Einherjar Wing II advices

[Andrinne]

ok this may sound really random but are there any groups out there that don't use PLDs or NIN tanks on tier2 and 3 bosses?

My group is fairly new to einherjar although very experienced in endgame sky, sea tier2 jailers, bv2 etc. But being about 25 members at Einherjar we want to make the most of our ally. We generally don't include true Tanks (plds or nins) in our fights unless we absolutely have to.

So is it possible to do the tier2 and 3 bosses with a melee-burn or merit-type setup? i.e. almost all melees, few bards, few rdms or whms and a party of blms? Our core members are very quick thinkers and if it means someone pulling a mob away from another... one of our wars or sams could even get that done, but i am just wondering if there is another LS out there like ours? Or should i go ahead and plan for a Pld or two? and if so, why?

[Neosutra]

ok this may sound really random but are there any groups out there that don't use PLDs or NIN tanks on tier2 and 3 bosses?

My group is fairly new to einherjar although very experienced in endgame sky, sea tier2 jailers, bv2 etc. But being about 25 members at Einherjar we want to make the most of our ally. We generally don't include true Tanks (plds or nins) in our fights unless we absolutely have to.

So is it possible to do the tier2 and 3 bosses with a melee-burn or merit-type setup? i.e. almost all melees, few bards, few rdms or whms and a party of blms? Our core members are very quick thinkers and if it means someone pulling a mob away from another... one of our wars or sams could even get that done, but i am just wondering if there is another LS out there like ours? Or should i go ahead and plan for a Pld or two? and if so, why?

You dont "need" a pld or main tank, but having some person to keep hate on the mobs being slept so your brds dont get rushed or blm parties dont get murdered kinda helps. Just have the wars voke slept mobs, and sch keep grav/bind on mobs (or rdm if you dont have them), and have mages move away from slept mobs and youll be fine. If your melees are worth their merit they will have hate on boss anyways.

[Freysi]

How do you guys handle Mokkuralfi's Thundaga IV? It tends to rape all of our DDs in the face. Should we have everyone bring thunder resist? Is it stunnable? Is the % predictable enough so we can just have everyone get out of range at like 25% and wait for the tanks to eat it? Is the damage reduced based on number of people hit? Is the windup slow enough for PLDs to get off a Rampart?

[Farys]

Stun.

[Judai]

How do you guys handle Mokkuralfi's Thundaga IV? It tends to rape all of our DDs in the face. Should we have everyone bring thunder resist? Is it stunnable? Is the % predictable enough so we can just have everyone get out of range at like 25% and wait for the tanks to eat it? Is the damage reduced based on number of people hit? Is the windup slow enough for PLDs to get off a Rampart?

It uses Xenoglassia before Thundaga 4, so when you see that your stunners need to be ready to stun.

[Guitarman]

that, or since he does it at a certain percent, have everyone run away and have someone zerg it down past that point and eat the aoe.

[Andri]

Ok back with a question for those of you who do lower-man Einherjars (21-25 members). Generally what sort of Job setup do you use for Tier 2 (and is it any different than what you use for tiers 1 and 3?)

Here's why I ask My LS is feeling it's way along einherjar and we had a lot of success on Tier 1 with a melee-heavy, tp-burn like setup. We used maybe 1 party of blms for sleeps, stuns and the rest were melees (no ninjas, no plds) to burn through mobs. Tier 2 we have struggled a bit. We changed our setup slightly to add more blms so we can have them -ga/sleep/-ga etc a group of mobs if we need while the melees are calling and fighting other mobs.

A lot of job setup suggestions have been tossed out, such as we should keep a PLD on hand just in case we draw a boss like the golem to hold one form while we lower the HP of the other.

Another example: Should we afford for a fully merited thief to feint as much as possible to speed our kills? This would be useful but it lowers the number of heavy DDs we have.

Another: We need to plan for a blue each time because their light-based aoe sleeps and aoe hate spells would be great if we draw bats.

In short, if i cater to each of these ideas, i ding into my melee force with only 21-25 members on a given run.

