Absolute Virtue & You: A Learning Experience

[Elipse]

Out of curiosity do you know if 2 hours had passed between his usage of chainspell?

On that note, does anyone know if an NM will reset 2 hr if left unclaimed for a while" (full regen to 100%)

[ByeByeTasai]

I think it's like Xa newX it's own Hate system. He spawns and he's mean but limited to say CS, CW, and PD. And then every time you do a wrong action his TP goes up and he gets access to use different moves until he just freaks out. Can anyone confirm that he's used a 2hr other then CS, CW, or PD from the moment you first pulled him? (not after sac holding)

[Bacchus]

I have some more pics, no filters at all. Used Manafont again in the last one.

Not going to fill forum with pics, so click them. It's photobucket, it's safe. These pics are in order and mostly from 2hours used by AV, except first one. I just got a kick out of the comment made.

Oh and it's lightsday.

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[Sifer]

Out of curiosity do you know if 2 hours had passed between his usage of chainspell?

On that note, does anyone know if an NM will reset 2 hr if left unclaimed for a while" (full regen to 100%)

less than 2 hr between the 2 chainspells and I think i remember some mob that doesnt reset 2 hour after he regens but cant really remember which one it is :/

[siknoz]

someone mentioned that 3 aerns in his area are :
RDM / BLM
THF / BRD
NIN / WAR

During the course of this AV fiasco....

1) I saw him use Chainspell, but never manafont (BLM Aern was UP)
2) I saw him use Soul Voice, but never Perfect Dodge
3) I saw him use Mijin Gakure, but never Mighty Strikes

I didn't check the other 2 aern up though, I just know the one was a BLM because it used Flare on a Fenrir.

Working on SS's now...

[Guitarman]

What job is Keichan? He/she used sleep 2, then blind which seemed to be what triggered manafont.

[Zoot]

My screenshots have some....stuff on them but this is what we did that time:

Absolute Virtue uses Mighty Strikes.

Elrondel uses Call Wyvren.
Releena uses Invincible.
Blackice uses Invincible.
Keichan uses Chainspell.
Danery's uses Invincible.
Soloo uses Invincible.
Zoot uses Chainspell.

~within 5 seconds

This was followed by:

EDIT: Invincible was the next two hour used.
Blood Weapon
Hundred Fists
Manafont

He was very easy to handle until the Manafont.

We had RDM/THF kiting wynavs this time which seemed to work a whole lot better, and our outside ally killing aerns. Used, not readed, all of them. No wrong element of the day was used. Only JA used that was not Call Wyvren or Dismiss was our two hours. ~1:20 seconds elapsed between the last banish cast and when AV manafonted.

Kei is RDM/NIN

[nsx]

Blind looks like it triggered Javelin and Manafont in the last 2 SS?

Dark element debuff on lightsday?

SE just used sleep and dispel from rdms?


edit - only saw SE use dispel/sleep

paralyze blind slow etc may be a no-no. offensive type debuffs?

[Shiriokumo]

Do I get brownie points for 2x parry? >.>;

lol. Ok here is a summary of our AV (SD on fairy, was busy fighting to post).

we started JoL with 16 people, most of us didnt come on AV jobs/subs or gear. It poped and we decided to train it to footprint only to find out it doesnt work anymore (our last fight was so long ago <_< ). I have alot of screenshots but i dont think they have any more info, I'll post them if people requested.

1st of all, I was a NIN/war for jol and didnt change it for AV. our tanks were NIN/WAR x 2 and a PLD/nin for the most part, lots of peope got switched in and out tho and im not sure what their subjobs were.

In the way to the footprint AV used Perfect Dodge, Chainspell and Call Wyvern in that Order, all these 3 didnt have a "readies" message. We tried to lock it on footprint but we found out that it just deaggros when u enter CS so we decided to let it walk back to pop point and sac it with low lv jobs.

We tried to get rid of the wynavs by nuking them and AV with the element of the day, however that attempt was a failure.

During this time alot of random people came to poke AV and run, AV used used soulvoice with a "readies" message.

On the next pull, we used thundaga 3 instead. AV used explosive impulse and medusa javelin several times(before it even got in melee range), it then used hundered fists and proceeded to rape the alliance. during that fiasco, we managed to kill the wyverns. Sadly tho, AV used call wyvern again when one of the people decided to suicide on it between our 2 attempts (wasnt close enough to read the message).

random people continued poking AV while we were getting ready for our last attempt, AV used Chainspell during those (no "readies").

We pull it one last time (and apparently people weren't ready), it used Meiko Shisui on the pull and used explosive impule and medussa javlin enough time to wipe the whole alliance so we called it a day.


in short:

AV uses Perfect Dodge.
AV uses Chainspell.
AV uses Call Wyvern.
BLMs cast Aeroga 3 on AV+Wynavs, Wynavs didnt die.
Random WHM pulls AV with dia. AV readies Soul voice.
AV uses hundred fists.
AV ???? Call Wyvern.
AV uses chainspell.
AV uses Meiko Shisui.


The whole fight was watersday, windsday, and iceday. Also it happens that a summoner (that tag'd AV at a point or another, its hard to remember the order of events from screenshots) summoned garuda but i dont think it mattered anyway.

