Battle System Improvements (02/22/2008) - (Nothing good)

[shaddix]

http://windower.faservers.net/wiki/plugins/spellcast

[BerenTebogo]

And the fact that if the macro upload is mandatory, about 90% of posters on this board will face potential bannings?

Maybe people are a bit upset about that?

I don't give a flying fuck that you're too lazy to re-write your macros for your ps2/xbox/whatever, that's being lazy, thats much different from the vast majority of PC players facing action for not wanting to hit 4 macros every time they do something that occurs about every 20 seconds, and have them not even fire off right half the time because of the terrible lag when using normal SE macros, so you end up TPing in half heca and mashing a button that doesn't want to work.

Did you miss the part where SE said using 3rd party tools is a no no? Perhaps look at your gear and decide which pieces don't really need to be macroed in because it's a minimal improvement to have that extra 1-2 strength on a WS?

It might be a shocker, but the game can be played without massive gear swaps.

Really guys, if I were a dev, I'd be asking myself why I tell you guys anything at all. I figure out a way to get around a technological hurdle that addresses an issue that some of the playerbase has talked about, and am rather pleased with myself. Do I:

A. Say nothing to the playerbase, and have them get pissy because I say nothing?

B. Release it as yet another tidbit to let them know what's coming, and have them get pissy because it's not exactly what some of the other playerbase would like to hear?

The world doesn't revolve around you. Get over it. Some people do like hearing about any improvements, no matter how small and insignificant they are to you. Everytime I read a damn whiny post, I can't help but see a spoiled child complaining that they got a choo-choo train from that particular present, instead of the airplane they wanted. Even though there's a bunch of other unopened presents still sitting there.

Seriously, grow the fuck up.

For the record, I personally feel it's a very minor thing, and don't particularly care about this particular update. Just like I didn't care about the latest doll festival one. I want to hear about the Summoner spirit mp restore thing. But I didn't come on here to whine that they released this info, instead of the job one.

ITT: BG is turning into ZAM

Gear swaps aren't important?

Fucking quit FFXI

[The Blackrose]

ITT: BG is turning into ZAM

Gear swaps aren't important?

Fucking quit FFXI

Goddamn it Sath, beating me to the punch again.

[Fhqwghads]

I'll get b& before I stop using Windower. When that happens, game over anyway. Seriously, screw this game without Windower.

[ronin sparthos]

The issue is more that tons of 'legit' players use the unofficial windower, so much so that even SE knows it. (they cant promote it though) SE wants to revive Skillchains, do you think thats gonna happen with the mundane and archaic 'TP currently = <tp>' macros? Demonizing the unofficial windower is silly, even SE knows their official windower was just something they whipped together to shut people up - its not a claim bot and it doesnt cause you to POS hack so yeah... whats the issue again?

The title 'legit' users is silly when SE knows a huge chunk of other 'legit' users are using the unofficial windower because its more efficient - the uploading macros thing is great for console/PC users, it will be optional and probably become just another 'add-on' for most people - the more important question is: Was this worth an entire update note?? because ive seen SE make additions like this and they just tagged it onto the update notes on the day of the maint/patch.

[BerenTebogo]

And regarding Alleya on the binds:

Yeah, I'm gonna look into it, honestly I don't know much about it / how they work as is, I'm not really smooth around a computer and if they work, fine and dandy, I'll use them.

[Jkun]

And regarding Alleya on the binds:

Yeah, I'm gonna look into it, honestly I don't know much about it / how they work as is, I'm not really smooth around a computer and if they work, fine and dandy, I'll use them.

Aliases and "//tpsetup", "//wssetup" etc. commands work pretty well, but you'll have to open up the console each time you log in to start up the macro sets. I dun like using binds because I change jobs at least 3 times every day and it's annoying to bind and unbind sets. Honestly though if it ISN'T optional and they have enough time to check every single player's macros for useless cases like this, but not look into people who bot every single daaaaay then they're doing something wrong!

[Bardlet]

Hmm, looks like it's time to convert most my macros to G-key binds on my G15 until this whole uploading macro thing is determined to be okay for Windower macros, or a witchhunt.

Moving from PS2/360 to PC for windower macros was the best thing I ever did. No longer do I need 3 macros for Sneak Attack (2 to change gear, one for the JA). I don't want to go back to that. ;-;

[Therin]

I'm calling:

Abjuration and Notorious Monster Updates (2/25/08)

In the upcoming March version update, the following adjustments to notorious monsters and other high level content will be made:

- The monsters Behemoth, Adamatoise, and Fafnir, along with their higher-level counterparts, will now spawn on two-hour intervals rather than once daily.

- The items known as "abjurations" will now be able to be purchased from various Campaign arbiters at a rate of 250,000 allied notes per item.

- The notorious monster known as Absolute Virtue will only use each of his special "two-hour" job abilities once per two hours.

