he proposed the idea was like 8 hours before you even found the thread, go away.

[Aymee]

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

I was flamed mercilessly on the big thread for saying this, because apparently you fail if you don't read 28 pages of posts before replying. So let me relay a message from over there--GO READ ALL 28 PAGES OF THE OTHER THREAD BEFORE TALKING, gawd!

Anyway, I'm with this, too. Have the Demo people managed this yet, or are still just spamming all 2hrs @ start still? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't working. C'mon, take a chance and keep a thf and drg in the alliance! This would still require some degree of luck, and pain of swapping people in and out. I'd love to see someone try while having all 15 [original/adv] jobs in the main ally, lol

Pretty sure the first time he proposed the idea was like 8 hours before you even found the thread, go away.

And has anyone tried it yet? Apparently not. Demo apparently didn't want to read all 28 pages like how I didn't want to. So yea, go die.

[Lordwafik]

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

I was flamed mercilessly on the big thread for saying this, because apparently you fail if you don't read 28 pages of posts before replying. So let me relay a message from over there--GO READ ALL 28 PAGES OF THE OTHER THREAD BEFORE TALKING, gawd!

Anyway, I'm with this, too. Have the Demo people managed this yet, or are still just spamming all 2hrs @ start still? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't working. C'mon, take a chance and keep a thf and drg in the alliance! This would still require some degree of luck, and pain of swapping people in and out. I'd love to see someone try while having all 15 [original/adv] jobs in the main ally, lol

Pretty sure the first time he proposed the idea was like 8 hours before you even found the thread, go away.

And has anyone tried it yet? Apparently not. Demo apparently didn't want to read all 28 pages like how I didn't want to. So yea, go die.

Shut the fuck up and get back to the kitchen, there are men handling business here.

[Max™]

There are 2 possible scenerios to me

current theory of mine:

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

Or:
The theory of nobody in alliance(hatelist?) having 2hour up. It just doesn't make sense for it to be people in area, because even SE isnt that stupid

I'm thinking it might also be a secondary version of this, where if he uses Soul Voice and you Manafont, it doesn't really do anything, but if someone uses Meikyo after SV in the right time frame, it could lock Meikyo.

Just going by the usual patterns he had.

Either way this seems to be the track to follow, dupe his 2hr with one in your alliance, then use a 2hr you want to avoid.

Edit: holy fucking rofl@ Wafik, masterfully done.

[*Shinzon*]

Actually we did, however, didn't have the time necessary to seperate the shit from the repeated stuff, from the good information. People who haven't fought it or are repeating information should shut up because it makes it difficult to discern information. We assumed that there were only three possibilities based on the video. We attempted to test the final theory on our last attempt and we were unable to match the 2hour.

Like I said we could only confirm the damage from the nukes, hopefully people will take what we have shown and advance. We'll be going tomorrow so this thread will be bumped at that time if we get another AV pop.

[Aymee]

Actually we did, however, didn't have the time necessary to seperate the shit from the repeated stuff, from the good information. People who haven't fought it or are repeating information should shut up because it makes it difficult to discern information. We assumed that there were only three possibilities based on the video. We attempted to test the final theory on our last attempt and we were unable to match the 2hour.

I apologize that my original question about whether you'd tried this or not was hijacked by 15-year-old boys. Thank you.

use the same 2hour right after he uses it, and any 2hour used in a certain window after that will lock that 2hour.

Example: Counter soul voice with soul voice, have a blm also 2hour right after the brd. See if that locks it (call manafont)

I was flamed mercilessly on the big thread for saying this, because apparently you fail if you don't read 28 pages of posts before replying. So let me relay a message from over there--GO READ ALL 28 PAGES OF THE OTHER THREAD BEFORE TALKING, gawd!

Anyway, I'm with this, too. Have the Demo people managed this yet, or are still just spamming all 2hrs @ start still? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't working. C'mon, take a chance and keep a thf and drg in the alliance! This would still require some degree of luck, and pain of swapping people in and out. I'd love to see someone try while having all 15 [original/adv] jobs in the main ally, lol

Pretty sure the first time he proposed the idea was like 8 hours before you even found the thread, go away.

And has anyone tried it yet? Apparently not. Demo apparently didn't want to read all 28 pages like how I didn't want to. So yea, go die.

Shut the fuck up and get back to the kitchen, there are men handling business here.

Thanks for not actually answering my question and justifying my comment. I'll go make some cookies and mop my floors once someone actually tries it and reports on it, fair enough? You're a big strong man, go pop him and show me how powerful you are! YOU could be the one to shut me up! You can't possibly give that up. Such maturity here, really.

Shinzon beat you though, so I suppose I'll keep my word and go bake some cookies. ...Well ok, after salvage.

[Cairthenn]

Have you tried zooming in on your text box and then skipping forward in time?

Ok.

Lol.

Just Lol.

[Max™]

How are you supposed to do salvage from the kitchen?

Really though, thanks for posting that and clearing it up Shinz, good to know what was tested and what wasn't fully.

[Demosthenes11]

Have you tried zooming in on your text box and then skipping forward in time?

best post in any AV thread to date LOL

[Maxxthepenguin]

Have you tried zooming in on your text box and then skipping forward in time?

If you do that you don't get drops

[Leonock]

Have you tried zooming in on your text box and then skipping forward in time?

EL OH EL.

[Max™]

Fuck, how did I miss the lulz, or to post that...

/fails

[tymora]

How about this...

AV starts popped with all 2 hours in "usable list".

After AV uses a 2 hour, it checks the list of people on hate list to see who has that "used up 2hour". It replenishes its "usable list' with the 2 hour used IF it can find someone with the 2 hour still up.

e.g.
AV uses Invincible.
(AV looks at hate table and checks 2 hours. AV finds a PLD with Invincible up. AV adds Invincible back to usable list.)

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I would assume Demos has more than 1 PLD active and only 1 person used in response to the 2 hour right?

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A variant could be that AV regenerates its entire 2 hour usable list with the people on its hate list after every use of a 2 hour which could explain why people were spamming their 2 hours.
e.g.
for all people on hate list
{
if (Member has 2 hour)
List.Add(2 hour)
}

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3rd variant could be that AV regenerates its entire 2 hour list to the full set, THEN checks the hate list for 2 hours to see what can be removed from the usable list.
e.g.
if (all plds on hate list does not have Invincible up)
{
remove Invincible from usable list.
}

[Demosthenes11]

It's never going to that complicated; nothing in this game is that complicated

Just been disproven anyways