Battle System Improvements (02/22/2008) - (Nothing good)

[BerenTebogo]

Short answer:

You're retarded, and one of those peoples who thinks hitting macros = skill, arguing with you is like trying to fuck an amoeba, sure you can try, but I'll be damned if you can find a hole.

[Alistaire]

Kenji, stop now before you dig your hole into molten lava

Too late. Seriously, saying you're fine with 1500 Rampages instead of 1556 is fine whatever. But coming on here and throwing out insults to those who aren't fine with that?

[Demosthenes11]

I just love how before SE released their windower, the zam argument was "Well SE obviously doesn't want you to have that so it's cheating." If SE wanted to, they could extend macro lines and we wouldn't be having this conversation. They don't because they don't care / are updating chocobo raising. It's not because it's cheating

[Shassira]

Aren't you people derailing this into an absolute and ridiculous territory marking fight?

On topic of the original post, these little updates are nice tweaks. Why people think this is keeping SE from making other upgrades makes me wonder if they know how long it would take them to actualy do this. This is probably made by some secondary devs that had nothing else to do and were asigned to fix minor issues. Come on, name color can be done in 5 minutes, it's a matter of adding a line of two or editing a value. Music triggering is a bit different but nothing that will take them days to code.

The only major part is the server side storing of macros which despite what every windower user seems to think, it is a good thing for a huge chunk of players. Not every player uses a PC, not every PC player uses windower and what's more important, not every windower user cares about windower macros. And on top of that, it doesn't even matter since you can make bind scripts that swap key binds for different jobs.
The only reason you could be pissed about this update is if this is the only update. So seriously, accept this are good changes and leave the bitching for the final update notes... that's where you'll have all the possible arguments to bitch about it (and i have no doubt those arguments will be legitimate). Currently all you have is small possitive stuff and speculation.

PD: For the possitive haters, no, i'm not being possitive and i personaly love bitching, but i think this is out of place completely.

[bebeci]

Updates are nice, but we've been waiting 2-3 months for content update.
Doing operational stuff is not amazing, considering the wait.

[ronin sparthos]

The only point I was getting at originally, is to not bitch if an update doesn't specifically apply to you. If you want to whine, then go right ahead. But wasn't that one of the rules of the forum, something about not bitching about an update?

And no, Kayos, it's not my true feeling. I recognize there are other people in the game besides myself. Do I like making myself better? Yep. But I don't resort to forbidden programs to do it. And I don't whine when the company that owns the game, takes steps to limit the use of these forbidden programs.

That's the only difference between me and Sath here. I can improve myself in the game without 3rd party tools. That's the challenge: improve your game within the limits of the game.

Or are you advocating to change the rules of chess so you have one extra queen?

Personally, I would hold that being able to tab out and look up something about whatever you're trying to do is far more helpful than extra macro lines or a range display.

A better way of looking at it. It's nice that the company provided a way for us to do that.

Point is, this is not worth mentioning in a version update that arguably will determine if people actually give a DAMN about WoTG. The expansion has already launched worse than CoP (which i liked but the masses hated for some reason) and the best SE can do is talk about some minor changes which arent actually 'Battle Adjustments'? Changes that arent actually fixing the far more 'world-wide' problems in the game? Swapping colors on who has claim on a monster? Who will be excited by this?

Music is something overdue, but hardly worth a update detail notice - this is along the lines of the Auto-Trans upgrade, good but its sidebar - where is the content?

The macro bit is awesome, long overdue but awesome - the question i think many people are asking is "If the things usually just tacked onto update details in major patches are being advertised as major changes then is SE just running a massive cocktease or is this update going to be lackluster?"

Regardless of being hardcore or casual, reading Alla and BG the question is still the same.

[neochaos]

So I should gimp myself because using windower is naughty and evil? Fuck off.

