Are you racist?

[Andarvi]

lol, of course the two biggest morons on these boards oppose me. And for your information, I wasn't "comparing" Irish oppression to slavery, I was comparing the idea of being offended this far in the future from the events.

You two seriously need to evaluate who is really ignorant in this thread.

Also sunb1ind, you've proven yourself to be fucking retarded many times over on these boards. No one takes you seriously here. Do yourself a favor and just shuffle off.

Well, from your post, you may think you know about Irish heritage, but you know jack shit about African slavery. Where are you pulling 1840 out of? Your ass? Because African slavery in America existed for hundreds of years before that. Also, please state your definition of what a slave is, because if it is truly accurate, even the WORST experience felt by the Irish in the states greatly pales in comparison to those felt by slaves. YOU are a complete idiot to argue elsewise. I could spend a long time giving you a history lesson but right now do not have the time to.

[sunb1ind]

This guy has demonstrated in a previous thread with a debate on racism that he doesn't deserve a history lesson. Let him bathe in his own ignorance.

Don't blame him though, the Florida school system is an abomination to the whole country, which is a joke in comparison to the rest of the world.

[Creeps]

I was comparing the idea of being offended this far in the future from the events.

Like I said, I can't believe you're trying to compare the two.

God, you're dumb. You're completely missing the point, although I've made it perfectly clear. Being offended by past events that are barely related to your current situation is retarded. African-Americans have nothing to be pissed off about anymore. You get all kinds of free shit just because of your skin color. Get over it.

As for Andarvi's response, I just made up 1840 as an example. I'm well aware of African slavery, American history and world history in general. I never stated the Irish were slaves, I said they were indentured servants. I don't get pissed off about treatment of my ancestors, because it doesn't involve me and it wasn't nearly as bad as say, the Jews or Africans, by far. But I just find it funny that out of the many civilizations that were put into slavery, African-Americans have gotten the most reparations and yet there's still so much bitching about it. Anyone who was a slave has been dead for a long time now. Get over it.

sunb1ind, this is the first thread involving racism that I have seriously posted in. Any other thread I've posted in was just flame baiting because of boredom at work. Insulting the educational system of the state where I live is so played out by now. And fyi, you agree with Deejay who attends the same educational institution I do, so your comments about Florida's school system are completely off base.

Edit: lol grammar

[Deejay]

A little late to the party but lol @ people still working on their 4 year degrees calling a fucking LINGUISTICS PROFESSOR an idiot.

a LUNGUISTICS PROFESSOR? He just can't be wrong.

Edit: Also, I'm Irish and know the history of my heritage in America. The Irish were treated like shit by everyone too, having to work our way out of indentured servitude, not being able to find work, being beat up, spit on and abused, but I don't get offended if someone calls me a mick or makes fun of me being Irish. Do you know why? BECAUSE IT WAS HUNDREDS OF FUCKING YEARS AGO.

Ever hear of the Jena 6? Clue: Black people are still dealing with racism today. (CRAZY I KNOW)

You people seriously need to get over yourselves with this whole "nigger" thing. Guess what? You aren't the only race in history that's been oppressed. This shit is infuriating to me because it's basic logic that meanings of words change over time. The N bomb doesn't mean anything remotely close to what it meant in the past.

To who? You? Your linkshell? Your family? What do you think the n-word means?

Black people have gotten more shit from the government and US population than any other group of people, and for what? Because your ancestors were abused and put into slavery in 1840? Where's the damn reparations for the Irish then? Why isn't Egypt paying for the Jews to go to college? I hate all of you for making me even think about this.

lol.

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[sunb1ind]

Anyone who was a slave has been dead for a long time now. Get over it.

This is where you stop posting.

I live in FL and attended all FL schools. This was just an easy cheap shot to throw out, since you act like you are reciting crap out of an American History class in HS.

[Creeps]

The term "nigger" to me applies to an ignorant person. I don't associate the word with race at all. I'm not saying it doesn't have racial connotations in today's society, because it obviously does or this conversation would not be happening, but to me, it simply denotes ignorance. Also, everyone deals with racism today, not just black people. I can't even count the times I've seen white kids, Mexican kids and Asian kids being shit on by everyone else.

I never said that the linguistics professor can't be wrong, but lol @ calling him an idiot.

[Creeps]

Anyone who was a slave has been dead for a long time now. Get over it.

This is where you stop posting.

I live in FL and attended all FL schools. This was just an easy cheap shot to throw out, since you act like you are reciting crap out of an American History class in HS.

I didn't even attend high school in Florida, shithead. I attended high school in southern California in basically a suburb of LA, one of the most racially aware areas in the country. I've been witness to all kinds of shit that would turn anyone into a racist, and I'm still not. Stop talking like you know everyone's fucking background.

