Battle System Improvements (02/22/2008) - (Nothing good)

[Shuemue]

Probably just coincidence, but recently whenever I read Advanced, you're right here flaming away.

Your devotion to trolling is uncanny. :D

[BerenTebogo]

Probably just coincidence, but recently whenever I read Advanced, you're right here flaming away.

Your devotion to trolling is uncanny. :D

I take pride in my work

Edit: I guess I should really note, most days, I have absolutely nothing to complain about and am perfectly content just reading random stuff in newbie, this entire past week or so has just been hell on my brain cells, and to pass up such easy targets would be well...criminal.

I like it here when it's quiet, when the forums resemble a 8th grade field trip through a library, when you're just trying to quietly read, well...I get a bit pissed off.

[Toonshady]

saith makes hatred into a art form /clap

[neochaos]

Anyone notice the pattern that the only people who happen to either A. support SE fully or B. rant about our ranting is followed by stupidity. Let's see so far we have the "being good in this game isn't neccessary" and now we got an unsupported claim that all of us are gilbuyers who don't farm r/ex shit.

To all the SE haters that talk about SE not doing this, not doing that etc. You guys are the morons that have been crying the whole time about this or that, but when SE does change something (see VE, LL, Moo, Huu, etc) you still don't get off your ass to farm the items you cried about.

You bitched to get rid of RMT from controlling these items, but you still don't have any single R/E item. You weren't camping the 3rd week after the change when I strolled into the zone on my choco and killed VE without anyone even knowing, getting drop, and walking the rest of the way to Gustav.

I have learned that you complained about RMT this whole time, while buying major gil in the process. I come to this conclusion because during the big gil buying extravaganza everyone had hauby, two snipers, HQ earrings, SHs, Byrnies, you get the point.

The same person complained that if there was no RMT, they could make so much gil if RMT would let loose their chokehold on the market. Now we look and there are mobs for farming up everywhere with no one farming. You never wanted to farm, you just wanted to justify buying gil this whole time. You never wanted to camp the NMs, you just wanted to bitch at SE for not doing their job.

We have seen you lose the good gear and become one of those gimps walking around at level 75 ruby rings, fang earrings, Narasimha vests etc. Tabzaring wars, life belt MNKs, fudo NINs, it's just sickening.

Now you cry that SE is doing too little too late, well, news break, you dumb mother fuckers have been playing this game for 4+ years and probably complained to SE about battle music for mages, but you still want to cry that SE is late.

You had, and still have, your chance to quit this game and play a perfect game, it's out there right?

No, there isn't a perfect game, every game has people who are going to be pessomistic because thats how the mass public is, they think the corparation is evil, and underground is cool, until underground becomes cool, then they are sellouts. STFU already, stop sending SE emails that RNGs are pwning you, stop sending notifaction that BLM is overpowered, stop bitching about cannons, then be over jubilant when any group of gimps can show up and chain 100+ without a BRD on colibri.

Does this game have flaws? Yes. Can this game be improved? Yes. Does SE "need" to improve? No. If they made no changes at all, we would continue to play, just as we have since before this update.

If you were so upset about how SE runs things, you would of quit this game years ago, and it would have died.

Everything bolded is everything absolutely stupid you just said. I italicized the part about the rmt deal because I do clearly remember adamant rmt-haters who were anti-gilbuyers pop up with HQ gear in 2005 overnight. Lol@that.

From clearly reading your post it's obvious you are either a total void of intellegence, or there's someone here you hate (seeing as you said "you" so much). Either way I'm sure it leads to column A.

[510Meeze]

I was using R/E items as examples of when the band of morons that bitch about SE over and over for the last few years, only to them continue to find something more to bitch about.

They made some items R/E, what happened? Well, the same people who bitched sat in whitegate bitching about how many people are at the camp, their new excuse for not getting the item.

Sellers on a lot of servers have been diminished to near nothing (farmers, campers), opening up plenty of opportunity for all the gimps that continue to be gimp, even after many months of being 75.

