Battle System Improvements (02/22/2008) - (Nothing good)

[Kayos]

I'm not whining I just think you are an idiot.

Edit to add something semi-contributory to the thread:

I have been a member of BG since Jan of 2005 and a reader of BG almost from the beginning. Granted I don't post in a ton of threads but I do read a lot. If there is one absolute truth to BG it is that it IS elitist. And you know what. That is why I love it. As with most of this community I strive to be the best, I strive to be the benchmark. If I wanted to do a 1500 rampage instead of a 1560 one and was happy with that then sure allakhaifrit would be my choice. But I choose better. That is why you are an idiot. You are forgetting the fundamental reason why BG is loved and are trying to justify your flawed logic to people that by their very nature won't accept it.

[Demosthenes11]

or here's a CRAZY idea: copypasta your USER folder when you use a new computer!

[BerenTebogo]

I'm not whining I just think you are an idiot.

[Alistaire]

If you want to sit and press one button every 5 minutes and play at full effectiveness, go play Oregon Trail or some bullshit.

What's that term for the fallacy of trying to win an argument by ridiculously exaggerating the other side's point of view? We're not talking about 1 macro every 5 minutes here, we're talking about 1 macro for 1 action. Not 1 macro for even 2 actions, not 4 macros for 1 action. When macros don't even always go off and a lot of actions are too fast to hit multiple macros and get the desired effect and you easily have the possibility for more than 6 lines in a macro, limiting it to 6 was bad game design.

Announcing increased macro lines then making it just more macros instead of more lines in a macro was a slap in the face.

[Kaisha]

Regarding the music, how many more years before they make the music itself pick-up where it last stopped between chains?
(it'd make CoP zones more enjoyable to XP in without hearing that god damned 15-second prelude every fight)

</whine>
(I feel sorry for SE sometimes, they can please me one way, but it always ends up opening room for another complaint)

[ronin sparthos]

Announcing increased macro lines then making it just more macros instead of more lines in a macro was a slap in the face.

But because its SE, the playerbase is supposed to fap for whatever they throw into updates. They knew what the problem was, enough people complain to SE about macro space... but why is everything always half-assedly done?

-More Macros, win. Still 6 macro limit, fail.
-Einherjar promises more abjurations, win. 3-5% drop rates, fail.
-Chocobo Raising, win. Chocobos are slower than rentals and only can be called in rental zones, fail.
-Sigil gives sanction bonuses and you can stack em, win. No exp bonus and the monsters kick serious ass vs similar level counterparts, fail.
-Windower finally gets rid of full-screen bullshit, win. Windower is buggy, doesnt display TP and alliance MP at the minimum, fail.
-AV video launches, win. AV videos hint is cryptic and does not show the 2 main issues with AV to begin with, wtf.

Seriously, housecleaning updates arent bad but jeeze there are things far more in need to a tune-up than a change in claimed monster colors and those changes dont have to be the obvious 3king and abjuration fixes.

[Seigfried Of Pandy]

Regarding the music, how many more years before they make the music itself pick-up where it last stopped between chains?
(it'd make CoP zones more enjoyable to XP in without hearing that god damned 15-second prelude every fight)

</whine>
(I feel sorry for SE sometimes, they can please me one way, but it always ends up opening room for another complaint)

well now from what i gather wouldnt it be like that because a pulled mob would constantly create a battle zone which would produce music

[BerenTebogo]

Announcing increased macro lines then making it just more macros instead of more lines in a macro was a slap in the face.

But because its SE, the playerbase is supposed to fap for whatever they throw into updates. They knew what the problem was, enough people complain to SE about macro space... but why is everything always half-assedly done?

-More Macros, win. Still 6 macro limit, fail.
-Einherjar promises more abjurations, win. 3-5% drop rates, fail.
-Chocobo Raising, win. Chocobos are slower than rentals and only can be called in rental zones, fail.
-Sigil gives sanction bonuses and you can stack em, win. No exp bonus and the monsters kick serious ass vs similar level counterparts, fail.
-Windower finally gets rid of full-screen bullshit, win. Windower is buggy, doesnt display TP and alliance MP at the minimum, fail.
-AV video launches, win. AV videos hint is cryptic and does not show the 2 main issues with AV to begin with, wtf.

