One Piece Thread

[orson]

Ya I don't want them struggling with these wussy fishmen. It would just seem kind of lame that there would be such a long training arc and then have them barely keeping up with the first group of enemies. My guess is that Luffy and Zoro are just on par with an Admiral, I'm not so sure about the others. I kind of do want to see Zoro being told by Nami that she'll handle the big muscle bound idiot though.

[Stilzkin]

My guess is that Luffy and Zoro are just on par with an Admiral, I'm not so sure about the others. I kind of do want to see Zoro being told by Nami that she'll handle the big muscle bound idiot though.

There is no way they are equal to an Admiral. The two strongest groups in OP are the Yonkou and the Admirals, half the yonkou are allied with Luffy and we are not getting an arc per admiral, the series is also going to last for more than 3 challenging fights.

[Not Kuno]

I don't think they're anywhere close to admiral strength. Remember when Blackbeard booked it when Akainu was coming?

[Eaglestrike]

There is no way they are equal to an Admiral. The two strongest groups in OP are the Yonkou and the Admirals, half the yonkou are allied with Luffy and we are not getting an arc per admiral, the series is also going to last for more than 3 challenging fights.

Well, they do still have Vegapunk and whatever he can come up with. His advancements have been getting really impressive recently...

[Kaylia]

There is no way they are equal to an Admiral. The two strongest groups in OP are the Yonkou and the Admirals, half the yonkou are allied with Luffy and we are not getting an arc per admiral, the series is also going to last for more than 3 challenging fights.

Half of the Yonkous mean 1½ yonkou at the moment >_>


Anyway, I'm willing to bet that 3 yonkou will be on Luffy's team as soon this arc end (or soon after) since Big Mama is protecting Fishman Island in Whitebeard's place and the odds that she is Lola's mother are high (we know she reside in the New world, that she is a powerful pirate, both are fugly, and it's the kind of plot device Oda uses all the time).

It would makes a lot of sense for her to show up at the end of the arc to save Fishmen island.

[Eaglestrike]

Half of the Yonkous mean 1½ yonkou at the moment >_>


Anyway, I'm willing to bet that 3 yonkou will be on Luffy's team as soon this arc end (or soon after) since Big Mama is protecting Fishman Island in Whitebeard's place and the odds that she is Lola's mother are high (we know she reside in the New world, that she is a powerful pirate, both are fugly, and it's the kind of plot device Oda uses all the time).

It would makes a lot of sense for her to show up at the end of the arc to save Fishmen island.

I can't see all 3 being on Luffy's side. Whitebeard/Shanks didn't see eye to eye on everything, they did have a scuffle and everything, right? I'm willing to bet that the 4th Yonkou we don't know is going to be pretty dickish. I don't know if splitting the yonkou and admirals on each side works, I think it'll be more complex than that. Though I guess that would just make it Luffy vs Blackbeard to even things out.

[Kaylia]

The 4th one will be evil for sure, just look at his face and resume (killed moria's crew, tried to backstab whitebeard during the War).
Whitebeard crew is already on Luffy's side since the War.
Shank is known to be a good guy. I don't expect any issue with him even if they end up competing with each other.

Big Mama seem a bit greedy and self centered (she asked Fishmen to make a candies factory in exchange of her protection), but she is still protecting people for a small cost. Because Luffy most likely saved her daughter, I just can't picture both fighting each other for very long.


This is not to say Oda won't spice things up with a few twists, but I'm not expecting any major arc that involve Luffy fighting a Youkou other than that 4th guy.

[Eaglestrike]

The 4th one will be evil for sure, just look at his face and resume (killed moria's crew, tried to backstab whitebeard during the War).
Whitebeard crew is already on Luffy's side since the War.
Shank is known to be a good guy. I don't expect any issue with him even if they end up competing with each other.

Big Mama seem a bit greedy and self centered (she asked Fishmen to make a candies factory in exchange of her protection), but she is still protecting people for a small cost. Because Luffy most likely saved her daughter, I just can't picture both fighting each other for very long.


This is not to say Oda won't spice things up with a few twists, but I'm not expecting any major arc that involve Luffy fighting a Youkou other than that 4th guy.

I assumed when you said "3 yonkou" you meant the rest of them, because Whitebeard is dead so there are technically only 3 yonkou left. Though I do suppose his fleet/power is still fairly strong and possibly could be considered a yonkou still. But I wouldn't agree, Shanks is still a one-ship crew afaik and he's a yonkou, pretty sure you get that title from the strength of your top few members and not overall power. So losing Whitebeard ruins the yonkou title.

