One Piece Thread

**blindSharingan** · 2014-07-23 11:11

He cut her face with haki. (edit: just saw your edit)

Originally Posted by Vandole

he beat her without using it because he can't control it.

That's a pretty big assumption and I think an incorrect one. During that whole fight they are questioning whether or not Zoro would fight a woman seriously or not and even in the end he doesn't. Instead of killing her using haki he intimidates her into a state where she can't control her logia powers.

**Vandole** · 2014-07-23 11:19

Originally Posted by blindSharingan

That's a pretty big assumption

i agree with this, but i do believe what zoro said this chapter may support what i said? we'll never 100% know though. yay speculation -_-

i do see your point though

**Vaspinne** · 2014-07-23 11:21

I took his fight with Monet as he could control it and deliberately didn't use Haki at all mainly because it's a shounen manga and boys shouldn't hurt girls. He could have easily defeated her at any point but deliberately didn't via Oda's choosing to avoid any hassles.

He also used Haki (as well as Sanji) when they first found Luffy and took out that PX5 or whatever Kuma robo, or at least that's what it seemed like.

**Not Kuno** · 2014-07-23 14:23

He used Haki this week? Oops I missed it.

I thought he used it vs Monet. Also someone mentioned Haki users a bit ago and the demon trio were mentioned iirc. Punk Hazard maybe?

**Stilzkin** · 2014-07-23 14:33

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

He used Haki this week? Oops I missed it.

I thought he used it vs Monet. Also someone mentioned Haki users a bit ago and the demon trio were mentioned iirc. Punk Hazard maybe?

I think Luffy mentions to Law that the M3 should all be fine against Ceasar due to their haki.

**Vaspinne** · 2014-07-23 15:15

I just assume anytime the M3 use any sort of serious attack, Haki is now involved in some form. And by serious attack, I mean like, not a simple hit against fodder, but against the PX-robos or when Sanji kicked Doflamingo while protecting the 1000 Sunny and crew or just this chapter with Zoro and slicing Pica up with that 1080lb cannon.

**Vandole** · 2014-07-23 15:33

Originally Posted by Vaspinne

least that's what it seemed like.

in the anime version no mention of haki was made and they also didnt get that armament color or sound to go with it. sanji's leg went aflame and zoro did some cannon i think.

That stone guy that zoro seemingly used haki on is a logia, right?

**Vaspinne** · 2014-07-23 16:04

Originally Posted by Vandole

in the anime version no mention of haki was made and they also didnt get that armament color or sound to go with it. sanji's leg went aflame and zoro did some cannon i think.

That stone guy that zoro seemingly used haki on is a logia, right?

He seems like he's logia. It's kind of hard to tell with him though, but I guess stone is a type of natural element? I mean, if lava is logia, then I don't see why stone can't be.

As far as using Armament as Haki to strengthen attacks, that's something new that Oda started doing during Fishmen Island. All pre-timeskip use of Haki, even against Logia, there wasn't really any indication of it being used other then people going "Whoa, he's using Haki!!!" (or something to that effect). Even when Luffy takes out the PX-robo with 1 hit, nothing is shown other then Sentomaru saying "he can use Haki". And considering how easily the PX's took out the Strawhat crew pre-timeskip, and that Oda seemed like he was trying to hint at how drastically stronger the crew and the M3 got post-skip, it just seemed the most logical conclusion that Sanji and Zoro used Haki against the PX to take it out.

I mean, there's no indication whether they are or aren't. But from a story-telling perspective and a "look at how easy it is for them now" perspective, it just makes sense that they used haki to strengthen their attacks.

I also feel like using haki to strengthen attacks is like level 1, and then using armament to the point where the body turns black to strengthen even further is level 2. Or at least, that seems to be the gut feeling I get when seeing how Oda is trying to handle power-scaling. That being said, we haven't seen Zoro, Sanji or even Luffy really go all out yet since the time-skip. Luffy on Fishmen Island was handicapped by being in the water and having to adjust to his surroundings. And then on Punk Hazard, he barely got pushed by Caesar and just finished him with 1 attack. Hopefully, HOPEFULLY, we'll finally see him go all out against Doflamingo

Edit: Some images from chapter 601 where Luffy, Zoro and Sanji take out the PX's, the attacks seem to have very similar... what's the word? Shockwaves or impacts or etc. Which was another reason why I thought all 3 were using haki.

