Guilliotine Damage.

[tonic]

ok i need a little help here i am not huge on the melee jobs i have BRD PLD BST SMN and now DRK at 75 my dark has decent gear, wearing considering i dont do Kings with my ls. atm i ws with voyagers sallet heca feet hume costom gloves Royal Knights breeches(i know gimp central :3) hauby chiv chain(working on shadow gorget atm) potent belt ammement +1 rajas and ruby ring ethreal and minuet earrings bomb core. i know /sam is big deal to alot of ppl for drk's to have again i dont really have other jobs that needed till now and i am the kind of person that lvls a job in about a month or less... so i didnt stop to lvl it its now lvl 30 after a couple days of expin. is /sam sub going to make that much diff? i mean in sky on aura statues i only get maybe 500-700 guilliotines .. is that normal? i dont know i do know i need /sam sub finished and i need black cuisses. i'm first inline on heca hands and i will get a harness pretty soon aswell. if anyone can hook me up some tips or maybe some gear that isnt gunna be 3mil a piece that works well plz do i would really apreciate it!!! ty

[Sess]

I didn't see you mention Brutal Earring, but I would get one of those ASAP. For legs, at least on Alexander server, Black Cuisses are pretty affordable now. I'd get a pair for WS, and TP (until you land homam). For head, I've gone back to Ohat (not seeing full Guillotine returns every 2 or 3 guillotines was really frustrating, with Ohat it's not more like every 4 or 5 guillotines). For rings, I still WS Woodsman/Rajas for the same reason as Ohat, and because I haven't had much time or interest to finish ToAU and get my U.Ring.

Keep in mind, for Guillotine you will only see very nice numbers on double attack procs usually.

[tonic]

:O ok cool ty. yeah i happen to be tier 1 on homam legs atm with a couple other soo i may get them soon or not for a while with my lotting luck XD anyways. thanks i'll look into a brutal as for guill returns my tp return seems to be about 16-18 is that normal or should that variate more?

[Raen Ryong]

Head: O Hat / Adaman Celata if you have enough acc
Neck: Justice Torque / PCC / Chiv Chain... I wouldn't use Gorget even over Chiv Chain personally
Earrings: Abyssal/Assault/Attack Earring + Brutal
Body: Haubyberk
Hands: Custom M Gloves, Gigas thing if you have enough acc I guess, AF+1
Rings: Woodsman/Ulthalam's + Rajas
Back: Amemet+1 / Forager's
Waist: Potent Belt
Legs: Black Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

Should yield you nice numbers. /sam doesn't do a huge amount to the damage, just the frequency and the TP return. Hasso allows for more consistently high Guillos though (+acc)

[Therin]

Best Guillo setup, not including Salvage, Nyzul, or King gear, is this: (substitutable gear in parentheses)

Main: Tredecim Scythe
Sub: Pole Strap
Ranged: ---
Ammo: Fire Bomblet (Bomb Core)
Head: Chaos Burgeonet +1
Neck: Peacock Charm (Chivalrous Chain)
Ear1: Assault Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon/Hauberk +1 (or NQ)
Hands: Chaos Gauntlets +1 Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1: Rajas Ring / Accuracy Ring (Thunder Ring works too)
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring / Accuracy Ring (Thunder Ring works too)
Back: Abyss Cape (Forager's Mantle / Amemet Mantle +1)
Waist: Warwolf Belt (Potent Belt)
Legs: Black Cuisses
Feet: Chaos Sollerets +1 / Hecatomb Leggings

[Kainstryder]

Any reason why not Chaos Gauntlets +1 over Heca?

[Therin]

Any reason why not Chaos Gauntlets +1 over Heca?

Because I forgot about them.

Which is sad because I use them - and Chaos Sollerets +1, too. +5 STR, +5 MND.

[Lukias]

This is mine (Some is HQ, NQ is good of course)

Main: Perdu Sickle
Sub: Pole Strap
Ranged: ---
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Heca. Cap
Neck: Justice Torque (Same as Vandyr use Chiv .chain over gorget, since gorgets only effect the first hit if I remember.)
Ear1: Abyssal Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Ebody
Hands: Alky Braclets (Or Chaos Gauntlets +1 if I need more acc)
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Flame Ring (Don't really care to get a Triumph to get the 2 mnd back)
Back: Abyss Cape
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Onyx Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings +1

Definitely work on 8 scythe merits, makes the biggest difference in my mind.

[RKenshin]

Guillotine being a multi-hit WS that has peaks on double attacks/multiple double attacks, I prefer getting enough accuracy to cap/nearly cap accuracy over anything else first. My gear set accomplishes this pretty well and looks like this:

Weapon: Perdu
Sub: Pole Strap
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Heca
Neck: Justice
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Assault
Body: Adaman
Hands: Chaos+1
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: Mars's
Back: Abyss
Waist: Life
Legs: Black
Feet: Heca

[ubermonkey]

Assuming salvage gear, would full ares be the best gearset overall (yeah some pieces are weaker than alternatives, hi2u hands) but the set bonus seems like it would make up for it?

[Lukias]

Assuming salvage gear, would full ares be the best gearset overall (yeah some pieces are weaker than alternatives, hi2u hands) but the set bonus seems like it would make up for it?

Eh, you give up a lot just for 5% more double attack.

[Awoir]

Guillotine being a multi-hit WS that has peaks on double attacks/multiple double attacks, I prefer getting enough accuracy to cap/nearly cap accuracy over anything else first. My gear set accomplishes this pretty well and looks like this:

Weapon: Perdu
Sub: Pole Strap
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Heca
Neck: Justice
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Assault
Body: Adaman
Hands: Chaos+1
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: Mars's
Back: Abyss
Waist: Life
Legs: Black
Feet: Heca

Body: Adaman

Adaman

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/images/2/2...escription.png

[Raen Ryong]

I'm in serious danger of being whooshed but... nah, you couldn't seriously think he meant that =p

EDIT: Also, the text zooming text should be blue.

