Avatar Bloodpact give mobs tp?

[Toshiko]

I have been a 75 smn for about... 3 months now and as far as i have always known and believed all avatar blood pacts give 0 tp. Several ppl i know insist that Predator Claws gives 'more tp' then spinning dive, but im positive that they both give 0 tp. Im basically just looking for a confirmation that all blood pacts, physical or magical, give 0 tp to the monster it is used on.

thanks, sorry

[Pirian]

From my understanding they give 0 tp, 75 smn for about 2 years meh

[Seditedi]

All give 0 as long as you don't assault first

[Toshiko]

All give 0 as long as you don't assault first

what does that have to do with it though? the bloodpact itself still gives 0 tp, i realize that the melee hits of the avatar give tp, but they arent connected per se.

[Seditedi]

That's exactly what I was saying. lol
Alot of amateur SMN tend to Assault before doing the BP and the melee hits give TP.
You know exactly what you're talking about, tell your friends they are dumb

[Hakamaru]

Just to put another nail in the coffin...

All avatar BPs grant 0 mob TP. It doesn't matter how many hits the BP is or whether it's magical / physical. All 0 mob TP.

You can grab a BST friend and test yourself. Do a BP on something and charm it before it hits anyone for non-0 damage. Then have the BST /p <pettp> and voila.

BPs do have funny, seemingly opposing, TP properties though. Your avatar gets full TP for every hit it does in a physical BP. While Leviathan only gets ~12 TP I believe, Garuda gets over 30 TP for a full-connect pred claws. That might be what's confusing people here.

[Mansin]

0tp.

[insidejoke]Assaulting your avatar causes a spike flail though.[/insidejoke]

[potatoninja]

There is a post somewhere around here toshi where someone bp a colibri then had a bst charm before the pet hit it and the colibri that took the dmg had 0 tp.

Edit: fail for not reading all the posts and repeating other ppl

[Spekkio]

blinktank cactrot rapido and use a smn to blp it into oblivion. it's duoable iirc with that method. just don't let it hit you too much for TP or you'll both be eating either 3.3k or 5k damage. ow.

[Ashokan]

I have been a 75 smn for about... 3 months now and as far as i have always known and believed all avatar blood pacts give 0 tp. Several ppl i know insist that Predator Claws gives 'more tp' then spinning dive, but im positive that they both give 0 tp. Im basically just looking for a confirmation that all blood pacts, physical or magical, give 0 tp to the monster it is used on.

Exact numbers for feeding avatars feeding the enemy tp are:

Fenrir assault: 10.4% tp per hit.
Other avatars assault: 11.3% tp per hit
All Blood Pacts: 0% tp

As previous posters have said, if you want to suppress the enemy's tp gain just avoid letting your avatar hit the mob in assault mode.

I think what people have been telling you is a pretty common misconception. It's been tested though, you can check this Allakhazam thread or if that's down, I have a LiveJournal entry about it.

[Valisk]

Offtopic: Hey Tosh!

Ontopic: All Bloodpacts give 0 TP

:nikkei:

[BerenTebogo]

Semi-related

How much TP is cannonball? Obviously my first thought is to go with 10 TP, but seriously we've done cerb with about 8-9 people the past few kills, total of 2 non SMN dmg really each, and I've seen cannonball force back to back TP moves plenty of times, not stun with back to back, but like I'll be tanking and 2boxing my wife on BLU bc she's asleep, cerb uses sulferous breath, I use cannonball, cerb readies gates of hades, all within 1 normal chatlog box of text.

Just seemed weird to me.

[Callisto]

Semi-related

How much TP is cannonball? Obviously my first thought is to go with 10 TP, but seriously we've done cerb with about 8-9 people the past few kills, total of 2 non SMN dmg really each, and I've seen cannonball force back to back TP moves plenty of times, not stun with back to back, but like I'll be tanking and 2boxing my wife on BLU bc she's asleep, cerb uses sulferous breath, I use cannonball, cerb readies gates of hades, all within 1 normal chatlog box of text.

Just seemed weird to me.

That's definitely odd, as I'm sure it's just a 1-hit move, I know Disservement sucks ass and whatnot for TP gain, but I've never seen any issues with Cannonball on the Nyzul versions(Disserve on the other hand has wiped us b/c of back-to-back-to-back Hurricane Wings, lol.)

[Therin]

Semi-related

How much TP is cannonball? Obviously my first thought is to go with 10 TP, but seriously we've done cerb with about 8-9 people the past few kills, total of 2 non SMN dmg really each, and I've seen cannonball force back to back TP moves plenty of times, not stun with back to back, but like I'll be tanking and 2boxing my wife on BLU bc she's asleep, cerb uses sulferous breath, I use cannonball, cerb readies gates of hades, all within 1 normal chatlog box of text.