What are your normal setups, do you include any of the above jobs routinely? How has it worked for you?

[Judai]

One RDM can hold a Golem, they are easily bound/grav'd. With the way mobs link now, you shouldn't need BLUs for sleeping. THF+Feint helps the entire group be a better DD.

We use mainly dd, w/ one pt of blms. Works pretty well except for our last run... fucking 24 slimes and pudding boss, rofl. Slimes just suck..

[Drex]

Poroggo boss uses Frog song every 2 min exactly (it's not a random attack) after each, he runs everywhere without taking into account the hate and uses graviga/water bomb only during 1 min (once the charmed person returns to normal). The same thing applies about Frog Chorus except he uses this when low hp and only once.

Pretty sure Water Bomb is hate reset, which is why he runs all over. I've definitely noticed he prefers going for people who haven't been hit by it yet, not just running around randomly.

[Tachi]

He starts to run randomly after each Frog Song/Chorus and can switch between 2 targets without use Water Bomb. If Water Bomb reset the hate, Graviga (the only spell he cast) does too but it's just a "special mode" where the hate doesn't count imo.

[Meat]

just a good hint for everyone here:

the dragon Boss , have an ES silence order , so he wont use his Song ... then he will be too weak

me: so who can es silence. @ up
blm 1 @
blm 2 @

me: wtf? what about you whm's?
/sch

orz

[donnie]

-.-

[donnie]

me: so who can es silence. @ up
blm 1 @
blm 2 @

me: wtf? what about you whm's?
/sch

orz

another hint here is leave blm for /assisting melees and doing nukes / stuns , and leave the sleepga to a rdm/blm + blu/war. its a golden mine that many LSs doesnt take advantage off and end up running out of time, since they keep thier blms doing sleepga orders and not focusing on dmg.

I was wondering that too, but I assumed Donni has tested this and knows what he is talking about..

I mean.. a person wouldnt just come onto this forums and post bullshit theories on shit they havent tested before would they..

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But serious, I dont know, if this works then /hurray. Oh, and are you saying this works for Thornsong AND Voidsong?

it does work , I never post anything out of speculation without saying along the lines with " perhaps etc.." , and I think its all songs , but most importantly a song that i am not sure the name was that takes all ur buffs and convert them to DMG.

[Meat]

another hint here is leave blm for /assisting melees and doing nukes / stuns , and leave the sleepga to a rdm/blm + blu/war. its a golden mine that many LSs doesnt take advantage off and end up running out of time, since they keep thier blms doing sleepga orders and not focusing on dmg.

we only take 2 blms in, it was more of a joke than anything... i guess not very funny

[deadpooled]

our einherjar ls did a tier 2 run tonight....entered to be greeted by 8 ORMRs which we were of the understanding that was a tier 3 mob....

placed GM call after we all got destroyed to ask if this was a normal mob for a tier 2 and not a tier 3 only....just to have a GM on a bad day respond basically saying 'yes its correct....perhaps everyone should update websites more often'

so basically im asking any of you einherjar veterans if the GM is being a typical ass or that they are correct and we can get these bloody dragons on a tier 2?

[cdgreg]

edit nm. I was thinking of Dahak boss in T2

[bercus]

and we can get these bloody dragons on a tier 2?

Yes

[Guitarman]

, and I think its all songs , but most importantly a song that i am not sure the name was that takes all ur buffs and convert them to DMG.

It's called nullsong. Melee need to click off pro/shell and any other unnecessary buffs.

Our ls being melee heavy (as is the cast in most shells), we got 2 sets of slimes + frog boss. That..didn't end well. So dumb to lose a tier 2 but thats about the nastiest combo you can possibly get out of this tier.

[Bakthi]

Our last T2 was slimes + clots, then tri-bats + corse. Honestly it didn't really matter what the boss was, as that double-Jell-o wave kind of broke us. Not many BLMs that night either, IIRC.

[Mertron]

Heh, we had the same thing our last t2. Spiders in wave one, wave 2 was Einherjar Brei and Winebibbers at the same time. Had no chance at killing all them in time, especially with linking problems.