People bitch to bitch, my bitching is about the people who bitch at SE. I like the game, I liked it 4+ years ago, I still like it, I acknowledge that there can be improvements, but overall people complain about way too many things in this game.

Even when SE does something the majority feels is right, how many "oh my god, SE should of done this 3 years ago, they're dumb". When they do something wrong it's "oh my god, thats dumb, why don't they fix the shit want fixed".

[Toonshady]

I was using R/E items as examples of when the band of morons that bitch about SE over and over for the last few years, only to them continue to find something more to bitch about.

They made some items R/E, what happened? Well, the same people who bitched sat in whitegate bitching about how many people are at the camp, their new excuse for not getting the item.

Sellers on a lot of servers have been diminished to near nothing (farmers, campers), opening up plenty of opportunity for all the gimps that continue to be gimp, even after many months of being 75.

People bitch to bitch, my bitching is about the people who bitch at SE. I like the game, I liked it 4+ years ago, I still like it, I acknowledge that there can be improvements, but overall people complain about way too many things in this game.

Even when SE does something the majority feels is right, how many "oh my god, SE should of done this 3 years ago, they're dumb". When they do something wrong it's "oh my god, thats dumb, why don't they fix the shit want fixed".

that's because they really should have done all those things 3 years ago! and they wouldn't have done anything if not for the playerbase complaining about it. have you been living under a pile of manure for the past 4 years?

[510Meeze]

You are making gigantic blanket statements that are nowhere near applicable or justifiable. We don't have rare/ex version cuz we don't farm (who the fuck is "you guys" anyways?)? That's odd, but I believe I have empress pin, bounding boots, kote, kyahan, retaliators, etc. Let's make some more unfounded blanket statements ok?

Yes, I am making a blanket statement about the general population in this game. Aside from hardcore end gamers, the majority are quite content being gimp.

SE didnt have to fuck with the economy and gilflow and make all those things rare/ex in the first place. People bitched because SE could have simply banned RMT. It's great now that they are doing it, but it doesn't change the fact that they were lazy in the first place.

Go look up the threads when they announced this. The list of gushing morons who "couldn't beat RMT" is incredibly long. Shit, even before they bitched and moaned about "if only kote and fumas didn't pop on the platform". So SE changed it, and still no one camped. A few weeks after they changed VE, I was cruising along, and bam, there is VE. Not one single person showed up, nor did I pass anyone on the way to get kill. Mere weeks and no one was camping.

Buying gil? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you know what inflation IS? You have to be kidding and are a troll, tell me you are because I want to believe public school didn't fail anyone this badly.

Just to clarify where the inflation came from: RMT duping mass amounts of gil and flooding their websites with it, while the eager kids bought it up by the barrel. It was no natural inflation, because artificial means of obtaining gil were introduced to RMT groups. When SE started taking gil out of the economy by banning RMT mules, prices were driven down because there wasn't enough gil to buy.

Perhaps you should mosey on down to the gimp/wtf/confused player thread and find people blowing chunks over NQ items and then check out the "Post pictures of your gear thread." I wasn't aware Black belts, togi+1's, and ridaberks were gimp as fuck and comparable to Narashima's vest, but whatever floats your boat in your little dream world.

You're an idiot if you think I'm calling BB MNKs, Ridillberks, etc gimp. I'm calling the majority of WARs gimps. Ridillberks aren't the norm, nor are BB MNKs. I will say I had three BB MNKs in a group the other day, and I outparsed the other two on my NIN. The parse was done by third MNK who happened to have 3 pieces of usukane. I wont go as far as to call them gimp, but I really shouldn't be beating BB MNKs.

The majority of players I've merited with the last few weeks are just flat out lacking in sense and gear. Ruby rings, SH WARs, arhats leg NINs, eating meat while offhanding joytoy, capped sword skill (merit) but not axe, I can go on forever really, but I'm going to continue.

BLM is overpowered? Oh god, it seems I've stepped in a time warp and it's 2005, someone help me out. Where the fuck are you getting this shit? BLM is one of the shit on jobs now due to it's substandard abilities in an exp party. When did RNG "pwn" people? Honestly, 2005 called and they want their village idiot back.