Perhaps you feel impotent without your blanky, but I know a bunch of people who can get by just fine without it. They may only be 95% as effective as you are, but they don't have problems in the game. You still have room for quite a few gear swaps in a macro. Do you really need to swap out 15 pieces of gear for every little action you take, in order not to feel impotent?

"OMG! I did a Rampage for 1500 damage instead of 1556! I'm sooooo gimp!"

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/...s/dumbfuck.jpg

Tell ya what Kenji, you are right, there are plenty of players in this game that aren't elitists, and would rather roleplay in the majestic plains of sarutabaruta, or wear gear for purely aesthetic reasons, disregarding the fact they just missed all 5 hits on a rampage. It might also be disturbingly true that SE is trying to develop the game for those types of people. Unfortunately tho, in forums like these, mediocrity isn't tolerated. What you are doing is roughly along the lines of a priest preaching to a bunch of satanist's in a cemetary. Or vice versa >.>.


On the topic of macros, if SE was able to add another 3800 macros in the game, why the fuck couldnt they add another few lines? And with the windowed mode, I don't care who you are I think we can all universally agree it shouldn't take nigh 4 years to implement a windowed version of a game..

[Callisto]

Call me crazy, but I kinda like this. Now I get to hear epic musicz in Aht Urhgan on my Bard AND store my non-Windower macros! They are indeed minor improvements, but should've been done a looooooong time ago.

Haha, I think you're the 2nd person other than me that thought that. I personally have no gripes with any of these update, sure they aren't game changing, but nothing to bitch about.

Never hearing music change in 3-4 hours of pulling Colibris as BRD is ZzZzZzZz. I'm glad it'll now seem like I'm actually, I don't know, fighting with the party sometimes.

Trying to pick out your alliance's mobs between 5,423,534 claimed Groundskeepers spread among 30 LS on a Friday night is fucking annoying. It's a minor deal, but nonetheless a welcome change.

And of course, anyone who has changed systems more than once should be thrilled by server-side macros. Not wanting to remake my macros every time isn't being lazy, level RDM/BRD/COR with full macros and say that shit, it literally takes 3+ hours to get them to where they were.

And as a console player, I have to say I don't give a shit about windower deals, but I min/max the fuck out of my character with the 6 spots per macro I'm alloted. Not having the windower doesn't keep you from playing at full effectiveness for shit, it's just a bit more work, a few more button presses between spells and JAs, god forbid you might have to play FFXI like a fucking video game and mash some buttons sometimes. If you want to sit and press one button every 5 minutes and play at full effectiveness, go play Oregon Trail or some bullshit. And although Kenji made his point like a complete retard, he made a good point: If the update isn't your cup of tea, shut the fuck up and wait for one that is. We should apply the BRP Rule or some shit to bitching about updates.

[ashke]

So I should gimp myself because using windower is naughty and evil? Fuck off.

Perhaps you feel impotent without your blanky, but I know a bunch of people who can get by just fine without it. They may only be 95% as effective as you are, but they don't have problems in the game. You still have room for quite a few gear swaps in a macro. Do you really need to swap out 15 pieces of gear for every little action you take, in order not to feel impotent?

"OMG! I did a Rampage for 1500 damage instead of 1556! I'm sooooo gimp!"

I really think this is the wrong board for you if this is your true feeling.

Edit: beaten by like 6 people ...

Yeah, but that drives the point home that we don't want his kind here.

[Charla]

I just love how before SE released their windower

Wait wait wait... SE made their own windower? What, does it just not work any better than Sony's attempt at windowed mode back in EQ1? Or is there another reason I hadn't heard of this?

[Maxxthepenguin]

I just love how before SE released their windower

Wait wait wait... SE made their own windower? What, does it just not work any better than Sony's attempt at windowed mode back in EQ1? Or is there another reason I hadn't heard of this?

It was a pretty big deal. I have no idea how you missed it lol. It's an option in your FFXI config. It's a windowed mode without any of the cool features we take for granted.

[BerenTebogo]

I just love how before SE released their windower

Wait wait wait... SE made their own windower? What, does it just not work any better than Sony's attempt at windowed mode back in EQ1? Or is there another reason I hadn't heard of this?