OH NOES OMG THEY MADE KINGS EASY TO CLAIM AND MY BOT ISN'T WORTH $20 ANYMORE

AND NOW EVERYONE WILL HAVE FKN ABJURATIONS AND AV ITEMS AND NONE OF IT WILL BE WORTH ANYTHING ANYMORE, WAAAAAH

AND WE WERE SO CLOSE TO FIGURING OUT AV AND NOW THEY NERFED IT OMG SE SUCKS

People will complain about anything.

[Toth]

Again, the text of the teaser implies this will be optional. If SE really wanted to catch people off guard with this and bring out the banstick, they probably would have waited until the update notes to spring it on us.

[Jkun]

Hmm, looks like it's time to convert most my macros to G-key binds on my G15 until this whole uploading macro thing is determined to be okay for Windower macros, or a witchhunt.

Moving from PS2/360 to PC for windower macros was the best thing I ever did. No longer do I need 3 macros for Sneak Attack (2 to change gear, one for the JA). I don't want to go back to that. ;-;

Same. Originally, G15 binds was the reason I bought the thing for, lol. And I like it D:

[Toth]

I'm calling:

Abjuration and Notorious Monster Updates (2/25/08)

In the upcoming March version update, the following adjustments to notorious monsters and other high level content will be made:

- The monsters Behemoth, Adamatoise, and Fafnir, along with their higher-level counterparts, will now spawn on two-hour intervals rather than once daily.

- The items known as "abjurations" will now be able to be purchased from various Campaign arbiters at a rate of 250,000 allied notes per item.

- The notorious monster known as Absolute Virtue will only use each of his special "two-hour" job abilities once per two hours.

OH NOES OMG THEY MADE KINGS EASY TO CLAIM AND MY BOT ISN'T WORTH $20 ANYMORE

AND NOW EVERYONE WILL HAVE FKN ABJURATIONS AND AV ITEMS AND NONE OF IT WILL BE WORTH ANYTHING ANYMORE, WAAAAAH

AND WE WERE SO CLOSE TO FIGURING OUT AV AND NOW THEY NERFED IT OMG SE SUCKS

People will complain about anything.

Oh lord, Therin. BG would implode if this came to pass lol.

[Tajin]

God how I wish you were right Therin, that would be win in awesome sauce.

[BerenTebogo]

As long as they add some content to counter what I spend at least 6 hours a day on, so I'm not bored (i already find time to nyzul / salvage / enm / the ashu talif / campaign) then I don't care if they make KB a 5 minute repop timer, able to be killed by merit parties, and 100% drop Dring.

[Zak]

People will complain about anything.

It's always the same people that turn every update thread into a whinefest.

[shaddix]

<_<

[Suiram]

Even if it did automatically upload your macros--and I really can't see why they would implement it that way--I think there's a better chance of the NSA filtering through your macros for terrorist activities than SE for windower macro use, that just doesn't seem to be a huge concern of theirs. And it wouldn't matter even if they did, because if it does turn out to be an automatic upload it's likely going to take the windower people about 15 minutes to develop a way to execute them in an inconspicuous manner.

[Kaisha]

For the macro saving, I think it's about time they actually put buttons on the character display screen for those. Having to remember the key/controller combo (Ctrl+Shift+R/L or something like that) is annoying. More-so when the only place in the entire game where that's mentioned is only in the help section of the POL site. (afaik [EDIT] Nope, it's in the Help Desk's search listings also...but I doubt even uses that thing, Shift+Alt+Ctrl+B/R.....jeez)

Anyways, it may not be made of win, but at least it's showing SE is back to messing with the engine again, which is either a good or bad thing depending on how many things break this time. Maybe they'll ninja in a fix for the PS2-sea issue since they clearly are neglecting to confirm it exists.

[Spider-Dan]

putting /console exec and // commands in ffxi macros is not the proper way to do windower macros, the keys themselves are normally bound to aliases which are then assigned to text files to execute what gearswaps/spells that you have.

However, /console exec in a macro works with both keyboard and controller, so...

I think the tinfoil hat brigade needs to calm down with the shouting about windower macros getting you ban't. If Squenix really cared about such things, they would have already implemented a system of scanning macros for suspect lines. Keeping in mind that a mechanism for quickly backing up macros has existed for many years, they wouldn't have do to anything more complex than make every client execute a silent SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+B upon login, at which point any GM could scan your macros in exactly the same way that they can already scan your text logs.

Macro and marker (<--- markers are a hell of a lot harder to re-create than macros) backup is unqualified win, stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

[Fhqwghads]

Abjuration and Notorious Monster Updates (2/25/08)

In the upcoming March version update, the following adjustments to notorious monsters and other high level content will be made:

- The monsters Behemoth, Adamatoise, and Fafnir, along with their higher-level counterparts, will now spawn on two-hour intervals rather than once daily.

- The items known as "abjurations" will now be able to be purchased from various Campaign arbiters at a rate of 250,000 allied notes per item.

- The notorious monster known as Absolute Virtue will only use each of his special "two-hour" job abilities once per two hours.

Don't freakin' tease like that. The scale of usefulness would be shifted 2^1000000000 places to the right. The old list would look like this:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1...efulep2gy5.jpg