[Beckwin]

Full Ares is pretty bad. Thanks to the dex buff, Heca gear provides a good amount of accuracy and more str for WS, and for tping there's aces/homam, but the body is generally workable for tp and ws assuming the right mobs and merits etc. As for tping, you lose 13-15% haste for 7% DA and 19ish attack 15ish? acc. That's a huge haste loss. Maybe has some HNM uses but still pretty limited.

[tonic]

okay thanks ^^ i am watching this pretty close it just dawned on me to get perdu not that i am high enough assault rank (which is sad) mostly cuz i spam salvage with some friends. which i keep using all my tags on the golden salvage cuz i can solo it XD anyways as for other stuff abyss is a down the road i am the only other 75 drk in ls that needs it atm (not alot of drks XD) soo i am pretty good if it drops. i +1 the drk helm first before hands right? as for the merits i am working on those atm over all a lot of help guys thank you very much ^^ :D :bastok:

[RKenshin]

Guillotine being a multi-hit WS that has peaks on double attacks/multiple double attacks, I prefer getting enough accuracy to cap/nearly cap accuracy over anything else first. My gear set accomplishes this pretty well and looks like this:

Weapon: Perdu
Sub: Pole Strap
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Heca
Neck: Justice
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Assault
Body: Adaman
Hands: Chaos+1
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: Mars's
Back: Abyss
Waist: Life
Legs: Black
Feet: Heca

Body: Adaman

Adaman

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/images/2/2...escription.png

More MND = l337 Guillotine damage. Plus I have VIT if I pull hate. You noob.

Way to go and get the colors wrong too.

[Jyoshi]

I use:
Head: Heca cap
Neck: PCC
Ear1: Assault
Ear2: Triumph (vampire at night)
Body: Plastron (Haub+1 for High Eva)
Hands: Alk. Brc. (Adaman mufflers for high eva)
Ring1: Woodsman
Ring2: Sniper
Back: Foragers
Waist: Potent (should i use warwolf?)
Legs: Black cuisses
Feet: Heca

now, if i were to get af+1 hands and feet, would it be better to not use alkys and heca? and is chiv chain better for the str?

[Raen Ryong]

The 3STR from the Chiv Chain is gonna make a very marginal difference compared to the loss in damage from a missed hit which a PCC could prevent.

I also don't like Warwolf for Guillotine =/ if I use Potent I have about 4~5 more acc with a deficit of 2str; now I can either keep it that way for consistency (normally what I do) or on low eva mobs, Feint'd mobs etc, can switch out some of that acc for greater amounts of str/attack in other slots.

[Zekyr]

I guess mine is near identical to the others.

Tred Scythe
Pole Strap
Bomb Core
Ohat
PCA
Assault
Brutal
Hauby (Debating trying homam over this when I get, less atk, bit more acc, chances of Triple Attack better?)
Chaos Gauntlets +1
Rajas
Ulthalam's
Amemet +1
Life Belt (Yeah yeah overloading acc maybe, but I only miss a guillo hit maybe 1/10 times)
Black Cuisses
Heca feet

About the only things I cant decide on is body piece (Hauby? Heca? Homam?) and waist (Warwolf maybe better).
Amemet+1 > Foragers, Bomb Core > Bomblet are other minor upgrades.

I really liked your multi-hit excel chart Ruke, I meant to send you a message asking about your opinions on Hauby (non Adaman variety) vs. Heca harness vs. Homam, each seem to have something viable to provide and apart from going out and trying I'm not sure which would be better. I can't do a controlled test on bunnies since it's a multi-hit so I'd have to try it out during exp or something, and just wanted to have a better idea going in of what to expect.

As an aside from that, heca or homam for 300% SATA WSes (spiral/ground strike)? Heca has the STR mod going for it, which would be an improvement to all WSes, but Homam carries that magical triple proc chance which is a huge boost as well. Would the minor increase over time from heca outweigh the occasional TA proc? Considering I SATA WS in 7% DA as well (nothing honestly has proven better, a bit of STR for minor increases in damage versus a good chance on at least 50% more) would the same extend to TA on homam? Even with only 7% DA as /thf I still notice DAs often in TP and probably around 1/10 of my WSes seem to be DAed (Yes it seems higher than the stats would lead to show). What about stacked with an Algol? Any change in preference?

So what say the master of FFXI data collection? Been wondering for a while and I guess this thread led me to start typing it all out finally.

[BroodIfrit]

I have a few questions, too.

Would you advise Hecatomb Harness over Haubergeon/Hauberk? Same accuracy, more STR, so you're really only missing the attack and minot DEX boost. Also, ever since my Black Cuisses were ripped off, I've been using Jet Seraweels for my weapon skills. I know scythe ws have a MND boost, and I haven't noticed a real drop in my overall damage with them. This won't be a permanant thing, but for now it seems to work out nicely. Any thoughts?

Main: Perdu Sickle
Sub: Pole Strap
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Chs. Burgeonet+1
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
L. Ear: Abyssal Earring
R. Ear: Brutal Earring
Body: Hecatomb Harness
Hands: Chs. Gauntlets+1/Hecatomb Mittens
L. Ring: Rajas Ring
R. Ring: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Abyss Cape
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Jet Seraweels
Feet: Chs. Sollerets+1/Hecatomb Leggings