Just seemed weird to me.

I feel like Cerb has a small amount of TP regain.

Either that, or hitting it for 0 still gives it TP. Not sure which.

I know for sure, though, that I've seen it TP while Hoplon was up (without TPing off of the tanks) on many, many occasions, and since you're all hitting for 0 during Hoplon, you shouldn't be giving it any TP.

That's my proof for it, but it could mean either thing. I know he TPs a LOT more when you're low-manning him than Khimaira does, but thankfully Cerb's TP moves are shit compared to Khimaira.

[BerenTebogo]

Semi-related

How much TP is cannonball? Obviously my first thought is to go with 10 TP, but seriously we've done cerb with about 8-9 people the past few kills, total of 2 non SMN dmg really each, and I've seen cannonball force back to back TP moves plenty of times, not stun with back to back, but like I'll be tanking and 2boxing my wife on BLU bc she's asleep, cerb uses sulferous breath, I use cannonball, cerb readies gates of hades, all within 1 normal chatlog box of text.

Just seemed weird to me.

I feel like Cerb has a small amount of TP regain.

Either that, or hitting it for 0 still gives it TP. Not sure which.

I know for sure, though, that I've seen it TP while Hoplon was up (without TPing off of the tanks) on many, many occasions, and since you're all hitting for 0 during Hoplon, you shouldn't be giving it any TP.

That's my proof for it, but it could mean either thing. I know he TPs a LOT more when you're low-manning him than Khimaira does, but thankfully Cerb's TP moves are shit compared to Khimaira.

I've noticed this too, thought I was crazy, I've seen a few LS's who managed to gather up while we were fighting tiamat or whatever attempt it, and actually have hoplon attempt to go over hoplon (no effect) which means that they were obviously still hitting for 0. We usually stun hoplon or knock it off quick with BPs and WS so I can't say I've seen that happen to us, in any recent memory anyways, but the TP regen thing I'd buy into.

[Callisto]

We usually stun hoplon or knock it off quick with BPs and WS so I can't say I've seen that happen to us, in any recent memory anyways, but the TP regen thing I'd buy into.

Sorry for a sort of off-topic question, but how hard is Hoplon to stun? I'm generally healing for Nyzul and so busy I've never notice the usage time, but Hoplon blows goats when you have 2 minutes left to kill and it's spamming it @40%, wondering if it's something our PLD could hold Flat Blade(lol) for or something.

[BerenTebogo]

We usually stun hoplon or knock it off quick with BPs and WS so I can't say I've seen that happen to us, in any recent memory anyways, but the TP regen thing I'd buy into.

Sorry for a sort of off-topic question, but how hard is Hoplon to stun? I'm generally healing for Nyzul and so busy I've never notice the usage time, but Hoplon blows goats when you have 2 minutes left to kill and it's spamming it @40%, wondering if it's something our PLD could hold Flat Blade(lol) for or something.

Gonna say it's very hard to stun, and leave it at that, lol.

[Kerberoz]

We usually stun hoplon or knock it off quick with BPs and WS so I can't say I've seen that happen to us, in any recent memory anyways, but the TP regen thing I'd buy into.

Sorry for a sort of off-topic question, but how hard is Hoplon to stun? I'm generally healing for Nyzul and so busy I've never notice the usage time, but Hoplon blows goats when you have 2 minutes left to kill and it's spamming it @40%, wondering if it's something our PLD could hold Flat Blade(lol) for or something.

If you have a good connection and use key bind macros or menu and stun every time you see the tp move animation, it can be stunned semi-reliably. The problem is that you end up stunning useless moves most of the time. Never been able to stun it from watching chat log.

[Hakamaru]

I feel like Cerb has a small amount of TP regain.

I agree. I'll go one step further and say that his TP regen gets stronger as his HP goes down.

I evasion-tanked cerb a while back with 1-2 SMNs DDing. The fight lasted ~5 hours before we ran out of stuns during GoH phase. There were times when no one would be touching cerb at all and he hit nothing but my shadows and he still got TP moves off. As I stated above, it seemed to get worse as the fight went on.

It's not a big deal. It's still very effective to limit the amount of TP he's fed in a low-man situation.

[BerenTebogo]

I feel like Cerb has a small amount of TP regain.

I agree. I'll go one step further and say that his TP regen gets stronger as his HP goes down.

I evasion-tanked cerb a while back with 1-2 SMNs DDing. The fight lasted ~5 hours before we ran out of stuns during GoH phase. There were times when no one would be touching cerb at all and he hit nothing but my shadows and he still got TP moves off. As I stated above, it seemed to get worse as the fight went on.

It's not a big deal. It's still very effective to limit the amount of TP he's fed in a low-man situation.

5 hours with 2 summoners? Dear lord.