I'm using past examples of "fixes" that SE has done when people have bitched and complained. If I only used recent examples I would have less to draw on obviously.[/quote]

lol@ SE not needing to improve. I forgot how much we all love waiting 3 months for updates to fish ranking, the introduction of terrible drop rates, and the apparently ever-so-long-awaited outside battle music.

Which is exactly point, you've been playing for multiple years probably, and you continue to play. If things are so awful, quit. You should know by now how SE operates, there isn't any reason to get bent out of shape because SE isn't fast as you'd like. They have been consistent over the last few years, even if it is consistently slow.

Just an afterthought: I'm not looking for a pass on the incoherence of my first post, but I typed it a bit intoxicated.

[510Meeze]

I was using R/E items as examples of when the band of morons that bitch about SE over and over for the last few years, only to them continue to find something more to bitch about.

They made some items R/E, what happened? Well, the same people who bitched sat in whitegate bitching about how many people are at the camp, their new excuse for not getting the item.

Sellers on a lot of servers have been diminished to near nothing (farmers, campers), opening up plenty of opportunity for all the gimps that continue to be gimp, even after many months of being 75.

People bitch to bitch, my bitching is about the people who bitch at SE. I like the game, I liked it 4+ years ago, I still like it, I acknowledge that there can be improvements, but overall people complain about way too many things in this game.

Even when SE does something the majority feels is right, how many "oh my god, SE should of done this 3 years ago, they're dumb". When they do something wrong it's "oh my god, thats dumb, why don't they fix the shit want fixed".

that's because they really should have done all those things 3 years ago! and they wouldn't have done anything if not for the playerbase complaining about it. have you been living under a pile of manure for the past 4 years?

The items going R/E didn't fix the situation, in fact for a while, the items rose in price because the supply diminished. There was a lack of players camping the items, and the price was driven up. The same player base that complained about the items before, were now in whitegate complaining there was too much competition. Now it's "SE should change the pop times so we can all get one" "SE should make it 100% drop since it's R/E".

Maybe SE should just make it so that you are given fumas and okote the first time you zone into Castle O. Maybe SE should just give everyone what they want.

Just reminded of another improvement people aren't capitalizing on. Remember Einherjar? How happy WARs and PLDs and RDMs were they made E.body, A.body, and M.body available to everyone? What happened there? Only the LSs that are in DA are even doing einherjar now.

My social started an Einherjar LS. First week we had to turn people away, the next week we had enough, the next week we were down in the 20s, the week after we were struggling to make numbers, the week after we put a minimum in where we wouldn't waste a glass, then the LS disbanded.

It was just too hard for the majority of players, too hard for the skill and gear level of most players. Walking into Einherjar unmerited and NQ'd up isn't going to cut it.

Just another fix that the majority of players don't exploit.

[Demosthenes11]

preaching to the fucking choir man...
These hardcore "Endgamers" are the very people you are talking to, and using pronouns like "you" here is ridiculous.

Congrats on you getting fucking lucky with VE, but the fact is that 99.9% of the time for 2+ months that was a packed camp. Just because you got lucky doesn't prove anything other than you got lucky.

As you pointed out, the inflation did likely come from mass dupings of gil...but INFLATION means that currency is worth a lot less than it once was, meaning EVERYTHING rises in price. You are stupid to think everyone bought gil then, fuck I know a lot of people that made a shit load of gil that xmas.

Since when does bitching mean that someone hates something? Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.


In short: preaching to the choir, you're an idiot, pineapple

[510Meeze]

preaching to the fucking choir man...
These hardcore "Endgamers" are the very people you are talking to, and using pronouns like "you" here is ridiculous.

Congrats on you getting fucking lucky with VE, but the fact is that 99.9% of the time for 2+ months that was a packed camp. Just because you got lucky doesn't prove anything other than you got lucky.

As you pointed out, the inflation did likely come from mass dupings of gil...but INFLATION means that currency is worth a lot less than it once was, meaning EVERYTHING rises in price. You are stupid to think everyone bought gil then, fuck I know a lot of people that made a shit load of gil that xmas.

