Absolute Virtue & You: A Learning Experience

[Eternallight]

as far as i can tell, going thru every single screen shot or vid of AV, the 2hs used after AV uses his 2h, were not used next...

while this is minor, because he still is a bitch, its a possible way of prevent manafront, chainspell, benediction, and even if charm spam annoys you to death, soul voice...

can anyone find any proof that using a 2h doesnt remove a 2h from AV's next useage, because at this point, this would fall into the valid area of "law" based on science, because there is no way to disprove it...

manafront was used in every vid from SE too, and AV never used it (and we know how much AV loves to use that) also i believe benediction was used plenty of times as well (and i dont remember seeing AV use bene) but clearly those 2h that couldnt be used, were dropped plenty of times (hund fists, etc) and the one time when AV used call wyvern from what i remember (may have been his first 2h) i dont believe i saw any spawn

[Darkwill]

Just to support Seditedi on job fighting it theory that was debunked, there was absolutely no bst close to AV, nor in the alliance nor outside alliance and it used Familiar,

[psnsonixx]

You say av never used manafont in the SE video but people need to STOP assuming what they didn't see didn't happen.. we saw SHIT for a video from SE.. they could have hidden anything they want.. how do they REALLY handle the wynavs? Are they kiting them away to a hidden blm pt to kill? bring them back to main to kill? Or run off forever? How are they handling the aern's in the area? Are they holding them out of site? or killing on pop? we don't know, they don't show us.. they show us a COUPLE of minutes of an assumed 2 hour fight based on the clock in game.. I think it's safe to say we missed alot of the fight and can't make any valid assumptions.. even what we saw appears to be bogus with them using 2 hours multiple times... we assume its multiple videos put together.. that hurts us even MORE.. there's a million theories, and they could all be partially right with the proper twist, so don't ever write something off until the variants have been tested.. I'm honestly just happy they didn't have jailer weapons on in that fight or else heh.. (then again.. they could have used them in parts we didn't see!!!!.. jk..)

edit: And who's to say the aerns have to be there to use the 2 hour.. MAYBE the aern has to be up and claimed and that prevents that 2 hour (IE go claim/sleep the blm and it can't manafont).. I'm not saying its right, i'm just giving a different twist.. stop looking at shit so 1 way.

[Rufio]

as far as i can tell, going thru every single screen shot or vid of AV, the 2hs used after AV uses his 2h, were not used next...

while this is minor, because he still is a bitch, its a possible way of prevent manafront, chainspell, benediction, and even if charm spam annoys you to death, soul voice...

can anyone find any proof that using a 2h doesnt remove a 2h from AV's next useage, because at this point, this would fall into the valid area of "law" based on science, because there is no way to disprove it...

manafront was used in every vid from SE too, and AV never used it (and we know how much AV loves to use that) also i believe benediction was used plenty of times as well (and i dont remember seeing AV use bene) but clearly those 2h that couldnt be used, were dropped plenty of times (hund fists, etc) and the one time when AV used call wyvern from what i remember (may have been his first 2h) i dont believe i saw any spawn

I had thought this, as well. If the timeline that has been patched together between the videos is true, there is one instance of Soul Voice being used after one 2HR and it being the next one he used. Of course, since there is no factual evidence to assert inarguably that the fight by the Dev. Team only took ~1HR, it is entirely possible that those two instances were unrelated and this theory is plausible. Of course, perhaps it has been debunked already, but it would make sense that there may perhaps be a window after he 2HRs in which those used have a chance of inhibiting him from using his next time, then, when he 2HRs, the inhibition is reset and a new one is established based on those used within the new window.

