Bio 3

[Skeetaru]

K well i decided that I am going to Cap bio 3 merits for my RDM, now I've done alot of searching and generally I find just arguments by uninformed people about tiers and effectiveness and things of that nature. A few main questions:

1. What is the highest tier (non /sch) attainable for bio3 and exactly how much damage per tick is it?
2. If you capped bio3, do you regret it? Love it? Hate it?
3. Has any testing been done on /sch to see if there is a "Higher Tier"?
4. Would you sleep with me?

[Shadowhusky]

4. Would you sleep with me?

Sure.

[Skeetaru]

Aw cmon the only question i got answered was the one I knew the answer to!

ill add a 5th

5. Why is Belkin too scared to solo Mother Globe?

[Callisto]

K well i decided that I am going to Cap bio 3 merits for my RDM, now I've done alot of searching and generally I find just arguments by uninformed people about tiers and effectiveness and things of that nature. A few main questions:

1. What is the highest tier (non /sch) attainable for bio3 and exactly how much damage per tick is it?
AFAIK the highest non /SCH tier is 8/tick, w/ capped merits it's 240 damage over 90 seconds not counting initial damage, the same amount that Bio II outputs in 120 seconds at 6/tick.
2. If you capped bio3, do you regret it? Love it? Hate it?
I used to, then undid it for more a party-oriented Group 2 setup. If you're going to DoT solo heavy duty NMs, it's very nice to have, it'll shave about 1/3 off of the amount of time it takes to DoT something to death over Bio II, and faster is safer. I miss it when doing Zip/SC now, but I'm happy with my stronger Para II and Phalanx II, and Bio II although slower is good enough for me.
3. Has any testing been done on /sch to see if there is a "Higher Tier"?
I haven't seen any, I want to but I dropped Bio III altogether and I'm not redoing my Group 2's again.
4. Would you sleep with me?
and we'll talk.
5. Why is Belkin too scared to solo Mother Globe?
He quit doing RDM solos, he's too busy warping minds and asploding linkshells.

[Seditedi]

Aw cmon the only question i got answered was the one I knew the answer to!

ill add a 5th

5. Why is Belkin too scared to solo Mother Globe?

You can't solo it.
Lowest I've done it with was 3 RDM/NIN.. duo might be possible, but tough.

[Belkin]

Aw cmon the only question i got answered was the one I knew the answer to!

ill add a 5th

5. Why is Belkin too scared to solo Mother Globe?

awwwwwwwww gurl

[Belkin]

1. What is the highest tier (non /sch) attainable for bio3 and exactly how much damage per tick is it?

211 Dark Magic Skill - 8 Damage per tick


2. If you capped bio3, do you regret it? Love it? Hate it?

Love


3. Has any testing been done on /sch to see if there is a "Higher Tier"?

You can get there without /SCH, it is highly impractical though. It would be 269 Dark Magic Skill and it would be 10 Damage per tick.


4. Would you sleep with me?

Maybe.


5. Why is Belkin too scared to solo Mother Globe?

I'm a baby-back bitch.

[Darus Grey]

Is there a tier beyond 269 that is obtainable?

Max skill I can see would be.

256(/sch)
+16(merits)
+11(blood gauntlets)
+7(dark torque)
+5(merciful cape)
+5(Nashirs manteel)
+3 (Dark earring)
+5 (Abyssal Earring)

For 308

Then

Inferno sabots +1 (+5)
And Diablo's ring (+15)

For 328 skill on newmoon darkday.

I don't know the pattern for bio but am curious if theres another tier(does it follow same pattern as bio2? i.e. can say DRK hit a unique tier on bio2 by having up to theoretical 361 skill?)

Reason I ask is I'm planning to gear-up my rdm for soloing, but I have two "main" characters so if I'm "soloing" the other will be tagging along anyways(one being drk, other rdm in this scenario). I guess my question is, in terms of kill-time efficiency would I be better pimping out my RDM's BIO3 or my DRK's BIO2?

[Skeetaru]

Hmmm thanks for the responses, looks like i can ditch my dark earring and prob sell my -1 finger gauntlets. dark torque and merciful cape ftw, orrrr i could just uncurse the gauntlets and hit 211, either way its nice to know.

[Seditedi]

Depends how tight up you are on inventory space tbh, but I'd go with the Merc. Cape/Dark Torque route if I were you.
You're going to be carrying the Cape around anyways (for nuking) so just make some gil on the -1 and use the Torque/Cape :D

[Belkin]

291 is the last tier and it would be 12 damage per tick.


I use Crimson Hands and Nashira Manteel, but Crimson Hands and anything else would work just as well.

[Belkin]

Reason I ask is I'm planning to gear-up my rdm for soloing, but I have two "main" characters so if I'm "soloing" the other will be tagging along anyways(one being drk, other rdm in this scenario). I guess my question is, in terms of kill-time efficiency would I be better pimping out my RDM's BIO3 or my DRK's BIO2?

No hidden tier as far as I am aware. A 211 RDM Bio3 is as strong as a 291 BLM or DRK Bio2

[Howard Roark]

hmm lol, forgot about rdm solo

was gonna say 'i thought ppl only did capped bio 3 along with phalanx 2 on an alt in order to PL guard/parry skill'

me personally, i have a rdm alt im lvling and plan on capping these for the very same purpose, dunno what i'd put on my own rdm once it's 75, prob cap phalanx 2 and mix of slow/para 2

[Belkin]

Phalanx and Phalanx 2 reduce the same amount of damage. Only difference is that you can cast Phalanx 2 on other party members.

[Seditedi]

Phalanx and Phalanx 2 reduce the same amount of damage. Only difference is that you can cast Phalanx 2 on other party members.

Not true at all.
Phalanx II is a lower cap...

[Belkin]

So there you have it, if you merit Phalanx II to benefit yourself soloing, you are doing it wrong.

[Seditedi]

I'll try to find the formula again to confirm, checked it out a while back, and it's definitely lower, but yea Belkin is correct, you're a moron if you merit Phalanx II to benefit yourself soloing.

edit: From the otherwiki
Phalanx I damage absorbed per hit is equal to (Enhancing magic skill / 10) - 2
Don't even remember my max enhancing magic skill lol >_> think I had around 301.
So just saying at 300 skill you'd get 28 damage reduction.

Phalanx II damage prevented Formula for this spell is [(enhancing magic/25) +1 + (3 x MeritLv)]

So at 300 skill and level 3 merit you'd have 22 damage reduction.

[Not Kuno]

Phalanx and Phalanx 2 reduce the same amount of damage.

wut? lol

[Belkin]

The basic point I was trying to convey is that you shouldn't merit Phalanx II if you are soloing. My interest in looking up the formula is very little, all I know is that it isn't better.

[Seditedi]

Yeah.
I knew what you meant, I'm just anal lol.
It's less MP efficient and less damage reduction, don't merit it unless you are the tank party RDM moreso than not.