Seriously, housecleaning updates arent bad but jeeze there are things far more in need to a tune-up than a change in claimed monster colors and those changes dont have to be the obvious 3king and abjuration fixes.

This is actually one of the reasons I get pissed at so many updates, people throw the leaky vagina card, but fuck me, I don't care if you get boners over shitty content, I don't.

I'd rather ZERO and ZERO information until they're ready to release substantial information, the game is fine how I play it now, I don't need promises of new awesome shit and then get fucking mage music. So you're a fan of the updates? Awesome, go fucking jack off over it, I'm not and I think they're fucking retarded.

Opinions, people have them, I haven't called shit once on your little mage music shit up until now, because it doesn't affect me, but bitching at people being disappointed about it is fucking retarded.

So much fucking shit that needs to be fixed in this game that doesn't directly involve me being happy, giving mages music for the sake of giving mages music FIXED NOTHING,and honestly, should NOT have been a priority over other stuff, such as the sigil bonuses, the cure terror effect that's existed for years or others, regardless of whether or not I, personally, care about them.

You think my vagina is full of sand? That's fine, I think you're a fucking moron devoid of the intellectual spark that allows productive thinking and reasoning.

And I'm ranting a bit, but I'm trying to agree 100% with Ronin.

[Jkun]

You think my vagina is full of sand? That's fine, I think you're a fucking moron devoid of the intellectual spark that allows productive thinking and reasoning.

Sath I think I love you.

[Rocl]

dead thread

[BerenTebogo]

You think my vagina is full of sand? That's fine, I think you're a fucking moron devoid of the intellectual spark that allows productive thinking and reasoning.

Sath I think I love you.

I miss you James ; ; you went to the wrong server, lol

[BRP]

Announcing increased macro lines then making it just more macros instead of more lines in a macro was a slap in the face.

They announced more macro lines? I think people need to stop seeing speculation(at the time) as official statements from SE.

[Jkun]

You think my vagina is full of sand? That's fine, I think you're a fucking moron devoid of the intellectual spark that allows productive thinking and reasoning.

Sath I think I love you.

I miss you James ; ; you went to the wrong server, lol

Some would say I "PULLED A SATH" loooooool but really keeping on topic, the fact SE does like my G15 keyboard, means they must cater to it's services. If not there will be lots of angry E-Mails. So unless they quickly say "oh and btw 30+ macro lines added npnp!", I'm not switching to official ;o

[Ethican]

See, I think the reason they changed the macros and stuff was they were waiting for their players to quit so they could have the server space to store the macros on! (satire)

Most updates these days are like the world's best blowjob being ruined by the girl trying to shove a finger up your ass. ( seemed fitting enough)

SQEN really needs to deliver some QUALITY content.

[ronin sparthos]

Im just saying in as reasonanble a way as possible.... that what they are fixing will not change the game in the long run and is not worth front-page news. This is side-shit you throw into a weekly maintenence where servers go down 4-5hours honestly.

Where is the fixing of Ballista for the people that love that?
Where is the sprucing up of all the dead content that people would be thrilled over if they added one or two items worth the time? You'd have people fapping over something already in the game for years just by adding something to it.

"Dude, i cant wait for the update they are adding something to BRENNER HOLY SHIT."
"Brenner, whats that?"
"Some kinda Capture the Flag mini-game"
"Woah is that new, i never used it before"
"Nah its been in since the end of CoP but they added like some trinket items that are awesome, i cant wait to give it a try."
"Man i Love SE"
"Yeah man, SE is the shit"

Thats just one lame example of how something like a tweak in items or reward would create excitement for everyone, not just hardcore endgamers. All while devoting minimal resources to the effort, while working on the bettering the overall game. The amount of side-shit that could be fixed with 'an item here, and item there - some kinda cute trinket, some kinda spiffy titles' is positively mindboggling and its silly the game waters down to like 6 events when it could be far more with some more productive housecleaning.

