I know the SE devl. team isn't the smartest, but damn >.>

[Tomiko]

I really do like how SE gave PUP an abysmal H2H skill, but loads of weapons with tons of accuracy.

Don't forget their lovely selection of Mage armor. :elmer:

[BerenTebogo]

I gotta ask, hundred fists with the NQ stun H2H? Anyone done it?

[Acturus]

I gotta ask, hundred fists with the NQ stun H2H? Anyone done it?

Quite a few old-school MNKs have done it on Maat.

I don't remember anything phenominal about the proc. rate, but I fought Maat three years ago.

[Shuemue]

On the Stun Jamadhars, I think the real mistake is on the NQ, not the HQ. Note for all of the other H2H weapons that add a status effect (Stun Claws, Venom Katars, Acid Claws, etc.) the job selection is DRK/NIN/THF, same as for Stun Jamadhars +1.

MNK can equip the whole Jamadhar range, DRK/NIN/THF none of them. The Stun Jamadhars +1 are the only exception I could find.

[vegetaa]

I gotta ask, hundred fists with the NQ stun H2H? Anyone done it?

Quite a few old-school MNKs have done it on Maat.

I don't remember anything phenominal about the proc. rate, but I fought Maat three years ago.

Bought a pair of these a long time ago, hoping the stun effect would proc often enough to make these useful. How wrong I was....from dirty testing on Bugards in Misareaux Coasts, Bees in Lufaise and Spiders in The Boyada Tree, proc rate is around 5%.

(Tested by counting hits and procs on my log after each mob fight and adding all up. Sample size was ~30 mobs --which is quite small-- but to be honnest but 0-1 proc per TW or EP fight make them obvious crap to me)

[Lexa]

Clearly, PLDs get Destroyers so those of us who are planning on leveling MNK can unlock them via /WAR Combo, and ding into them later. XD

[Hanyoko]

I unlocked my destroyers while capping my H2H on thief =>.>=

There are many items in the game that have different jobs on NQ vs HQ.

Coeurl Jerkin NQ
LV 70 THF BST RNG DNC
Torama Jerkin HQ
LV 70 RDM THF BST RNG DNC

who knows.

[BRP]

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...s_Knuckles.gif

I knew you'd say that, totally doesn't count. They made an exception on purpose just for PUP.

[Xno Kappa]

Wasn't there a pair of knuckles back in the day where MNK wasn't listed on it but they were able to equip it anyways until it was ninja fixed? I forgot exactly which item it was.

[Mabubeezareel]

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...neSubligar.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ligarPlus1.JPG

The HQ is the only piece in the set that adds +2 def over the NQ instead of +1. I know that there's plenty of other HQ pieces that have > +1 to the base stat compared to the NQ, but this one seems pretty random.

[Suiram]

It's always somewhat annoyed me that BLM AF hat upgraded to +1 loses the lightning resist. I think there's another stat on a different piece that gets lost in upgrade as well.

[Spekkio]

It's always somewhat annoyed me that BLM AF hat upgraded to +1 loses the lightning resist. I think there's another stat on a different piece that gets lost in upgrade as well.

body loses vit. a lot of pieces lose some stats when they're upgraded. for example, rdm af2+1 hat loses the wind resist. TANK AV NOW, BITCH! iirc, sam equip loses some of its resist on upgrade too.

[Cream Soda]

Why, exactly, do RNG, BST, DRK, RDM, and PLD get these, but PUP is told 'nah, you don't need em, you have a automation!'

PUP doesn't use knuckle/cesti-type h2h weapons, but RNG, BST, DRK, RDM, and PLD do. Simple as that.

I think the point was more of why do rng bst drk rdm and pld use them (with 0 skill) and why don't pup use em >.>


Edit:
You were half correct
http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...s_Knuckles.gif

[Appie]

Because SE knows it would make alot of Monks angry, myself included XD
So SE used their good old SE logic and didn't add PUP on Destroyers.

[pchan]

Duelist's chapeau
* MP +14
* Resist vs. Wind +10
* Adds 'Refresh' Effect
* Enfeebling Magic Skill +15

Dueslist's chapeau +1

* HP +14
* MP +14
* Mind +3
* Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
* Adds 'Refresh' Effect

Goodbye wind+10 ; ;

[Shuemue]

Because SE knows it would make alot of Monks angry, myself included XD
So SE used their good old SE logic and didn't add PUP on Destroyers.

Why would a MNK care if PUP got Destroyers? They're not ~that~ good.

[Cream Soda]

Because SE knows it would make alot of Monks angry, myself included XD
So SE used their good old SE logic and didn't add PUP on Destroyers.

They'd still be 51 h2h skill and 3 martial arts traits behind monks >.> I really don't see a problem with letting them have destroyers.

[Howard Roark]

Duelist's chapeau
* MP +14
* Resist vs. Wind +10
* Adds 'Refresh' Effect
* Enfeebling Magic Skill +15

Dueslist's chapeau +1

* HP +14
* MP +14
* Mind +3
* Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
* Adds 'Refresh' Effect

Goodbye wind+10 ; ;

upgrade it and lot another for that sexy wind resist

[Kaludneisucks]

Who needs wind resist when you can melee with staff?

[Kyreth]

But...RDM melee with staff -needs- wind resist. They Baraeraed, it must be so!