[Massimo]

as far as i can tell, going thru every single screen shot or vid of AV, the 2hs used after AV uses his 2h, were not used next...

while this is minor, because he still is a bitch, its a possible way of prevent manafront, chainspell, benediction, and even if charm spam annoys you to death, soul voice...

can anyone find any proof that using a 2h doesnt remove a 2h from AV's next useage, because at this point, this would fall into the valid area of "law" based on science, because there is no way to disprove it...

manafront was used in every vid from SE too, and AV never used it (and we know how much AV loves to use that) also i believe benediction was used plenty of times as well (and i dont remember seeing AV use bene) but clearly those 2h that couldnt be used, were dropped plenty of times (hund fists, etc) and the one time when AV used call wyvern from what i remember (may have been his first 2h) i dont believe i saw any spawn

I had thought this, as well. If the timeline that has been patched together between the videos is true, there is one instance of Soul Voice being used after one 2HR and it being the next one he used. Of course, since there is no factual evidence to assert inarguably that the fight by the Dev. Team only took ~1HR, it is entirely possible that those two instances were unrelated and this theory is plausible. Of course, perhaps it has been debunked already, but it would make sense that there may perhaps be a window after he 2HRs in which those used have a chance of inhibiting him from using his next time, then, when he 2HRs, the inhibition is reset and a new one is established based on those used within the new window.

What a new and wonderful' idea.

[Tygiuu]

as far as i can tell, going thru every single screen shot or vid of AV, the 2hs used after AV uses his 2h, were not used next...

while this is minor, because he still is a bitch, its a possible way of prevent manafront, chainspell, benediction, and even if charm spam annoys you to death, soul voice...

can anyone find any proof that using a 2h doesnt remove a 2h from AV's next useage, because at this point, this would fall into the valid area of "law" based on science, because there is no way to disprove it...

manafront was used in every vid from SE too, and AV never used it (and we know how much AV loves to use that) also i believe benediction was used plenty of times as well (and i dont remember seeing AV use bene) but clearly those 2h that couldnt be used, were dropped plenty of times (hund fists, etc) and the one time when AV used call wyvern from what i remember (may have been his first 2h) i dont believe i saw any spawn

I had thought this, as well. If the timeline that has been patched together between the videos is true, there is one instance of Soul Voice being used after one 2HR and it being the next one he used. Of course, since there is no factual evidence to assert inarguably that the fight by the Dev. Team only took ~1HR, it is entirely possible that those two instances were unrelated and this theory is plausible. Of course, perhaps it has been debunked already, but it would make sense that there may perhaps be a window after he 2HRs in which those used have a chance of inhibiting him from using his next time, then, when he 2HRs, the inhibition is reset and a new one is established based on those used within the new window.

What a new and wonderful' idea.

I think you've been diagnosed... with sarcasm poisoning.

/medic.

[Guitarman]

I've been sitting and watching the video over and over again. Before i get into any crazy theories: In the video, at 3:13, AV uses chainspell. In response, a couple players use their 2hours, ok we know all this. But, av uses aero V, then aeroga. If you notice just as the screen goes black, the sam and drk rush in to fight after the aeroga. Almost like they knew it was safe to come back and fight. Chainspell from AV had only been up a second or two, I wonder why the melee were able to run back up to it.

[psnsonixx]

I've been sitting and watching the video over and over again. Before i get into any crazy theories: In the video, at 3:13, AV uses chainspell. In response, a couple players use their 2hours, ok we know all this. But, av uses aero V, then aeroga. If you notice just as the screen goes black, the sam and drk rush in to fight after the aeroga. Almost like they knew it was safe to come back and fight. Chainspell from AV had only been up a second or two, I wonder why the melee were able to run back up to it.

I mentioned this in the earlier thread, because I was thinking like you are.. but now that I re-read what you say, I wonder if they came in not because they knew it was safe, but to help split the damage.

[Guitarman]

And yet the sole DRG never fights until the very tail end. Why even bring the DRG then?

[Rufio]

And yet the sole DRG never fights until the very tail end. Why even bring the DRG then?

Call Wyvern!





Or, he's just some retard in the Dev. Team who was like, "Hay, guyz, I wana b in teh AV vid, 2!"

[Cog]

{Shadow of Death} >> {Tachi:Gekko} = {Fragmentation}

EDIT it's catastrophe for sure? or only because someone said the drk had Apoc ??

[blev]

{Shadow of Death} >> {Tachi:Gekko} = {Fragmentation}

if you are referring to the NA version of the AV video, nobody ever used shadow of death, that was relic WS Catastrophe. if you aren't talking about that, wtf are you referring to?

