
Originally Posted by
Woozie
It's not as simple as saying "If everyone can do <action> then there would be more people who <done action>" like the analogy of the woman getting to a top position at her place of employment.
Pretty much everyone I know of who went to the street life COULD be in college with me right now or working some honest, decent paying job, or at least doing something good with their lives. They didn't because they chose to go to the street life. They weren't forced to, and they didn't have anything holding them back that me or my brother didn't have holding us back as well. People are choosing to go the wrong route because either they're young and naive and/or because they don't realize the true consequences of their actions. Either way, the reason we don't have more people doing said actions isn't because they are at that much of a disadvantage, but because people just aren't making the right choices.
You are saying it wasn't hard for you to be successful because intelligent black people are not discriminated in the american school system? I'm not american and don't have alot of insight in this specific subject, but that might very well be true. But I don't see how it says anything about people who truly are disadvantaged in the school system. There aren't any political programs encouraging advantageous treatment of ugly intelligent people in the school system, for example. What about them? Is it just as easy for them to be successful?
Probably not, so to make up for their disadvantages they have to make a higher % of "right" choices. And I'm absolutely sure there are people who have made the same % of right choices as you, and still ended up as complete failures due to their genetic or environmental disadvantages.
That's just the tough/easy way of life though, and as long as we are born as unique individuals there will be generally disadvantaged and generally benefitted people. The problem is when people are discriminated for traits that don't affect their performance in that specific area. Discrimination is a remnant from our animal past, when other social groups than your own couldn't benefit you, as you weren't able to communicate with them or learn from them. It was natural to hinder them as they were purely competing with you, co-operation outside your own social group was hardly beneficial. This is not the case for humans and that's why it's incredibly ignorant to assume that the "laws of nature" can simply be applied on human society just because we are animals as well. If you want to discriminate, you should at the very least find proper reasons for doing so, and not just the usual "it's the natural thing to do, survival of the fittest", because that's not at all in line with Darwin's ideas. Overeating if there is food available is also the natural thing to do, but that doesn't fucking benefit you, does it?
Semi-tldrd this argument, so I'm not sure if this is entirely on the derailed topic, and the last paragraph isn't directed at Woozie specifically.