Since when does bitching mean that someone hates something? Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.


In short: preaching to the choir, you're an idiot, pineapple

I'd be shocked if the majority of the people who read this are decked out players. The inflation brought along players who bought mass amounts of gil to buy the items they couldn't buy before. Check some wars now (not ridilberks) and just imagine what they looked like 3 Xmas ago (or was it 2).

The people who were already rich, got richer by exploiting the mass amounts of players who purchased gil.

Look at how many people think XXX player on their server bought gil to finance relic weapons, or level a craft to 100. (or dropped a pair of gaiters)

RMT merely duping gil would not create inflation, that gil needs to be distributed to the public (via purchasing gil).

[BerenTebogo]

preaching to the fucking choir man...
These hardcore "Endgamers" are the very people you are talking to, and using pronouns like "you" here is ridiculous.

Congrats on you getting fucking lucky with VE, but the fact is that 99.9% of the time for 2+ months that was a packed camp. Just because you got lucky doesn't prove anything other than you got lucky.

As you pointed out, the inflation did likely come from mass dupings of gil...but INFLATION means that currency is worth a lot less than it once was, meaning EVERYTHING rises in price. You are stupid to think everyone bought gil then, fuck I know a lot of people that made a shit load of gil that xmas.

Since when does bitching mean that someone hates something? Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.


In short: preaching to the choir, you're an idiot, pineapple

I'd be shocked if the majority of the people who read this are decked out players. The inflation brought along players who bought mass amounts of gil to buy the items they couldn't buy before. Check some wars now (not ridilberks) and just imagine what they looked like 3 Xmas ago (or was it 2).

The people who were already rich, got richer by exploiting the mass amounts of players who purchased gil.

Look at how many people think XXX player on their server bought gil to finance relic weapons, or level a craft to 100. (or dropped a pair of gaiters)

RMT merely duping gil would not create inflation, that gil needs to be distributed to the public (via purchasing gil).

Why does everyone think this is fucking allakazahm? We're the people zammamites and KI fags bitch about, because we won't invite them to merit.

You newfags need to gtfo.

[Charismatic]

Aww damn, Sath busted out the n-word.

Cue LURK MOAR vs newfag discussion.

...oh wait, wrong website.

[510Meeze]

preaching to the fucking choir man...
These hardcore "Endgamers" are the very people you are talking to, and using pronouns like "you" here is ridiculous.

Congrats on you getting fucking lucky with VE, but the fact is that 99.9% of the time for 2+ months that was a packed camp. Just because you got lucky doesn't prove anything other than you got lucky.

As you pointed out, the inflation did likely come from mass dupings of gil...but INFLATION means that currency is worth a lot less than it once was, meaning EVERYTHING rises in price. You are stupid to think everyone bought gil then, fuck I know a lot of people that made a shit load of gil that xmas.

Since when does bitching mean that someone hates something? Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.


In short: preaching to the choir, you're an idiot, pineapple

I'd be shocked if the majority of the people who read this are decked out players. The inflation brought along players who bought mass amounts of gil to buy the items they couldn't buy before. Check some wars now (not ridilberks) and just imagine what they looked like 3 Xmas ago (or was it 2).

The people who were already rich, got richer by exploiting the mass amounts of players who purchased gil.

Look at how many people think XXX player on their server bought gil to finance relic weapons, or level a craft to 100. (or dropped a pair of gaiters)

RMT merely duping gil would not create inflation, that gil needs to be distributed to the public (via purchasing gil).

Why does everyone think this is fucking allakazahm? We're the people zammamites and KI fags bitch about, because we won't invite them to merit.

You newfags need to gtfo.

Because of the allalike tendencies this forum shows?

Example: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30263 Someone makes a post people don't like, and everyone and their mother bandwagons the "gtfo" "ibtl" comments. I'd expect the mature quality end gamer to ignore posts and let mods decide if it is in fact worthy of being locked/deleted.

On a side note about that thread. It seems to me the people bitching about VE, KA etc were the people who weren't making gil on the items. After they were changed to R/E, the people who were making gil were bitching, but they are the minority. The lazy get rewarded, while the people who actually tried and succeeded were punished.

