Bard Merits

[Kaeko]

Sorry for the necro bump.

Also posted this in the Enmity Megathread but...

Ghorn +2 all songs does NOT affect Adventurer's Dirge. We tested using LVL1 Dirge... Without Horn was -10, with horn, still -10.

[Sylphet]

Thanks for testing it out and posting here (I avoid megathreads if I can). I promised Ruke today that I'd finish up my DRG sub so we could do the testing for high jump, hopefully give a little bit back to the world of enmity testing.

[FailureMidgard]

Since this got bumped anyway, see no reason to not add to it, but why do people thing Nightingale matters for /blm Elegy locks? It does nothing for that...

The only uses for Nightingale is to be a super-haste if you need to spam sleeps, or to get off more songs in the short time Troubadour is active, which only really matters once per 2 hrs.

Also, with the change to group2 coming up, it seems the best overall may be:

5/5 Troub
1/5 Nightin
4/5 Dirge.

4/5 Dirge is -22 enmity, and if you do it during SV that's -44 enmity? How can anyone think this can't help. On the other hand, I don't see more than 1 in Nightingale helping, and Sirvente not affecting VE decay, but likely affecting VE loss on blood tanking...who really blood tanks? A haste song will almost always be more hate than that.

I guess that's just my opinion, but I think Dirge is a very good song in certain situations. Troubadour will be even more amazing with 5/5 in G2 to match Ele Seal, I think nobody doubts that, but I can't get over people meriting more than 1 in Nightingale, and claiming to need it for ES Elegy Locking. The 1 point is still needed if you want double duration songs on more than just 1 melee group during 2hr.

[Valyana]

3/5 Troubadour is enough to keep ES+T Elegy on at all times with two BRD/BLM. 5/5 isn't enough to do it with only one BRD/BLM, it would be 7 min on and 3 min off.

[FailureMidgard]

I realize that, but if you can only manage 1 bard, it would still greatly increase uptime (presumably bosses are harder, not 100% impossible without elegy up), so I think the merits are worth it. In either case, the point is against more than 1 point in Nightingale.

[Capo]

plus its not like its impossible to land elegy without ES, even if you still take two brd one could /whm for extra defensive buffs, cures and -na spells if you are low on people, and you can both spam elegy when your es troub one wears