BRD formulas.

[Vail]

If you really want to improve your lullaby mary's horn + osode (+50 light) + apollo staff = win

for shame................................... FAILURE

[Charla]

Bandwagon inc!

[Similli]

hell even a chanters staff gives you +6.

Why the hell would you ever use a chanters staff endgame for anything you'd need CHR for?

[Isiolia]

This is very much NOT true... Mag. Acc does not have the same relation to CHR as it might for +MND or whatever for RDM.

CHR stat for resist rate as mentioned before. Base CHR Vs. "+"CHR is no different. The 'check' for CHR Versus resist comes from the total amount you have.

Balrahn's Ring would in effect be +8 CHR outside of assaults since it's got +4 Mag. Acc, correct? Not even close.

I don't see issues with resists using Tamas + Balrahn's and Goliard Clogs.

You do want CHR, and a good amount, but really I haven't seen the need for pushing it in every slot like was said.

I'd agree with the first statement in a sense, but not in the way you're saying. MND for a RDM may be increasing the actual effect of the spell. So in that sense, if you can get 2 MND, it's more beneficial than 1 M Acc. CHR does nothing for songs if they're landing.

One hardly needs both ring slots (or even one) to get 110 CHR or more, so why not put the M Acc in?

[Midnightjade]

Goli clogs are the same CHR as NQ sha'ir, both +4CHR in addition to their other stats. The cuffs are a whole other issue - Goli cuffs (MAcc+4) vs AF+1 cuffs (CHR+7 Sing+10) is absolutely no contest. My Goli cuffs are looking at a long and productive existence decorating my mannequin, until such time as I finally get around to leveling a job that really benefits from them.

I think rings are a bit more situational depending on what's in your other slots - probably the equip area on BRD where you have the most options. Most of the BRD mains I know tend to keep around 110-120CHR and 490-520 combined Wind + Singing. Could probably benefit from some more testing but I guess a lot of BRDs are kept pretty busy ingame.

[Bakthi]

I think the Omega Ring looks like a pretty good compromise piece, with 3 CHR and 3 Macc (and a few extra MND for stoneskin without taking up an extra slot). It's taking me a while to work towards it, but I'll get it eventually.

Edit: to clarify, I don't mean "compromise piece" as in "Well I could carry around a few nice things, but I'll gimp it slightly with this one thing." I mean it looks like an excellent debuff ring, despite the fact that there are rings with more CHR and rings (well, one) with more macc. I'm looking at Omega+Nereid for debuffs and Minstrel's+something (Nereid for V.March, probably BQ for others) for buffs (I have Rajas and Jalzahn's).

[Msnl]

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to get to 110-120 CHR like suggested, and have a decent amount of Skill+ equipment on too. My Elegy equipment has 121 CHR total, 7 Magic Acc, and 501 combined singing and wind skill (and I haven't finished my singing merits).

I don't see why you would use a Nereid over an Omega, or a Balrahn's, and I'm not believing the arguement that Magic Acc doesn't affect Bard songs. I would only stack Skill+ after you get to about 120~ CHR total, because before this number, there's still a signifigant amount of monsters that are going to be fairly resistant. 130+ is a waste as far as I'm concerned and you should look for ways to change pieces to skill+. I'd like to get Goliard Clogs sometime (use Rostrums now) so even without that slot (that I think some of you use Sha'ir) you should be able to have no problem landing your debuffs (bar toau hnm).

Bard Buffs you should focus on hitting your tiers (Minuet), and outside of that Haste+. March unless you have ghorn (new tier), you might as well be using haste+ equipment. Madrigal (since it's nearly impossible to test how much accuracy is given), I stack Skill+.

[miokomioko]

Lulluby Setup

Cythara Angelica +1: Light +6
Kirin's Osode: Light +50
Flawless Ribbon: Light +30
Pluto's Staff: Light +20
Heaven's Earrings: Light +24
Moon Amulet: Light +11
Heaven's Rings: Light +22
Vir/Femina Subligar: Light +9
Blue Cape +1: Light +7
Silk Mitts +1: Light +4
Silk Pumps +1: Light +4
Friar's Rope: Light +2

RIGHT? RIGHT??

[Gergall]

Lulluby Setup

Cythara Angelica +1: Light +6
Kirin's Osode: Light +50
Flawless Ribbon: Light +30
Pluto's Staff: Light +20
Heaven's Earrings: Light +24
Moon Amulet: Light +11
Heaven's Rings: Light +22
Vir/Femina Subligar: Light +9
Blue Cape +1: Light +7
Silk Mitts +1: Light +4
Silk Pumps +1: Light +4
Friar's Rope: Light +2

RIGHT? RIGHT??

You know you're trying to be funny, but this is THE lullaby setup to use on the last boss of Temenos Central Floor 2

[miokomioko]

You know you're trying to be funny, but this is THE lullaby setup to use on the last boss of Temenos Central Floor 2

I imagine the key components are the "Virelai"+2 harp, the -15% light-magic potency staff, the killer effects headpiece, the +HP -Enmity earrings, the cashmere desynth item, and the nice HP boots/gloves.