It was a pretty big deal. I have no idea how you missed it lol. It's an option in your FFXI config. It's a windowed mode without any of the cool features we take for .

[Maxxthepenguin]

I just love how before SE released their windower

Wait wait wait... SE made their own windower? What, does it just not work any better than Sony's attempt at windowed mode back in EQ1? Or is there another reason I hadn't heard of this?

It was a pretty big deal. I have no idea how you missed it lol. It's an option in your FFXI config. It's a windowed mode without any of the cool features we take for .

My name is Maxxthepenguin and I do not approve this message of unnecessary memage.

[BerenTebogo]

I just love how before SE released their windower

Wait wait wait... SE made their own windower? What, does it just not work any better than Sony's attempt at windowed mode back in EQ1? Or is there another reason I hadn't heard of this?

It was a pretty big deal. I have no idea how you missed it lol. It's an option in your FFXI config. It's a windowed mode without any of the cool features we take for .

My name is Maxxthepenguin and I do not approve this message of unnecessary memage.

This is the text representation of my huge sad face right now, it's huge, and it's sad, and you made it this way max, you did.

[ronin sparthos]

If you want to sit and press one button every 5 minutes and play at full effectiveness, go play Oregon Trail or some bullshit.

How can anyone hate the awesomeness that was "The Oregon Trail"?

Hell even the producers of The Oregon Trail had an option to window the game when it came out.... like 20 years ago and they didnt need the playerbase to bitch at them to do it!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ama/3370_0.png

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ama/oregon.jpg

Only thing that beats Oregon Trail was Yukon Trail.... or that Amazon Trail game where if you hit the jagged rocks your boat flipped over and you died...... or you got mauled by jaguars or poisoned by a snake..... or caught malaria... damn those were the days.

[Akucaen]

You people with sand in your vagina should remember SE fully endorses the Logitech G15. The keyboard that makes its SELLING POINT on 18x3 macro keys of unlimited length. You tell me how that's any different than windower macros when the G15 sends full strings without delay into the chat system.

That's PC only. It will only work with the software installed.

Go QQ some more with your leaky, quicksand vagoo.

SE fully endorses the Logitech G15

SE fully endorses the Logitech G15

SE fully endorses the Logitech G15; they even gave them away at fanfests.

[Fhqwghads]

The real disappointment was when I realized I was more intrigued by the ensuing debates in this thread than what SE posted in the development notes.

[Kayos]

The real disappointment was when I realized I was more intrigued by the ensuing debates in this thread than what SE posted in the development notes.

rofl so true.

[ronin sparthos]

I remember being Excited when Einherjar was announced....

[Kenji]

Point is, this is not worth mentioning in a version update that arguably will determine if people actually give a DAMN about WoTG. The expansion has already launched worse than CoP (which i liked but the masses hated for some reason) and the best SE can do is talk about some minor changes which arent actually 'Battle Adjustments'? Changes that arent actually fixing the far more 'world-wide' problems in the game? Swapping colors on who has claim on a monster? Who will be excited by this?

Music is something overdue, but hardly worth a update detail notice - this is along the lines of the Auto-Trans upgrade, good but its sidebar - where is the content?

The macro bit is awesome, long overdue but awesome - the question i think many people are asking is "If the things usually just tacked onto update details in major patches are being advertised as major changes then is SE just running a massive cocktease or is this update going to be lackluster?"

Regardless of being hardcore or casual, reading Alla and BG the question is still the same.

And the point is: We won't know everything until the full update is here. Is there a point to complaining "I WANTED MY JOB UPDATES DAMMIT!" Is it fair to those who play without third party addons, to deny things they wanted "like macros on server side" because some use third party tools? Besides, people have posted workarounds. So in reality, the debate is moot.

I suppose I could rage on a forum, frothing at the mouth

It's like the whinging on the doll festival thread all over again.