[Charla]

I can't even count the times I've seen white kids, Mexican kids and Asian kids being shit on by everyone else.

Bullying != racism. Kids don't really count, they shit on each other 24/7 no matter what.

[Creeps]

I can't even count the times I've seen white kids, Mexican kids and Asian kids being shit on by everyone else.

Bullying != racism. Kids don't really count, they shit on each other 24/7 no matter what.

Racism isn't a group of Mexicans running around around campus with a Mexican flag kicking the shit out of everyone who's white or black and yelling racial slurs? Racism isn't a Mexican dude driving by some black kid walking home from school, screaming at him, then shooting him in the head?

Edit: Oh, I almost forgot the one where this black dude punched this kid in the head and smashed his head on the blacktop because he was half black and half white.

[Deejay]

The term "nigger" to me applies to an ignorant person. I don't associate the word with race at all. I'm not saying it doesn't have racial connotations in today's society, because it obviously does or this conversation would not be happening, but to me, it simply denotes ignorance.

Is your vocabulary so rudimentary that you can't think up another word to use instead of nigger? 1,000's of people were hung in their front yards not even 50 years ago over that word. But you're right, that's totally our bad for taking offense. We just need to get over it.

[Charla]

I can't even count the times I've seen white kids, Mexican kids and Asian kids being shit on by everyone else.

Bullying != racism. Kids don't really count, they shit on each other 24/7 no matter what.

Racism isn't a group of Mexicans running around around campus with a Mexican flag kicking the shit out of everyone who's white or black and yelling racial slurs? Racism isn't a Mexican dude driving by some black kid walking home from school, screaming at him, then shooting him in the head?

Those are actualy debatable, and not quite the same as what your previous sentance said. There's a difference between *race* kid getting shit on and *race* kids shitting on everything in sight (first example). A completely random driveby (second example) may or may not be racially motivated, and either way it's still a completely random driveby.

[Creeps]

The term "nigger" to me applies to an ignorant person. I don't associate the word with race at all. I'm not saying it doesn't have racial connotations in today's society, because it obviously does or this conversation would not be happening, but to me, it simply denotes ignorance.

Is your vocabulary so rudimentary that you can't think up another word to use instead of nigger? 1,000's of people were hung in their front yards not even 50 years ago over that word. But you're right, that's totally our bad for taking offense. We just need to get over it.

I don't use the term, that's just what it means to me.

I can't even count the times I've seen white kids, Mexican kids and Asian kids being shit on by everyone else.

Bullying != racism. Kids don't really count, they shit on each other 24/7 no matter what.

Racism isn't a group of Mexicans running around around campus with a Mexican flag kicking the shit out of everyone who's white or black and yelling racial slurs? Racism isn't a Mexican dude driving by some black kid walking home from school, screaming at him, then shooting him in the head?

Those are actualy debatable, and not quite the same as what your previous sentance said. There's a difference between *race* kid getting shit on and *race* kids shitting on everything in sight (first example). A completely random driveby (second example) may or may not be racially motivated, and either way it's still a completely random driveby.

Meh, I probably wasn't so clear in the first post, my bad. Either way, the cases I mentioned were racially motivated. The area I lived in at the time is weird, it was like all of the people who lived in LA were sick of it and started moving south. It was a peaceful city and then all the shitty people from LA, including white people, started moving there and things started going to shit. Population pretty much quadrupled, so an increased crime rate was expected, but not in that short amount of time. The racial cases weren't normal, but they started popping up more and more.

[sunb1ind]

The term "nigger" to me applies to an ignorant person. I don't associate the word with race at all. I'm not saying it doesn't have racial connotations in today's society, because it obviously does or this conversation would not be happening, but to me, it simply denotes ignorance.

Is your vocabulary so rudimentary that you can't think up another word to use instead of nigger? 1,000's of people were hung in their front yards not even 50 years ago over that word. But you're right, that's totally our bad for taking offense. We just need to get over it.

I don't use the term, that's just what it means to me.

You can thank our socially inept internet culture for that. Learning our history is overrated. We can learn from our mistakes by creating new ones!

[Creeps]

The term "nigger" to me applies to an ignorant person. I don't associate the word with race at all. I'm not saying it doesn't have racial connotations in today's society, because it obviously does or this conversation would not be happening, but to me, it simply denotes ignorance.

Is your vocabulary so rudimentary that you can't think up another word to use instead of nigger? 1,000's of people were hung in their front yards not even 50 years ago over that word. But you're right, that's totally our bad for taking offense. We just need to get over it.

I don't use the term, that's just what it means to me.

You can thank our socially inept internet culture for that. Learning our history is overrated. We can learn from our mistakes by creating new ones!