[LD]

What are you, stupid or something? Maturity and knowing what the hell you're doing have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The reason people call BG elitist is not because they hold themselves to a higher social standard, but a higher intellectual standard, and that usually goes along with telling someone how ignorant they are in the most dramatic way possible.

[BerenTebogo]

Maybe because posts like that go here: viewforum.php?f=31, or here http://www.killingifrit.com or zam, and not in the advanced section of BG?

Point is, we trash people who don't belong here, stroll in and act like they run the place and are the hottest shit since Vin Diesel, all it takes is a tiny bit of using the search comment, or 5 minutes learning the forum layout to not get flamed, if you don't take 5 minutes you deserve the full force of lol's and noob and gtfo's that you receive, and hopefully, you don't come back.

[510Meeze]

Maybe because posts like that go here: http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=31, or here http://www.killingifrit.com or zam, and not in the advanced section of BG?

Point is, we trash people who don't belong here, stroll in and act like they run the place and are the hottest shit since Vin Diesel, all it takes is a tiny bit of using the search comment, or 5 minutes learning the forum layout to not get flamed, if you don't take 5 minutes you deserve the full force of lol's and noob and gtfo's that you receive, and hopefully, you don't come back.

I didn't know that advanced player meant really good at forums. I figured it would include end gamish like activities such as camping KA or Juggy.

I'm not defending the guy, I mean, he is like 2 years late. I'm assuming if he only started making gil at level 75 doing these activities, he probably gimped all the way to 75.

[Lurking Badger]

Allakazham server is down.

[CeridwenOfKujata]

If you want to sit and press one button every 5 minutes and play at full effectiveness, go play Oregon Trail or some bullshit.

How can anyone hate the awesomeness that was "The Oregon Trail"?

Only thing that beats Oregon Trail was Yukon Trail.... or that Amazon Trail game where if you hit the jagged rocks your boat flipped over and you died...... or you got mauled by jaguars or poisoned by a snake..... or caught malaria... damn those were the days.

Truly, it was awesome. I still have my Amazon Trail CD in the back room(f**k yeah!).

Also, lulzy thread is lulzy. Way more fun to read than the update notes from SE.

[ronin sparthos]

People will always bitch about things, when things come 2-3years too late do you think that everyone is going to just up and say that its an 'amazing idea, good job SE'? No. You mention quitting when people dont like things? Well some people do that, and some people have connections to the game that they reason is worth staying. Now, let me proceed to analyzing your statements:

To all the SE haters that talk about SE not doing this, not doing that etc. You guys are the morons that have been crying the whole time about this or that, but when SE does change something (see VE, LL, Moo, Huu, etc) you still don't get off your ass to farm the items you cried about.

Ok, you've posted another one of SEs half-assed attempts to fix things in the game. Some people go 1/1 on the rare/ex items you mentioned without RMT or sellers farming it and thats awesome but then you have people that go 0/75 on shit like okotes vs other people with similar terrible records and for what? Claiming and killing none of these mobs is a challenge, unless you consider challenge a 2-4hour timesink. Why make an item that has no monetary value have a terrible drop when it could/should be a common drop? cue me in on SEs genius im missing.

I have learned that you complained about RMT this whole time, while buying major gil in the process. I come to this conclusion because during the big gil buying extravaganza everyone had hauby, two snipers, HQ earrings, SHs, Byrnies, you get the point.

The same person complained that if there was no RMT, they could make so much gil if RMT would let loose their chokehold on the market. Now we look and there are mobs for farming up everywhere with no one farming. You never wanted to farm, you just wanted to justify buying gil this whole time. You never wanted to camp the NMs, you just wanted to bitch at SE for not doing their job.

As someone who made 40million just doing BCNMS during the super-flation, the notion that everyone was buying gil is a fucking fallacy. Im sure just because i wasnt grinding out Gigas welfare like everyone else that i was buying that uber gilz that everyone who posts on BG was right?