"Next update, we plan to expand the abilities of raised chocobos to allow them to be called from a variety of old and new areas along with expanded capabilities of Fellowship NPCs. Stay tuned for more postively kupo-tastic news!"

Bam, that'd be something a majority of people would have little to complain about and it'd be rehash.... but it'd be fucking good rehash.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

I'd rather ZERO and ZERO information until they're ready to release substantial information, the game is fine how I play it now, I don't need promises of new awesome shit and then get fucking mage music. So you're a fan of the updates? Awesome, go fucking jack off over it, I'm not and I think they're fucking retarded.

/nod
This stuff could have just been announced with the update details, nothing extremely noteworthy.

As for the update itself
I play with controller all the time, using binds to macros is out of the question. Spellcast is nice, but I have too many situational gearsets. Maybe one day ill set it up but would be extremely involved. If the macro uploads are mandatory, I will put some time into it. Other then that ill get banned before I give up windower.

@Kenji - shut up... really. The bitching about the evil windower went out like 3 years ago. If you have been on this forum for longer then a day, youll realize that 95% of the people here want to maximize their potential. Whether its a matter of hitting 3 macros to do it, or 1 windower macro, compromise is not an option. On just about every job I have I swap out almost every gear slot between tp and ws. Does that mean im cheating? no. Is swapping your gear within the constraints of FFXI non windowed? YES you can use 3 fucking macros for 1 action... but why would you want to. You remind me of the retards on allakhazam saying "Its not fair if they see my tp if I want to sit on 300 tp for 5 minutes thats my perogative, i pay for my game so i decide how I want to play it" Well not in my party junior if you arent pulling your weight ill get someone who can. I dont exp for your enjoyment, I exp to advance my character, and youre slowing down the process. Either be quiet while the adults are talking or gtfo.

[Jkun]

"Next update, we plan to expand the abilities of raised chocobos to allow them to be called from a variety of old and new areas along with expanded capabilities of Fellowship NPCs. Stay tuned for more postively kupo-tastic news!"

I honest to god would love for this to be real.

[Suiram]

Calling chocobos in other areas would be well-received just because anything that allows faster legit travel is welcomed by most everyone. But as for Fellowship and Brenner, I mean there might be a few people who would be excited about it, but chances are this thread would be three times as large full of people bitching about how little they care about it. I'm remembering fellowship updates from back when it was actually newish content, and stuff like Fish Ranking here.

[Kenji]

I'm not whining I just think you are an idiot.

Edit to add something semi-contributory to the thread:

I have been a member of BG since Jan of 2005 and a reader of BG almost from the beginning. Granted I don't post in a ton of threads but I do read a lot. If there is one absolute truth to BG it is that it IS elitist. And you know what. That is why I love it. As with most of this community I strive to be the best, I strive to be the benchmark. If I wanted to do a 1500 rampage instead of a 1560 one and was happy with that then sure allakhaifrit would be my choice. But I choose better. That is why you are an idiot. You are forgetting the fundamental reason why BG is loved and are trying to justify your flawed logic to people that by their very nature won't accept it.

If you really think that's what I'm saying, you're not reading it right. But if you wanna put words in my mouth and attribute ideas and motivations to me, feel free. That's what makes Alla great, after all.

And I don't think you're whining, Kayos. It's obvious that a couple others are, however. Elitism can be good. I am here because I want better information and better attitudes. I want to improve my character. I just don't rely on a third party tool to do it. If that's the big elephant in the room that causes people to be offended at my attitude, then so be it. I don't care about popularity contests. You've partied with people that don't use them, and functioned just as well.

I don't care about Windowers. I don't care about claimbots. I don't care about extra macro tools. You wanna use em? Great! Go ahead. It's your game. I'll find enjoyment in matching the same level of performance without them.

But this has been derailed long enough. Carry on. Although I predict more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Alistaire]

Announcing increased macro lines then making it just more macros instead of more lines in a macro was a slap in the face.

They announced more macro lines? I think people need to stop seeing speculation(at the time) as official statements from SE.

They definitely announced that. Not in these updates, this was a while ago. They gave exact #'s and everything, then people speculated on whether that meant more lines per macro or just more macros and it turned out to be the latter.