Absolute Virtue & You: A Learning Experience

[Seditedi]

I guess you aren't thinking on the same wavelength as me, but it's not likely that a JA implemented a year or so after AV was released would be required to kill it.

That would be the retard wavelength?

In the video, AV doesn't Manafont. In the video, players use their 2hours at will, and in the video the aerns in the surrounding area apparently just don't exist.

Fealty will allow people to survive Meteor, and thus live to attempt different things on AV rather than wiping, killing morale, exp and whatever progress has been made.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER THAT SE DIDN'T INTEND IT TO BE DONE LIKE THAT. AV has been in the goddamn game for close to 3 full years and its still not been killed without glitch exploits, its pretty goddamn clear nobody knows exactly what the fuck SE intended players to do, including all the crackpot theory hordes.

Uh, no it's definitely not retarded..
It's fucking common sense that a JA implemented 1 year + after AV was introduced is not going to be the only way to get around Meteor. Yes, I agree that using Fealty is ONE way to get around it, but use some fucking logic for christ sakes; there are definitely other ways to get past Meteor. I think you should get your head out of your ass before you throw insults at me for making a statement about a Job Ability that wasn't even around at the time of AV's release. If you think Fealty is the only way to survive Meteor then you are horribly mistaken.

I'm done posting in this thread because insults as a result of the sheer stupidity of others are the only things that come of it.

[Zoot]

I give up. Get one of these people who've never even tanked AV use fealty and tank it with their awesome paladins. Since apparently two of the greatest resources are people who have never even attempted it.

[Maytag]

The only thing worth testing at this point is to find out what countering AV's 2-hours with our own actually does. Why is this the only thing worth testing, you ask?

Because unlike every other crackpot theory, this one didn't come from some guy posting on a message board. It comes from a little company, you might have heard of them, they're called Sqaure Enix. Yeah. You see, they're the ones who programmed AV. I'd think they would know... wouldn't you?

And yet the general attitude seems to be "well we tried it and nothing obvious seemed to happen... but in those brief clips I didn't see any job abilities so maybe that's what makes him 2-hour! Oh, a couple times when Aerns popped he 2-houred, so... if we can just stop them from popping! Oh, I know...! They're all using 2-handed weapons in the video! WOW, THAT's IT!"

Wrong wrong wrong, these are all dead ends! The video is telling us to do something, don't you think testers should be focusing all thier effort on that? If that doesn't work, the video is worthless plain and simple and we need to wait for video #2. That's really all there is to it!

There's even someone in this thread who fought AV, and said that when they tried countering all of AV's 2-hours with Manafont, he stopped using Manafont! Don't ya think this deserves a little more looking into??

For the love of God, please drop all of these dead-end theories, and just focus on testing what SE says will work! (And yes, that means go ahead and use JA's! It doesn't matter!)

[Sifer]

Question to demo ls, I noticed that you lowered AV's regen again in another video, do you have a 100% working method to lower it? Is it just nukes of element of day and fight at spawn point?

[*Shinzon*]

Nukes of the same day(Mostly proven) and fighting it near the ??? to spawn jol(not verified) appeared to lower its regen.

[ronin sparthos]

I think its obvious that fealty isnt the answer to somehow surviving Manafont but it is indeed a strategy not thought of by SE but could be used by the playerbase to subvert half of AVs 'invincible strategy'. Its surely not what SE was trying to hint to everyone but its something to try. Still wont stop the inevitable benedictions anyways.....

I think it'll come down to more testing, doing tests and noting what works and what doesnt work in as concise a method as possible because the normal forum method is causing a shitload of repeat suggestions.

Perhaps Rocls locked thread will do better, suggestions to him -> posted -> tested -> results (with evidence) -> theory has merit/been debuked -> rinse -> repeat since the current trend of the whole AV situation seems to be going south. Perhaps some JP/FR/GR forums have ideas that could be worth testing. (for those handful of linkshells that are actually doing testing)

Meanwhile AV has gone to party with his friend Almighty Apkallu in the land of NMs that torment the playerbase.

[siggy]

I am sure it is just beating a dead horse at this point, but we killed JoL and took a shot at AV tonight. We decided the best bet was slow and steady, and to keep its pets and surrounding mobs down.

When we claimed we did not use any JA or 2 hours and just went to hold and build hate. We started nuking light nukes according to the day (Thunder 1 & 2 on Thuderday). It Used EES immediately on claim (Blinked by tank) then as we had up nuking lightly for a few minutes, it used manafont Comet -> Meteor -> Comet ->Meteor. This cause a wipe and end of the night.

The only possible thing I can see that may have caused it (ie. only non thunder spell cast on it) was a Paladin casting Flash prior to it using manafont.

We didn't have much desire to test other theories tonight, will be popping another JoL or 2 this weekend and will test some others then.

[Shinsei]

Okay keep in mind, yes I have seen the screenshots, I've read the posts, but it still baffles me

Why does Fealty make you take less damage from Meteor? Is it some bug or that needs fixing or what?

I'm just asking cause all my life I've only known it to resist enfeebles...like paralyze, silence, gravity, etc. I never got why it makes you take less damage from meteor unless I'm missing something

which is why I'm asking if it's a glitch/bug or w/e that needs fixing?

Just never seen how resisting enfeeble and taking less damage from a spell fell into the same category?

Anyone care to explain? lol

[Charismatic]

I think only the SE Devs and programmers can answer that one.

I would have said that it could be due to the spells being non-elemental, but even that wouldn't make sense because enfeebling magic spells do have a base element.

The only thing I was ever to come up with while thinking about it is that any move without a base element (as rare as they are in FFXI) can probably be resisted using Fealty. Why? Well, I don't know.