Like I said before, I'm well aware of the events of slavery. Yes, it was horrible. Yes, it was wrong. No, it shouldn't ever happen again. But it will happen again eventually, because people are generally shitty and the majority don't learn from their mistakes. The internet culture has absolutely nothing to do with it. I learn very little from the internet and all of my opinions and beliefs stem from what I've seen in the real world. I'm pretty sure that's the case with most of us here, as most posters are in college or out of college and in the work force. It's not like we're impressionable young minds anymore.

[Maguspk]

Ok, I'll bite, tell me about it. From the outside it seems like one of two things: A) Black people saying somebody 'isnt black enough' only this time being literal or B) Another way for black people to victimize themselves (see: the story about my boss and what he told me)

You're pretty close. I am half white/half black, am very light skinned, and have got quite a bit of shit from certain cliques of black girls on my campus for not dating black girls in college. They used to say shit like "he only dates white girls" when in my college career I have only dated an Indian girl and a Chinese girl on campus. As far as they were concerned, if the girl I wasnt dating wasnt black, she wasnt right, and may as well be white. Funny thing is my mom is white, but they obviously dont give a shit.

All im saying is that in many black communities, both ghetto and educated (moreso ghetto in my experience), black women especially have issues with black men dating outside their race, which is at times phrased as "not being black enough" as you say.

No Maxx it's not just a way for "black people to further victimize themselves." The fact you'd even consider calling a dynamic of a social community a "victim mentality" even when it is especially valid is dangerous. It's almost as dangerous as the thinking on rape up until about 20 or so years ago. When a woman was raped it was viewed as her fault, and in some places it is still that way. "You must have been asking for it" is what Mothers would say to their daughters, believe it or not. Trying to say someone is a victim to take validity away from the situation is extremely wrong and perpetuates the situation, and I kind of want to thank you for doing it because it really goes to show how the entire thought process of a white male is not necessarily a positive one whether he wants to believe he's not harming the situation or not.

Considering colorism, look at famous black celebrities. Not one is married to someone who is darker than they are. This is also the case even outside celebrity cases but it's simply easier to look at it this way since a majority of the people posting on this board will not have black friends or a large pool of black people they can refer to in order to give validity to this statement. Anyway, the black celebrities will generally marry "lighter" by which I mean, they will tend to seek out and eventually marry people with a lighter skin tone than they have. This is probably very subconscious on many levels but it is not ignored and in the black community I know being "lighta than a paper bag" is a very beneficial thing and you will get shit for it often times. I know this from direct experience.


It's not necessarily limited to simply within the minority however. Even outside the minority people tend to have a more comfortable feeling when the person is lighter skinned or in most cases, closer to their (lighter) skin tone. For example, when black women work in a position where interacting with people is important having a lighter skin tone, even looking "yellow", is very beneficial. It is unspoken of course but it's not unheard of, nor unpracticed. Even around the 1960s in want ads for jobs they'd specify "if black you must be light", in order to even consider applying for the job.

Colorism is very much so an important part of racism and how we as a society react and interact with colored peoples, usually African-Americans since the colors among them vary more than society as a whole would like to acknowledge. This leads back into Obama's success, like I said in my post; I'm very confident in saying a majority of his campaign is spent making sure his appearance is conducive to the majorities view of him. Also, another part of his success is undoubtedly his lighter tan as opposed to a possibly darker skin tone another black man might have had.

[Andarvi]

Creeps:

My head almost exploded from how uninformed you are yet persist to claim to be.

You mentioned blacks have "got the most reparations." Please elaborate on this. And I really hope you say some dumb shit like "affirmative action." What reparations are you talking about? To my knowledge we haven't even got that 40 acres and a mule we were kind of promised.

And as Deejay said, the effects of slavery in America are absolutely still felt today. Again, to get into this will take more time than I have (class in 10min) but please stop embarrassing yourself by saying that we should forget and move on from slavery because it happened in the past. Poverty rates and demographics, precentages of minorities within empovershed areas, the prison system, the education system, and many, many, many more are all STILL directly correlated with slavery. Segregation in the south ended just 44 years ago! Our parents were alive when blacks still had to drink and piss in different locations from whites. Google "The Little Rock 9" and watch that video. That was 47 years ago only! 47 years is not a long time at all. The kids in that video assaulting the black students are still alive today in their 50s.

Please just do a little research before you start saying dumb shit.

[sunb1ind]

Poverty rates and demographics, precentages of minorities within empovershed areas, the prison system, the education system, and many, many, many more are all STILL directly correlated with slavery.

Incoming conspiracy theory card.

[Charla]

I learn very little from the internet and all of my opinions and beliefs stem from what I've seen in the real world. I'm pretty sure that's the case with most of us here, as most posters are in college or out of college and in the work force. It's not like we're impressionable young minds anymore.

