Absolute Virtue & You: A Learning Experience

[Ligro]

more than likely means that the setup a whm/nin can use is nowhere near any amount a rdm would be able to hit...which should be a given

[Nagamaki]

I think what I meant was pretty damn obvious, even RDM gets a significant part of its Fast Cast from gear overall. Little bits of FC gear are the only source available for PLD/NIN and NIN/DRK, not exacly in massive amounts.

I'm pretty baffled that anyone could read my post and somehow think I was saying WHM gets native Fast Cast.

The point was that Fast Cast is not absolutely necessary for utsu bounce tanking, it certainly helps but no single tank can keep blinking AV's attacks continuously anyway, the whole idea is that it needs to bounce and keep hitting paper shadows all around.

[TB]

I'm with you on this Elipse, but I would use "only" 4 PLD instead of 6, so:

PLD,PLD,WHM,WHM,RDM,BRD
PLD,PLD,WHM,WHM,RDM,BRD

This should be enough to indefinately hold AV (except Manafont).

And if people argue about too much MP needed to cure up 4 Tanks during Chainspell, why don't you have the LD spread out, so -ga only hits 1 single tank? If hate is even, AV should move from tank to tank and not -ga the same person twice.

[Seditedi]

I think what I meant was pretty damn obvious, even RDM gets a significant part of its Fast Cast from gear overall. Little bits of FC gear are the only source available for PLD/NIN and NIN/DRK, not exacly in massive amounts.

I'm pretty baffled that anyone could read my post and somehow think I was saying WHM gets native Fast Cast.

The point was that Fast Cast is not absolutely necessary for utsu bounce tanking, it certainly helps but no single tank can keep blinking AV's attacks continuously anyway, the whole idea is that it needs to bounce and keep hitting paper shadows all around.

I wouldn't consider 2% Fast Cast a factor..
RDM gets -20% Spell Cast time from native traits which add up to a pretty large amount and gets another -22% from gear.
Fast Cast has nothing to do with a WHM blink tanking.
You're comparing like 2% Fast Cast overall to 42%, I don't know how you can say WHM/NIN fast cast isn't quite where RDM/NIN's is because its not even relatively close.


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[Nagamaki]

The fact that its not even close was the whole point, "isn't quite" was an intentional understatement, guess that wasn't clear.

But if you're comparing numbers, at least make it a proper comparison, don't compare the Casting Time reduction of one with the Recast Time reduction of the other since CT is double the value of RT, and take all gear into account (Marduk's Jubbah).

[Shinsei]

continuation of those random JP LS(es)

pretty much all they were doing was sac claiming it and occasionally 15blm -ga nukes down AV, then zones?....

AV keeps going unclaimed every other second, and then regens back to 100, was kinda retarded to watch....they really should have had a tank pt on it,w as the most retarded thing to sit n wathc, oh well i was farming organs so w/e.

I'm guessing because it keeps going unclaimed and regens back up, everything resets, which could explain a few things


more pics, <.<

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...v_2hrlist2.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a.../av_reacts.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...rrior/av11.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...rrior/av12.jpg

then they pretty much gave up after an hour or more of sac'ing

[Seditedi]

I know how FC works..
And yea I forgot about Marduk's Jubbah.
I compared all the cast time reductions in my last post, not recast reductions... don't know what you are thinking, but yes Loquacious is -2% spell cast time/-1% recast time... Marduk's Jubbah is also -2%/-1% I believe, so that gives -4% spellcasting time vs. -42% spellcasting time. It was pointless for you to even mention WHM Fast Cast in the discussion.

At the previous screenshot, they must've been some pretty pro JPs, they are casting Stone on Iceday lol.


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[Nagamaki]

Rostrum Pumps exist and are the same as Loq earring, Jubbah is double, so its 42 and 8.

Not close at all, yes that was the whole point, its not close but it doesn't need to be close because you want it to bounce, its not a RDM/NIN solo tanking where the FC is tremendously important, or even a 2 tank setup.

[Neosutra]

Ya Shin, it looks like that LS was doing a pretty retarded job at trying anything, and their constant losing of claim really screwed up the 2 hour timers, so not sure anything can be obtained from that =/.

And more awesome news, the ls member with our JoL pop sets decided to quit the game with our LS bank and all pop items so we wont be trying this for a bit =/

Anyone else gonna give it a go soon? With a solid tank setup and good techniques with the intention to slowly test each premis so far?

[coder]

I know how FC works..
And yea I forgot about Marduk's Jubbah. [...] so that gives -4% spellcasting time vs. -42% spellcasting time. It was pointless for you to even mention WHM Fast Cast in the discussion.

Was gonna mention rostrum pumps but looks like I got beaten. Figured I'd mention that there is also plenty of haste gear to lower recasts too.

[Seditedi]

I know how FC works..
And yea I forgot about Marduk's Jubbah. [...] so that gives -4% spellcasting time vs. -42% spellcasting time. It was pointless for you to even mention WHM Fast Cast in the discussion.

Was gonna mention rostrum pumps but looks like I got beaten. Figured I'd mention that there is also plenty of haste gear to lower recasts too.

Yea except all the best haste gear for WHM (besides turban/nashira manteel) has tons of -enmity.

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[coder]

Yea except all the best haste gear for WHM (besides turban/nashira manteel) has tons of -enmity.

Nashira Seraweels(2%) and Swift Belt(4%) too.

[Silenus]

You know what I saw watching the SE video? I saw the dev team "showing the principles by which they were driven" to AV.

[Maytag]

I think having a WHM in the tanking party sounds like a good idea, as well as having more tanks in general, RDM tanks, and also kiting the wynavs with 3 /THF's. It's probably not a coincidence that SE seemed to be using most of these methods in the video themselves.

[Zoot]

If hate is even, AV should move from tank to tank and not -ga the same person twice.

While a good idea in theory, I think the main problem with having people "spread out" is that you're leaving yourself wide open for Aeroga to hit the rest of your alliance. Having an isolated area for it to hit might be the better option? AV could change over his hate to another tank after a spell or two anyhow too =/

As for white mage tanking, I don't know if we need that can of worms opened up in this thread lol. Not saying it's good or bad just not really all that relevant to the thread.

[Kikaru]

Kanimiso JP + poisoned ls on diabolos has AV down to 89%, 3rd person report to me, having friend at site taking screenshots of logs to send to me so i can post here, says they using insane amounts of stone IVs atm *earthsday*. More reports soon hopefully if sonix doesn't report himself

[BerenTebogo]

Kanimiso JP + poisoned ls on diabolos has AV down to 89%, 3rd person report to me, having friend at site taking screenshots of logs to send to me so i can post here, says they using insane amounts of stone IVs atm *earthsday*. More reports soon hopefully if sonix doesn't report himself

If I'm not mistaken, 89% would be the most progress made since the video, good luck to them, please get as much detail as possible lol

[Nicholette]

Kanimiso JP + poisoned ls on diabolos has AV down to 89%, 3rd person report to me, having friend at site taking screenshots of logs to send to me so i can post here, says they using insane amounts of stone IVs atm *earthsday*. More reports soon hopefully if sonix doesn't report himself

Find out if their wynavs are being kited and if they are killing Aerns/other sea mobs in the area as well.

[psnsonixx]

we got AV at 87% right now.. no bene no mana.. we think we got this but its too slow and were having trouble.. will keep you updated.

[Neosutra]

Tank party setups?

We see you are nuking according to day, are you doing any tier 1-4, or just highest?

Are you meleeing it? WSing it? 2houring in response?