Cant think of the reason it readied soul voice but in this fight it was:
1- 4th SP used.
2- The one after Call wyvern.
3- 1st SP after nuking with the element of the day.
4- resulted from nuking with an element other than the element of the day (Dia on windsday).

Its quite possible that "readies" signifies AV entering a new mode, in this case it was prolly changing from enfeebled to not so since it was nuked with another element.

EDIT: added 2nd call wyvern.

all in all it was a combo effort of many linkshells and a few nabs ruined it for everyone by constantly pulling it and cfh'ing it. ie. vizionz and a few others.

Me and sigurdud were the ones stallin on lvl 1s with utka and sonicblaze using reraise song but people kept pulling it when everyone was weakend so we only had the two real attempts at it. one thing worth noting is on the way back from palace to spawn kerfuffle was able to shadow bind it while it was in chainspell and he sat there for a like 15 seconds like a lost little puppy not casting on anyone.

[Reality]

another LS on quetz has AV being sac'd atm, i'll let them post themselves if they want to add any information

[siknoz]

all in all it was a combo effort of many linkshells and a few nabs ruined it for everyone by constantly pulling it and cfh'ing it

Was I one of the nabs? :'(

[Tajin]

Aeroga - Medusa Javelin looks very very cheap. So in other words, other than "holding" AV until he decides to use manafont, there has no been any real progress has it? (Objetive question, not trying to dismiss anyones efforts/time)

[RKenshin]

Keichan is RDM/NIN.

We're likely to call it a night soon. People are tired and we're running too low as is.

I think we made quite a bit of progress as far as narrowing down our ideas/theories go, but still no certainty as to what causes what. We couldn't hold it long enough to get conclusive evidence on patterns we noticed, and unsure as to whether they're just coincidences or not due to that.

However using JAs almost certainly appears to be tied to TP attacks, at the very least. Frequency of spell use also appears to coincide with whether you're casting spells of the same day on him.

[Shiriokumo]

all in all it was a combo effort of many linkshells and a few nabs ruined it for everyone by constantly pulling it and cfh'ing it

Was I one of the nabs? :'(

lul nah dude i mean the people from bindinghonor honurablesouls and linkshells like that that just came to poke fun and get a screen shot of them getting a medusa javelin in the ass lol that ruined it for the rest. mind you you musta lost put loads of xp tonite lol

[Reality]

one thing i didn't pay much attention to, i'm sure someone else knows the answer to this

when AV has wynav's out, does he melee at all, or does he let his wynav's melee and he only uses magic/2 hours? i ask because during every sac hold i've witnessed, the sac'r always dies by a wynav, and AV never throws a punch, just curious if it's important or not

[ByeByeTasai]

Me and sigurdud were the ones stallin on lvl 1s with utka and sonicblaze using reraise song but people kept pulling it when everyone was weakend so we only had the two real attempts at it. one thing worth noting is on the way back from palace to spawn kerfuffle was able to shadow bind it while it was in chainspell and he sat there for a like 15 seconds like a lost little puppy not casting on anyone.

The tactic we used to pull the Wynavs for nuking was I went up and Shadowbound AV then ran to the BLMs with the Wynav's on me. AV did nothing and shadowbind lasted for 30 seconds. I survived about 3 attack rounds from the Wynavs casting shadows but died right before the nukes went off. Only had 4 BLMs nuking though and most of them only dropped to 50% but one of them went down to 15%. I see other people were having trouble killing the Wynavs as well tonight, so maybe kiting them is really what's best. Might prevent him from summoning 6 at a time when in Bracelet mode and if you pull them far enough away from him I'd be willing to bet they won't Mijin Gakure.

[Darkwill]

Another thing we mentioned is as soon as an Aern is white or repop after being killed, AV seems to 2hr or cast -GA IV

[ByeByeTasai]

one thing i didn't pay much attention to, i'm sure someone else knows the answer to this

when AV has wynav's out, does he melee at all, or does he let his wynav's melee and he only uses magic/2 hours? i ask because during every sac hold i've witnessed, the sac'r always dies by a wynav, and AV never throws a punch, just curious if it's important or not

The Wynavs move faster then AV, and he takes a second to pull out his Polearm. That is why the Wynavs usually kill you. Unless he Fast Casts a Tornado II or something before they get to you.

[Zoot]

We couldn't prove anything about the corrolation between AV and the aerns but there is strong reason to believe two hours may be tied to the spawning and existing of these mobs.

Moving the area where we fought AV changed the frequency in which he would use certain two hours.

In our last attempt we used all types of magic and blew all of our two hours before we engaged him and he spammed a lot more TP moves, Manafont killed us.

You can live through any two hour he has to give you except Manafont Meteor. We were unable to find a way to stop Manafont.

More stuff, but brain fried.

Again, it seemed alot easier having two RDM/THF and a NIN? Maybe, was too tired, kite the wynavs. Then you free up your black mages to killing aerns spawns.

[nsx]

Another thing we mentioned is as soon as an Aern is white or repop after being killed, AV seems to 2hr or cast -GA IV

Did you check and see if this happened if the aerns were pulled far away?

Would be curious to know if AV 2hrs/ga4 instantly if they were to go white say 50 distance away

Could be possible to just hold them away from the spawn area to negate those 2hrs