[arshesney]

{Shadow of Death} >> {Tachi:Gekko} = {Fragmentation}

if you are referring to the NA version of the AV video, nobody ever used shadow of death, that was relic WS Catastrophe. if you aren't talking about that, wtf are you referring to?

Probably making a SC for the BLMs to burst on

[Starr]

And yet the sole DRG never fights until the very tail end. Why even bring the DRG then?

SE trying to trick people into believing DRG is gewd?

[drwaffles]

AV's been up for a while on Bismarck for some LS called Foobar. Nothing special, they've wiped twice (once immediately after it popped then once to SV + Virelai rape) and for some reason are sacrificing level 75 people to keep it from depopping. If they even bother to attempt again I'm willing to bet they'll call it a day after they inevitably wipe for a third time.

[ByeByeTasai]

The more and more evidence comes out the more and more I'm starting to think that we've been on the right path but are looking at it completely wrong.

The hint they gave was 2hrs are related to the number of Aerns remaining. So I'm starting think it could be possible that AV has 3 sets of 2hrs and that killing, or kiting the Aerns away from AV might be whats determining what 2hrs he uses. We know that he almost always starts from pop using Chainspell, Perfect Dodge, Invincible and such. Maybe this is how he acts when 3 Aerns are either up or down. And when we either kill one, pull one away, or one re-pops maybe this is actually what Triggers Manafont and other devastating 2hrs.

Also the retaliation method doesn't seem to be working like we had hoped although he does seem to be harder when we do a lot more to him. This leads me to think that either:

A# all of his spells, WSs, and 2hrs are TP based.

B# he has an aggression level programmed into him. Example would be the more WS's and Meleeing and enfeebles this aggression level rises causing him to maybe gain tp quicker, slows his recast times down, and gives him a melee/haste boost(I say a haste boost cause he seems to attack a hell of a lot faster when raping the alliance), and to counter this you nuke with the element of the day which could slowly bring his aggression level down. This would make sense being the mind blowing way to enfeeble AV.

I tend to think that burning your 2hrs after AV doesn't enfeeble him in anyway, I really don't think that that was what they were getting at. But as I've said before this hint might have been showing us that when AV 2hrs you have a 45 second window to full attack(possibly without raising his aggression level if that theory holds water) without triggering him to do things other then what the 2hr sways him to do, this fits with the latest observation of melees running in right after a Chainspell. This of course can be debunked if anyone can answer this question... Has anyone seen him stack 2hr abilities since they fixed the glitch?

I'm fairly confident that once we get him into Bracelet mode (I realize this doesn't go with past win experiences, but I feel that everything seemed glitched about that) he might lose the ability to use magical 2hrs such as Manafont, Chainspell, Benediction, and Soul Voice. Otherwise I just don't see this being any more winnable now then it ever has been, because like mentioned before SE did say that 2hrs were never meant to be locked.

[Lordender]

For people who don't sac AV and straight up claim to attempt AV from the getgo could you time it in RL minutes from the point of pop until the time it uses manafont kinda curious about something.

[*Shinzon*]

I think something to be considered is still the possibility of losing whatever 'progression' you make on AV from the JoL fight. We're gonna try to test it tonight if we can get AV to pop. Engaging AV right away may prove to be useful if in fact there is a sort of progression that follows from JoL's death and Av's spawn. And Yes, we'll also do that tonight referring to the time between spawn and manafont.

[Psion]

Ok, i remember people mentioning AV uses 2 hours in sets at certain % of hp. Does anyone happen to know the different sets? if he uses say mighty strikes + hundred fists + blood weapon as a combo or chainspell + manafont + benediction, i have another idea... but i dont want to post without the info, and i cant seem to find out where i read that ><;

[Saga]

Ok, i remember people mentioning AV uses 2 hours in sets at certain % of hp. Does anyone happen to know the different sets? if he uses say mighty strikes + hundred fists + blood weapon as a combo or chainspell + manafont + benediction, i have another idea... but i dont want to post without the info, and i cant seem to find out where i read that ><;

yeah, couple years ago right after wall of justice was patched and people started locking him accidentally, prior to the lock there was a pattern of two hours he used, they were in sets of 3 but i dont remember what they were.