Absolute Virtue & You: A Learning Experience

[Reposado]

There is 1 that ppl havent tryd (as far as i have read)

That is!!!

The Sea Obis and Sea Gorgets that you get from Trading in Organs from diffrent Sea mobs to a NPC in Tav.

maybe they have some Hidden effect on AV?

I hope you are not fuckin serious.

[BerenTebogo]

I..I...oh god..it's not worth it.

[Lockecole7]

To be honest I think people need to start damaging him with same element/day nukes. I feel thats part of keeping him contained. You can't just hold him and have him eventually rape you, and then act like you don't know what to do. Nuke him, even if its just 1-2 BLMs doing it, keep it up, alternate between 1,2,3,4 and see if that helps reduce his TP regen/Current 2hour usage and obviously change his mode to make him alil more docile.

Also think there's a big relation between the Aerns and his 2hours.

So couple things I think people need to try.
1) Nuke him with the element of the day, I don't care if its just 1 or 2 BLMs you can spare, I believe its essential to keeping him contained, not just killing him.

2) Do something with the surrounding Aerns. Seems like he's using 2hours based off of what Aern is up, or he only has the chance to use a certain 2hour when an Aern is up. Maybe we feel we're locking Manafont, but in reality its just that the Aern isn't up, and when he does pop, we're getting hit with it. Do something with the Aerns basically, wether its hold the Aern job you want to 2hour, or killing them and holding the opposite pop of that. (RDM instead of BLM, THF instead of BRD etc)

3) Obviously keep mistakes to a minimum, no offensive JAs, no WSes.

4) Try and alternate 2hours after he 2hours, like what was said before me by Zoot. (the1,2,3,4 (no more 2 hours to combat, so Manafont). I believe after every 2 hour of AV's, we should have at least 1 BLM who manafonts, just like SE did. (preferably only one BLM, and try and regen their 2hours after you've cycled through with a COR. Perhaps this will dictate how quick you need to kill him, based off of how many manafonts you have to keep him contained.

5)I think we need to be careful with how much we throw at him also, just like we used to be careful with Tiamat, Fafnir etc when it came to just zerging them with melee and spamming the mob with TP. No reason AV isn't different. (beside the obvious, apparent TP regen.)

[Silenus]

Is it possible/likely that AV's regen pushes his maximum HP up at the same time?

I'd say they could be correlated, not necessarily an increase but like has been said before, the lower his hp gets the less hp he has.

O.o

[BerenTebogo]

To be honest I think people need to start damaging him with same element/day nukes. I feel thats part of keeping him contained. You can't just hold him and have him eventually rape you, and then act like you don't know what to do. Nuke him, even if its just 1-2 BLMs doing it, keep it up, alternate between 1,2,3,4 and see if that helps reduce his TP regen/Current 2hour usage and obviously change his mode to make him alil more docile.

Also think there's a big relation between the Aerns and his 2hours.

So couple things I think people need to try.
1) Nuke him with the element of the day, I don't care if its just 1 or 2 BLMs you can spare, I believe its essential to keeping him contained, not just killing him.

2) Do something with the surrounding Aerns. Seems like he's using 2hours based off of what Aern is up, or he only has the chance to use a certain 2hour when an Aern is up. Maybe we feel we're locking Manafont, but in reality its just that the Aern isn't up, and when he does pop, we're getting hit with it. Do something with the Aerns basically, wether its hold the Aern job you want to 2hour, or killing them and holding the opposite pop of that. (RDM instead of BLM, THF instead of BRD etc)

3) Obviously keep mistakes to a minimum, no offensive JAs, no WSes.

4) Try and alternate 2hours after he 2hours, like what was said before me by Zoot. (the1,2,3,4 (no more 2 hours to combat, so Manafont). I believe after every 2 hour of AV's, we should have at least 1 BLM who manafonts, just like SE did. (preferably only one BLM, and try and regen their 2hours after you've cycled through with a COR. Perhaps this will dictate how quick you need to kill him, based off of how many manafonts you have to keep him contained.