That's not necessarily workable, because we all have different experiences, and these things have different meanings to each of us. Seeing a white guy using the N word says to me "I'm ignorant and probably trying to be offensive". But seeing that same guy say wetback, spic, towelhead, kike, etc. doesn't really, because I have less experience seeing it used. Similarly, if the guy's saying it in South Carolina, it might just mean something very different than it would when said in LA, or in a random yuppieville somewhere. Translating the one to the other, or to somewhere without a geographic location, is a very good way to be misunderstood.

[Maguspk]

A little late to the party but lol @ people still working on their 4 year degrees calling a fucking LINGUISTICS PROFESSOR an idiot.

Edit: Also, I'm Irish and know the history of my heritage in America. The Irish were treated like shit by everyone too, having to work our way out of indentured servitude, not being able to find work, being beat up, spit on and abused, but I don't get offended if someone calls me a mick or makes fun of me being Irish. Do you know why? BECAUSE IT WAS HUNDREDS OF FUCKING YEARS AGO. You people seriously need to get over yourselves with this whole "nigger" thing. Guess what? You aren't the only race in history that's been oppressed. This shit is infuriating to me because it's basic logic that meanings of words change over time. The N bomb doesn't mean anything remotely close to what it meant in the past. Black people have gotten more shit from the government and US population than any other group of people, and for what? Because your ancestors were abused and put into slavery in 1840? Where's the damn reparations for the Irish then? Why isn't Egypt paying for the Jews to go to college? I hate all of you for making me even think about this.

This is very LOL worthy btw. For one, both Jews and Irish men are now considered to be a part of what is considered "white" in society and as such no matter what some dead ancestors might have experienced, unfit to say "why can't black people just do what we did." For one, I'm sure if you could talk to a relative from that time they'd tell you they didn't have it as bad as black people did. Second, black people are still oppressed in society and any one with a dark skin tone could easily tell you that. They aren't making it up, they have to notice it, they have to live with it, and they have to take steps to work around it or ignore it or overcome it on a daily basis. Do you have to constantly worry about what the man walking next to you in thinking? Do you have to be careful where you stand in relation to a white woman because she might assume "you gonna rape her?" No, as a part of what is presently considered "white" you are free from such thoughts and whether you want to realize it or not live with much less restrictions on yourself.

Also, as I've mentioned before, people in a position of privilege are disproportionately more ignorant than those in the underprivileged situation concerning the privilege itself and the effects of it; as such, they are unfit to try and make large statements about it. Also, see my above first paragraph to Maxx about trying to blame a situation on the "victim mentality". It's inefficient and a dangerous way of thinking.

[Creeps]

Creeps:

My head almost exploded from how uninformed you are yet persist to claim to be.

You mentioned blacks have "got the most reparations." Please elaborate on this. And I really hope you say some dumb shit like "affirmative action." What reparations are you talking about? To my knowledge we haven't even got that 40 acres and a mule we were kind of promised.

And as Deejay said, the effects of slavery in America are absolutely still felt today. Again, to get into this will take more time than I have (class in 10min) but please stop embarrassing yourself by saying that we should forget and move on from slavery because it happened in the past. Poverty rates and demographics, precentages of minorities within empovershed areas, the prison system, the education system, and many, many, many more are all STILL directly correlated with slavery. Segregation in the south ended just 44 years ago! Our parents were alive when blacks still had to drink and piss in different locations from whites. Google "The Little Rock 9" and watch that video. That was 47 years ago only! 47 years is not a long time at all. The kids in that video assaulting the black students are still alive today in their 50s.

Please just do a little research before you start saying dumb shit.

I don't recall ever saying that things are completely fixed, but they're a lot better than they could be. Did I ever say we should forget about slavery? Nope. I said we should move on, but moving on requires that we remember what happened and learn from the mistakes. When you have time, elaborate for me on the systems you mentioned.

I've been looking for scholarships for myself for the next 2 years, and as I browse, I see scholarships for Hispanics, I see scholarships for African-Americans, I see scholarships for Asians. I filed my FAFSA and applied for scholarships. My W-2 says I made $12,000 last year. Total. I'm an independent, do not live with family and pay all my own bills, including tuition. Do you know how much money I've been awarded so far? Absolutely none. I was offered subsidized student loans (which I'll probably have to take) and that's it. I don't get anything to help me with my education because my skin is white. How exactly is that fair? I make far less money than my African-American friend, yet his education is almost completely paid for. The same situation applies to my Puerto Rican roommate.

I'm not trying to instigate anything, I'm just trying to understand. My family isn't exactly rich, so why aren't I entitled to the same assistance as someone of another race?

I'm completely open to new opinions and learning new things. So instead of insulting me, how about you present some facts to support what you're saying and try to help me understand?