But I'm assuming by "lullaby" setup you mean "resist Searing Light" setup. Herro, Waking the Beast.

[Koga]

Needs moar -Dark Resist to make Lullaby last longer.

[fishstix]

To test the acc+ amount of madrigal, couldn't you test using some sort of /check vs a mob, making the +acc gear a variable until it changes from high evasion > normal evasion, or normal > low evasion. Probably really tedious and complex but... >.>

[shaddix]

yes

[Belipo Jones]

you guys never seen a bouncing boob avatar before? they are nice

[Msnl]

To test the acc+ amount of madrigal, couldn't you test using some sort of /check vs a mob, making the +acc gear a variable until it changes from high evasion > normal evasion, or normal > low evasion. Probably really tedious and complex but... >.>

I think most things you would use Madrigal for, the definite amount of accuracy doesn't really matter. For Dynamis Lord, when you have your bard swaps, you're probably going to sing Marchx2, Mad+Min, and if I need to sing Madrigal in merit, It's not a party worth staying in. I suppose you could test it this way, but seems like it would take a good amount of time, for very little reward (considering when you're going to use it, the small difference in acc isn't going to change whether you sing it or not).

[Gergall]

if I need to sing Madrigal in merit, It's not a party worth staying in.

I'm 100% confident that you could have a melee party set up with attack gear and attack food and use madrigal on them and chain 200+ or whatever ridiculous number it would take to make a point. Madrigal is extremely potent. People just don't gear up with madrigal in mind because we're all sheep.

[Isiolia]

Madrigal is pretty much a given if there are 1h users in the mix on Colibri, or on Lurkers. I mean, really, BRD is there to optimize the party.

I agree that, in general, people gear/merit/eat in order to have good accuracy pre-buffs. But for some things gear would be compromised if tweaked for accuracy, so it'd make other songs moot anyway. No point in sticking to a Minuet or March if people are dropping ATT or Haste gear for ACC gear. End result is the same.

[Neosutra]

I prefer MarchX2 Mad Minuet for merit parties (always double brd) because I mostly merit on nin or mnk and very few of the melees (even 2 handers) I invite are at the acc cap on mamools or even colibri. Bringing a well geared melee from 80~85% acc to cap is alot more potent than tossing a bit more attack from an extra minuet.

Baring 2 handed relic users, there are very few jobs (even 2 handed) that can reach the acc cap reliably using standard haste/TP gear in merit parties aside from warriors during aggressor.

[Msnl]

if I need to sing Madrigal in merit, It's not a party worth staying in.

I'm 100% confident that you could have a melee party set up with attack gear and attack food and use madrigal on them and chain 200+ or whatever ridiculous number it would take to make a point. Madrigal is extremely potent. People just don't gear up with madrigal in mind because we're all sheep.

Or maybe because some of the best equipment in the game has Accuracy on it. I regularly merit with Apoc/Ebody DRK, I think in pickup parties yes, sometimes you should sing Madrigal. Personally, I don't join pickup parties, I don't have much free time to merit, so when I do, I expect more from the people in my party.

Madrigal has it's place, and sure you could swap Attack for Accuracy, but the amount of Accuracy your losing to gain the same amount of attack probably won't be as good as using Minuet. My Minuet IV gives 66 Attack, so in exchange for singing a Madrigal, a melee would need to be able to add in 66 attack, and Madrigal would need to make up for the amount of accuracy they lost. If your really curious on whether it's better, I'd like to see test results.

To me, it's just the places that give large amounts of Accuracy, I don't think it would be worth it to trade this for Attack. Think about the nicer pieces of equipment, that have large amounts of accuracy, Ebody, PCC, Sniper's+1, I don't really see a viable alternative to these pieces, that could justify trading Accuracy for Attack. If your melee are not as well geared as this, sure Madrigal should be an option, you should always sing the songs that will benefit your party the most. For me, in merit we generally give Marchx2, Minuet, Madrigal, I'm always sub nin, so I sing 2xmarch.

The time this becomes an issue for me, is if you had one bard, and your arguing whether its more beneficial to sing Marchx2, March+Min, Min+Mad, or March+Mad. It would be dependent on your melee, their equipment, their merits. I should have made this more clear in my first post. With 2 bard's this is a non-issue because you should be getting better results from marchx2, madrigal, minuet.

Sorry this is so long, but it bothered me you act like its just following the crowd to stack accuracy. I don't have a parser, and I can't really test this, but to me, you would have to prove that you can remove accuracy equipment and trade in enough attack equipment that would be equal or better. If you want to discuss Meat vs. Sushi there is a thread for that already.

Chain 200+ isn't what would be needed to prove the point either, it's whether it's more beneficial to transfer your accuracy equipment for attack, and sing madrigal instead. You would need to parse removing the accuracy equipment for attack, and singing madrigal, and then using accuracy equipment, and singing minuet.

[Charla]

I've hardly ever sung madrigal in a pickup party since sushi was introduced (not counting low-cap stuff like the phomiuna mission). For merits, dynamis, limbus, HNM, etc. it's always some combination of march and minuet.