5)I think we need to be careful with how much we throw at him also, just like we used to be careful with Tiamat, Fafnir etc when it came to just zerging them with melee and spamming the mob with TP. No reason AV isn't different. (beside the obvious, apparent TP regen.)

I agree with this, I think holding it patiently is also stupid.

Keep it slow, but keep it up.

[Ashira]

Is it possible/likely that AV's regen pushes his maximum HP up at the same time?

I'd say they could be correlated, not necessarily an increase but like has been said before, the lower his hp gets the less hp he has.

O.o

Think Aspidochelone.

[BerenTebogo]

Is it possible/likely that AV's regen pushes his maximum HP up at the same time?

I'd say they could be correlated, not necessarily an increase but like has been said before, the lower his hp gets the less hp he has.

O.o

Think Aspidochelone.

Yeah that's what I was getting at, sorry, am tired lol

[Ashira]

Is it possible/likely that AV's regen pushes his maximum HP up at the same time?

I'd say they could be correlated, not necessarily an increase but like has been said before, the lower his hp gets the less hp he has.

O.o

Think Aspidochelone.

Yeah that's what I was getting at, sorry, am tired lol

It's because you stay up all night to insult everyone who posts retarded stuff. Go sleep! Maybe that's why you're so cranky at everyone -- because you don't get enough sleep!

[Silenus]

Got it; AV having scaleable HP might be important

[Suiram]

The confusion I think is because he said it backwards with HP increasing, and then someone else said a tautology. If something has 200k HP, and you do 10,000 damage to it, it has 190k/200k or 95%. Maybe 3 seconds later it regens 2.1k HP so it has 192.1k/200k or 96% HP, or maybe it "regens" by losing 2.1k max HP, so it's at 190k/197.9k HP or 96% HP. The latter is what people suppose AV does based on wall-era Benediction screenshots that people reposted above.

[BerenTebogo]

[quote=Ashira]

Is it possible/likely that AV's regen pushes his maximum HP up at the same time?

I'd say they could be correlated, not necessarily an increase but like has been said before, the lower his hp gets the less hp he has.

O.o

Think Aspidochelone.

Yeah that's what I was getting at, sorry, am tired lol

It's because you stay up all night to insult everyone who posts retarded stuff. Go sleep! Maybe that's why you're so cranky at everyone -- because you don't get enough sleep! [/quote:2xebzn3n]

Beating the tards verbally is an addiction and I need help, I'd like you to respect my disability ashira

[/anon]

Or maybe a programmer just decided to change his amount of Max HP. I think it was stated by SE that they changed AV a few times with out intial notice to the public.

[Suiram]

Or maybe a programmer just decided to change his amount of Max HP. I think it was stated by SE that they changed AV a few times with out intial notice to the public.

Doubtful, since I'm pretty sure the Benediction screenshots with the discrepancies occurred close enough together that there wasn't any intervening server maintenance.

[Rocl]

Or maybe a programmer just decided to change his amount of Max HP. I think it was stated by SE that they changed AV a few times with out intial notice to the public.

Pretty sure all the Benediction screenshots are all from around the same "AV Era". The WALL ERA

[Suiram]

Although it's possible that it's different now, if that's what /anon meant. I think it's pretty widely believed that JoL had the same sort of thing going on when BG popped their first JoL, compared to now where it is significantly lessened or non-existent.

[Massimo]

[quote=/anon]

So far its the only time i seen AV use a 2 hour triggered by an ability from character outside the party.

Didn't see he wasn't in the main party, my bad, so it wasn't his BP.

Just noticed Squirtle provoked a Wynav, and AV immediately starting to ready Soul Voice.
Might be connected, I don't know, Flash is still the other possibility.