[Kaylia]

I included him because Marco and others are still powerful and on Luffy's side, but yeah, I know there is 3 youkou alives. That's why I replied Stilzkin in the first place

[orson]

Blackbeard may have just be fleeing to avoid pointless fighting. He doesn't seem to do anything without a plan. If anything he just may have not wanted to lose crew members in a war with someone like Akainu. Akainu definitely seemed like the strongest fighter of the group and didn't hold back at all for the most part. He'd easily be willing to kill everyone around Blackbeard even if he couldn't kill Blackbeard.

Overall with Zoro it's hard to say but Luffy has to some extent mastered haki. He's probably at least able to counter an admiral. The biggest advantage the admirals have is the massive amount of AoE attacks they have I'd say.

[Not Kuno]

Blackbeard may have just be fleeing to avoid pointless fighting.

I'm pretty sure he specifically said "We're not ready for him yet". Like.. there's only so many things that can infer.

[Stilzkin]

Overall with Zoro it's hard to say but Luffy has to some extent mastered haki. He's probably at least able to counter an admiral. The biggest advantage the admirals have is the massive amount of AoE attacks they have I'd say.

Don't forget we haven't actually seen anyone hurt an Admiral other than an angry WB getting in a surprise attack on Akainu, which didn't take him out for long (he got back up beat up Iva and went on to fight WB's commanders).

Marco, WB's first mate, and Vista, obviously one of WB's best man, attacked Akainu and he remained in his logia form, even though he said they had attacked him with haki. Marco kicked Kizaru hard enough to create an explosion and Kizaru didn't show any signs of being hurt. Aokiji was tackled by Joz and was fine other than a bloody lip.

[TheTaru]

I don't think Admiral fights would be anything more than extremely drawn-out pseudo-filler; they seem more or less unkillable. Logia (or whatever the elemental-ish abilities are called) users seem like they can just regenerate after being torn apart, decapitated, etc. even if said injuries involve haki. The only exception to this, that I can recall, is Ace being killed because Akainu was hotter than him (no homo). I just don't see future fights with them having any real resolution or purpose.

I really want the current arc to end soon though. I'm hoping the fights will just show how crazy strong Luffy/Zorro/Maybe Nami are now, and that they'll be over quickly.

[Zeb]

I'm wondering how Blackbeard and his ability to steal someone else's ability is going to go later in the story. Is two the limit? Why would he take Whitebeard's ability if so? If not, will he start a collection? If he does, I doubt Luffy & co will have to worry about the admirals, because I think Blackbeard and his crew could take down an admiral, if the admiral was out on his own. As soon as we see the Straw Hats display the fruits of their training, I really hope the story goes back to Blackbeard so we can see wtf is going on with him. We're 600+ issues in, I think Oda should be ready to show Luffy the main villian's plans a bit more.

[Not Kuno]

It was said that WB has one of the strongest abilities. Which is sort of true... he can drop entire islands. Plus it's more of a literal "I have WBs power" to show hes stronger.

[Zeb]

It was said that WB has one of the strongest abilities. Which is sort of true... he can drop entire islands. Plus it's more of a literal "I have WBs power" to show hes stronger.

Eh I agree with you, he could earthquake an entire island so it's under the sea and kill most DF users in 1 blow, but that's like using a chainsaw to remove a splinter. If I had to chose only one ability to steal, I think I'd take go after Kizaru's ability, or maybe Dragon's if his is air and not weather. Blackbeard obviously has a lot of patience and put a lot of planning into whatever his goal is. Which is kinda why I think he can take more than two abilities and Whitebeard's was just the start.

[TheTaru]

Dragon's ability is probably weather; air was an ability of a random guy in the anime filler. I guess they could just pretend that episode never happened, but I doubt it. Blackbeard probably has a specific reason for wanting WB's ability. He sure went through a hell of a lot of effort to get it and he seems like the type to think things through.

[Not Kuno]

Dragon's ability is probably weather; air was an ability of a random guy in the anime filler. I guess they could just pretend that episode never happened, but I doubt it. Blackbeard probably has a specific reason for wanting WB's ability. He sure went through a hell of a lot of effort to get it and he seems like the type to think things through.

I remember reading somewhere that when they make filler DF abilities, they always ask Oda first if that one will be used or is taken or whatever.

[TheTaru]

They haven't re-used any DF abilities from filler characters so far though, have they? Even if they did, Dragon's ability seems more like weather/storms or something anyway.

Do DF users become useless in non-sea water too? Someone with control of water would be cool, but that obviously wouldn't work if they do; I think every other basic element has been covered in some way.

[samalis]

I think there's been cases of chopper or luffy swimming in a little pool right? I could have sworn one of them were swimming in the pool on the thousand sunny.