Spoiler: show

And it just seemed logical that if Luffy used it to take down a PX, then Zoro and Sanji used it too.

Edit 2: Here are a couple other images confirming things all around I suppose:

Spoiler: show

**Vandole** · 2014-07-23 16:36

Neat.

**Correction** · 2014-07-23 16:50

If Pica's fruit is logia, then he should be able to turn his entire body to stone, but it looks more like he's able to create for himself an armored body made entirely out of stone, kind of the way Kid does with metal.

**Vaspinne** · 2014-07-23 16:54

Originally Posted by Vandole

Neat.

I had half an hour to kill lol

**BadKarma** · 2014-07-23 17:17

Originally Posted by Correction

If Pica's fruit is logia, then he should be able to turn his entire body to stone, but it looks more like he's able to create for himself an armored body made entirely out of stone, kind of the way Kid does with metal.

Logia, Paramecia, Zoan. Doesnt matter, Zoro gives less then zero fucks.

**Not Kuno** · 2014-07-23 17:30

I thought his fruit was Paramecia. Some paramecia get their bodies changed by the fruit. He seems to move through the stone and use it to attack rather than just create stone out of nothing. We've seen the former but never the latter.

I dont think Pika is down yet. But it was still a good fight so far so if it ends at this then I'm not too sad. He fucked up a giant stone monster, even if it was one sided from the start.

**Correction** · 2014-07-23 18:05

Pica has more in common with Wapol than Trebol, in that he has to use the stone around him to manipulate it, rather than make objects from his own body to fight with, like Trebol's sticky chain or Kizaru's light swords. Paramecia all the way.

Also it's been well-established that Zoro doesn't need haki to cut stone. He's just that damn strong.

**bigpapi** · 2014-07-24 00:38

Observation Haki.

**Not Kuno** · 2014-07-30 04:13

Chapters out

Spoiler: show

**Correction** · 2014-07-30 08:16

While I do love watching Franky doing things, I don't like how the remaining actors in the war just seem to be standing still and talking in the meanwhile. We're not actually getting to enjoy the duel between Zoro and Pica. It's like they're taking turns each chapter, who gets to be seen throwing punches and who just stands there in the page and a half they get. Shonen gonna shonen but they've been building this up so much and we're still only getting short little peeks at best of the fighting.

**Not Kuno** · 2014-07-30 11:20

Originally Posted by Correction

While I do love watching Franky doing things, I don't like how the remaining actors in the war just seem to be standing still and talking in the meanwhile. We're not actually getting to enjoy the duel between Zoro and Pica. It's like they're taking turns each chapter, who gets to be seen throwing punches and who just stands there in the page and a half they get. Shonen gonna shonen but they've been building this up so much and we're still only getting short little peeks at best of the fighting.

We're gonna see them fight. I think there's just simply so much going on at once that it's impossible to show a lot of this at any sort of reasonable pace. Despite half the crew being gone there's still a fuck load of people around. Pika is not defeated yet and I'm positive we'll see Zoro duke it out with him. Although sadly it would seem Zoro is already way above his level so.. I dont know.

Either way, this arc hasn't disappointed me yet so far.

**RedRed** · 2014-07-30 11:26

Originally Posted by bigpapi

Observation Haki.

Wouldn't that be the same as when he sensed the cursed sword way back at the start?

**Correction** · 2014-07-30 13:13

Originally Posted by Not Kuno

We're gonna see them fight. I think there's just simply so much going on at once that it's impossible to show a lot of this at any sort of reasonable pace. Despite half the crew being gone there's still a fuck load of people around. Pika is not defeated yet and I'm positive we'll see Zoro duke it out with him. Although sadly it would seem Zoro is already way above his level so.. I dont know.

Either way, this arc hasn't disappointed me yet so far.

The split up nature of the fights is fine but the constant checkins 'meanwhile, near zoro and pica, oh sorry nothing really happens lol' is a huge waste of panel and page space, and it's happened a lot this arc.

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