I don't think flash nor bio or any other spell it seems triggers his 2 hours, so far all seem to be trigger by an ability. Yes even eating a sausage might trigger his 2 hour because it contains the word "uses" in it. Still could be wrong but I looked into it and more leans towards the "uses" then spells that cause his 2 hour.[/quote:2x37brqu]
Here's the log from Demo's AV fight, which actually doesn't prove/disprove anything, other than it being Xer's Shield Bash that caused that Perfect Dodge, which I've heard so many people say. There was 4 Dia's and 2 JA's being used, just before AV started readying his PD though.

[20:25:00] Darkstaruk uses Fealty
[20:25:02] Debutiss starts casting Dia II on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:02] Galatea casts Burn.
[20:25:02] Absolute Virtue resists the spell.
[20:25:02] Furyspawn starts casting Dia on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:03] Plagueddeath uses Meditate.
[20:25:03] Baishin starts casting Dia II on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:04] The Aern's Wynav readies Flame Breath.
[20:25:04] The Aern's Wynav readies Sand Breath.
[20:25:04] The Aern's Wynav readies Hydro Breath.
[20:25:04] Baishin casts Dia II.
[20:25:04] Absolute Virtue takes 0 points of damage.
[20:25:04] Xer casts Flash.
[20:25:04] Absolute Virtue is blinded.
[20:25:04] Persona casts Carnage Elegy.
[20:25:04] Absolute Virtue resists the spell.
[20:25:05] Rizner starts casting Dia on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:05] Gromit starts casting Paralyze on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:05] Absolute Virtue readies Perfect Dodge.
[20:25:05] Raken starts casting Thunder on Absolute Virtue.
[20:25:05] [Shield Bash] 0:00
[20:25:06] Absolute Virtue dodges the attack.
[20:25:07] Absolute Virtue dodges the attack.
[20:25:07] Gromit casts Paralyze.
[20:25:07] Absolute Virtue resists the spell.
[20:25:08] Aidyn was defeated by the Aern's Wynav.
[20:25:08] Absolute Virtue uses Perfect Dodge.
[20:25:08] Xer uses Shield Bash.
[20:25:08] Absolute Virtue takes 31 points of damage.
[20:25:08] Sylfa casts Dia.
[20:25:08] Absolute Virtue takes 0 points of damage.
[20:25:09] Absolute Virtue dodges the attack.
[20:25:09] Furyspawn casts Dia.
[20:25:09] Absolute Virtue takes 0 points of damage.
[20:25:09] Baishin uses Chainspell.
[20:25:09] Debutiss casts Dia II.
[20:25:09] Absolute Virtue takes 0 points of damage.

I don't really know. Because there's no JA being used in the Dev's video, nor is the WHM doing anything but Dia, according to Sifer.

The other option is, of course, it just being a TP2H move, but we haven't seen it ready its 2-hour more than once per fight iirc, so that wouldn't really make sense to me.


We need some more screenshots/videos of the fights.

[/anon]

is Plagueddeath in the alliance?

And check Darkstaruk too.

[siknoz]

Ya, the problem with the AV on fairy was that everything that happened to it was "outside people" poking him to do stuff. It wasn't just one ls/alliance trying to fight him. Like what was being stated before, I think "the pace is wrong", even though we can't tp zerg rush him we still have to do some kind of damage to him in order to get any "pattern" out of him.

Still was fun watching everyone eating medusa javelin's though.

[Massimo]

is Plagueddeath in the alliance?

And check Darkstaruk too.

I think Plagueddeath is killing mobs outside, never see his name hitting AV.

Darkstaruk is tanking it.

Edit: Also, his 3 Wynavs are using Breaths when he is readying is 2-hour. The theory of it being a TP move, might really not be a bad idea, supposing mobs's pets act like players'.

[/anon]

Umm... so you can MPK a whole party in a way, if you somehow get hate casting cure on the tank and using a /JA and getting lucky enough for AV to use Manafront because of that....which if this is true this would really suck because you can't have pl's because it would be best to use /blockaid because you never know.