EDIT: But I don't think Fealty reducing Meteor damage was intended.

[Lyriane]

If you look at the last page, you'll find the answer as to why it was probably a glitch. I tend to agree with Ismarc.

I disagree with that assessment. If locking its abilities was a result of killing a pet when it was trying to activate a pet move, as suggested - this is undoubtedly something that's handled in the general AI system code rather than AV specific code. Therefore, such a glitch would be likely to be exhibited on other mobs with pets. However, not one such report exists for any other mob.

[juicymama]

Have anyone thought about maybe SE didn't lock the 2hr, but limit what AV do during that 2hr?
I watched the 4 videos in slow motion many times and notice after the GM counter with the matching 2hrs, AV still perform an action related to the 2hr that it just used, but instead of spamming it, it only performs a related action once.

Say if it chainspell, it will only cast aeroga IV once or twice instead of spamming.
And from the video, when it SV, it only cast charm song after a long time, and during sam 2hr, it only ws once.

Maybe, just maybe, there was never locking 2hr but only limiting it to a minimum effect.

I know this might not solve the benediction issue but it would be nice if someone can check if matching 2hrs can limit the effect of AV's 2hr.

[*Shinzon*]

Have anyone thought about maybe SE didn't lock the 2hr, but limit what AV do during that 2hr?
I watched the 4 videos in slow motion many times and notice after the GM counter with the matching 2hrs, AV still perform an action related to the 2hr that it just used, but instead of spamming it, it only performs a related action once.

Say if it chainspell, it will only cast aeroga IV once or twice instead of spamming.
And from the video, when it SV, it only cast charm song after a long time, and during sam 2hr, it only ws once.

Maybe, just maybe, there was never locking 2hr but only limiting it to a minimum effect.

I know this might not solve the benediction issue but it would be nice if someone can check if matching 2hrs can limit the effect of AV's 2hr.

You didn't watch our video then.

[Maytag]

It's a waste of time speculating about a glitch. It doesn't necessarily mean his 2-hours can be locked... and even if they can, the glitch does nothing to reveal the method.

As for Fealty and Meteor... apparently, Fealty will reduce the damage caused by Meteor from any mob. In addition, it also seems that it will greatly reduce the damage of any mob's Mijin Gakure. This doesn't seem to fit with the JA's description, so I would guess that it is a glitch.

[juicymama]

Have anyone thought about maybe SE didn't lock the 2hr, but limit what AV do during that 2hr?
I watched the 4 videos in slow motion many times and notice after the GM counter with the matching 2hrs, AV still perform an action related to the 2hr that it just used, but instead of spamming it, it only performs a related action once.

Say if it chainspell, it will only cast aeroga IV once or twice instead of spamming.
And from the video, when it SV, it only cast charm song after a long time, and during sam 2hr, it only ws once.

Maybe, just maybe, there was never locking 2hr but only limiting it to a minimum effect.

I know this might not solve the benediction issue but it would be nice if someone can check if matching 2hrs can limit the effect of AV's 2hr.

You didn't watch our video then.

You only matched Invincible but you don't have any melee at that time(other than pld but they were hitting 0 anyway before invinc) so
can't really tell if its invincible was weaken. And you couldn't match PD because I think u mentioned in older post no thf was in alliance at that time. Same for Call Wyvern. I only spotted those 3 2hrs in the demo video, maybe I missed more.

I am just trying to think outside the box for more possibility.

[*Shinzon*]

I've matched Manafont on our 4th, and 6th attempts and it had no effect on either chainspell or Manafont.

[Jeryhn]

Skimmed through this new thread a bit, and I didn't see it, so I'll ask:

Anyone try the Arcane Tap theory yet? That is Manafont + Chainspell + Astral Flow in response to a Two Hour used by AV.

[Stromgarde]

I don't think matching identical 2 hours is the key. Back on page 3 or so it was mentioned that using Blood Weapon ended Hundred Fists early. Maybe rather than being a 1:1 counter, each 2H with a duration has a corresponding one that ends it. Wanted to test this tonight, but AV didn't pop on our JoL.

Edit: It was page 3 in this thread

[Maytag]

Skimmed through this new thread a bit, and I didn't see it, so I'll ask:

Anyone try the Arcane Tap theory yet? That is Manafont + Chainspell + Astral Flow in response to a Two Hour used by AV.

Not specifically, but people have already tried using many 2-hours in response to AV's, of which includes the arcane taps. (Not sure about Astral Flow.) There is no obvious response.

[Lockecole7]

I don't think matching identical 2 hours is the key. Back on page 3 or so it was mentioned that using Blood Weapon ended Hundred Fists early. Maybe rather than being a 1:1 counter, each 2H with a duration has a corresponding one that ends it. Wanted to test this tonight, but AV didn't pop on our JoL.

That's actually pretty interesting. I mean in the instance in which the 2hour was ended, it was actually a bad thing, (I assume they were trying to invincible through his hundred fist and do damage) but all in all, has anyone tried to replicate that scene, by blood weaponing and not doing damage during a HF? (even though HF seems to be pretty rare.) If everytime he ended it and started nuking/WSing again, then we might be on to something. If one 2hour is interruptable, then hopefully all of them are.

P.S. Aware this has been stated and restated 1000 times, but I really think the fact that he stopped mid-2hour at any point, for any reason, is a huge deal, and shouldn't be ignored. yes it was bad at the moment, but I can see it being positive on anything but a KC DRK zerg.

[Nui]

I find it funny that after three years, after the long awaited video, people are still not only clueless, but even more puzzled than before. Way to go Square-Enix. I'd rather stick to asking myself "Does God exist?" At least I would have a chance to find out after death.