Even when SE does something the majority feels is right, how many "oh my god, SE should of done this 3 years ago, they're dumb". When they do something wrong it's "oh my god, thats dumb, why don't they fix the shit want fixed".

People will always complain, the point is that when updates are in 3month doses the LAST thing people wanna see if sweeping changes to pankration which translates to content that no one will give a fuck about in a week, 'changes to battle system' which translates to something you use once then forget exists and while all the common sense problems that are screaming out to be fixed falls by the wayside.

Just to clarify where the inflation came from: RMT duping mass amounts of gil and flooding their websites with it, while the eager kids bought it up by the barrel. It was no natural inflation, because artificial means of obtaining gil were introduced to RMT groups. When SE started taking gil out of the economy by banning RMT mules, prices were driven down because there wasn't enough gil to buy.

Half the equation much? The inflation wasnt only caused by people buying gil, it was also created by RMT injecting their stockpiled funds into the AH via pricejacking/fixing and other players capitalizing on this by raising the bar on prices until things became hyperinflated. Prices dropped when RMT were banned, everyone squandered their large sums of gil and became poor and broke because of the hyperinflated prices not matching the smaller and smaller amount of gil people had to spend leading to the deflation thats commonplace today.

Go look up the threads when they announced this. The list of gushing morons who "couldn't beat RMT" is incredibly long. Shit, even before they bitched and moaned about "if only kote and fumas didn't pop on the platform". So SE changed it, and still no one camped. A few weeks after they changed VE, I was cruising along, and bam, there is VE. Not one single person showed up, nor did I pass anyone on the way to get kill. Mere weeks and no one was camping.

SE makes the NMs pop in different places and removes the value of the items, Yay. SE does not change the drop rates that do not match an item with no value, Failure. You got lucky and think that everyone camping will get lucky? No, sorry - go find those huddled masses going 0/75 like i said before.

Just reminded of another improvement people aren't capitalizing on. Remember Einherjar? How happy WARs and PLDs and RDMs were they made E.body, A.body, and M.body available to everyone? What happened there? Only the LSs that are in DA are even doing einherjar now.

My social started an Einherjar LS. First week we had to turn people away, the next week we had enough, the next week we were down in the 20s, the week after we were struggling to make numbers, the week after we put a minimum in where we wouldn't waste a glass, then the LS disbanded.

Do you even know why people dont do Einherjar? The organization needed versus the drop rate makes it largely unattractive to everyone thats doing it. Again another situation where SE did something half-assed, are you seeing the pattern? Alternate way of doing kings and a cool fight versus Odin, yay! 5% drop rates, 3day limitations, losing all feathers to enter Odins room, random monsters that can create unwinnable rooms and did i mention low drop rates? wtf @ SE.

Thats why people bitch, because something like Einherjar which could easily be fixed is being ignored for 'important' things that SE could throw in a weekly patch. More dead content they refuse to acknowledge needs help, no its the playerbase that sucks and the devs are geniuses right?

Conquering low drop rates =/= conquering an actual challenge, something SE refuses to acknowledge time and time again.

'Omg i got my empress hairpin, 1/1 - if they made it 100% SE would hitting the easy button'

Yeah..... no.

[Demosthenes11]

Maybe because posts like that go here: viewforum.php?f=31, or here http://www.killingifrit.com or zam, and not in the advanced section of BG?

Point is, we trash people who don't belong here, stroll in and act like they run the place and are the hottest shit since Vin Diesel, all it takes is a tiny bit of using the search comment, or 5 minutes learning the forum layout to not get flamed, if you don't take 5 minutes you deserve the full force of lol's and noob and gtfo's that you receive, and hopefully, you don't come back.

I didn't know that advanced player meant really good at forums. I figured it would include end gamish like activities such as camping KA or Juggy.

I'm not defending the guy, I mean, he is like 2 years late. I'm assuming if he only started making gil at level 75 doing these activities, he probably gimped all the way to 75.

lol, KA and juggy are not endgame activities.

Ronin - I admit I didn't care for you when you first started posting on these forums, but you rarely say something I don't agree with / I find stupid anymore.