Data mining DISCUSSION

[Cookiemonster]

Save your Allied Notes, as Morn posted earlier something seems to be broken with these.

I went from 397 att w/ no head or hands equipped to only 402...the increase owing to the STR on the items (397 > 399 w/ 1 piece > 402 w/ 2 pieces). There is no att bonus to speak of w/ only the 2 available pieces.

They're nice looking pieces of armor, but kind of annoying that they're nothing more than town gear...though I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything else.

Like I said before the effect probably lowers effective weapon delay.
Edit: Think about it, "Increases Attack." Seems like the best way to say its a Dual weild and Two-handed weapon delay bonus.

[Deband]

What's with 2 piece armor sets ; ; Give us the rest!!

[Quixon]

What's with 2 piece armor sets ; ; Give us the rest!!

Going by SE's track record with armor sets, the other pieces would be crap anyways.

[Rasantath]

I spy an SE ninja buff!

I was waiting for Campaign to start on PUP/DNC and pulled a leech for lulz. I put up Drain Samba 2, and lo' and behold, my automaton can now receive Samba effects. If this has been posted before, /whoosh, if not, fucking thank you SE. Gogo Aspir Samba + Soulsoother head MP return~!

can bst pets obtain samba effects too? (plz)

yes they can
i was soloing as dnc/bst and was pretty surprised when by bat started doing it

[Acturus]

I spy an SE ninja buff!

I was waiting for Campaign to start on PUP/DNC and pulled a leech for lulz. I put up Drain Samba 2, and lo' and behold, my automaton can now receive Samba effects. If this has been posted before, /whoosh, if not, fucking thank you SE. Gogo Aspir Samba + Soulsoother head MP return~!

can bst pets obtain samba effects too? (plz)

yes they can
i was soloing as dnc/bst and was pretty surprised when by bat started doing it

A dancing bat... now I've seen everything!

*edit*

Did it look like this:

http://www.entertainment4unow.com/si...MAN-BATUSI.gif

[Norellicus]

Save your Allied Notes, as Morn posted earlier something seems to be broken with these.

I went from 397 att w/ no head or hands equipped to only 402...the increase owing to the STR on the items (397 > 399 w/ 1 piece > 402 w/ 2 pieces). There is no att bonus to speak of w/ only the 2 available pieces.

They're nice looking pieces of armor, but kind of annoying that they're nothing more than town gear...though I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything else.

Like I said before the effect probably lowers effective weapon delay.
Edit: Think about it, "Increases Attack." Seems like the best way to say its a Dual weild and Two-handed weapon delay bonus.

What? How does this even make sense >_>

The other set bonuses so far we've seen say "Increases Accuracy" "Increases rate of critical hits" etc. This is going to be a flat +Attack bonus. If it were a delay reduction, it would say Set: Reduces Weapon Delay.

It would be nice if SE would just freaking tell us the bonus so we don't waste our time getting a full set of gear for a bonus that may not be worthwhile when you consider the stats you lose by giving up other pieces for the set (hi2u Assault sets).

[Kenji]

Once again nothing for SMN...

SMN scores a fairly good self maintaining ability for their MP, leaving whm as the only mage that lacks (as main only) any ability or trait to maintain it's own MP value.

So yeah I'd say smn got something.

some of the numbers I'm seeing from SMN is pretty good really. a well equiped 75 smn can get like what 250 MP every 5minutes (so 500mp every 10minutes) a rdm refreshing themselves only gets 440mp every 10minutes (just to give you an idea)

and this doesn't really have anything to do with the datamining anyways <.>;

Indirectly, SMN/SCH also gets Sublimation and Aspir. And you still get na spells and cures. Gonna have to run some numbers and do some experimentation, but SMN just got some major boosts to maintaining MP. Throw in ballad and refresh, and I daresay you might just be able to leave an avatar out for extended periods at 75, easily.

[Acturus]

Once again nothing for SMN...

SMN scores a fairly good self maintaining ability for their MP, leaving whm as the only mage that lacks (as main only) any ability or trait to maintain it's own MP value.

So yeah I'd say smn got something.

some of the numbers I'm seeing from SMN is pretty good really. a well equiped 75 smn can get like what 250 MP every 5minutes (so 500mp every 10minutes) a rdm refreshing themselves only gets 440mp every 10minutes (just to give you an idea)

and this doesn't really have anything to do with the datamining anyways <.>;

Indirectly, SMN/SCH also gets Sublimation and Aspir. And you still get na spells and cures. Gonna have to run some numbers and do some experimentation, but SMN just got some major boosts to maintaining MP. Throw in ballad and refresh, and I daresay you might just be able to leave an avatar out for extended periods at 75, easily.

Players are still trying to understand the whys and hows of the fact that a person under the effect of Sublimation cannot receive Refresh (but can get Ballad and Evoker's Roll).

[Deband]

What's with 2 piece armor sets ; ; Give us the rest!!

Going by SE's track record with armor sets, the other pieces would be crap anyways.

Hmm yeah that's a fair point, but i just wanted other bits for the looks

[Kenji]

Players are still trying to understand the whys and hows of the fact that a person under the effect of Sublimation cannot receive Refresh (but can get Ballad and Evoker's Roll).

I'm betting it's a bug. Why would SE prevent you from getting refresh, yet leave all forms of auto-refresh, ballad, and evoker's roll alone? Even if it turns out to *not* be a bug, and only affects the RDM refresh, I'd still count it as a buff. A SMN doesn't always have an RDM available.

[Acturus]

Players are still trying to understand the whys and hows of the fact that a person under the effect of Sublimation cannot receive Refresh (but can get Ballad and Evoker's Roll).

I'm betting it's a bug. Why would SE prevent you from getting refresh, yet leave all forms of auto-refresh, ballad, and evoker's roll alone? Even if it turns out to *not* be a bug, and only affects the RDM refresh, I'd still count it as a buff. A SMN doesn't always have an RDM available.

I agree with you on both counts.

[Toonshady]

What's with 2 piece armor sets ; ; Give us the rest!!

Going by SE's track record with armor sets, the other pieces would be crap anyways.

Hmm yeah that's a fair point, but i just wanted other bits for the looks

the other pieces will probably be available when they next rank is released. sorta like IM cuirass is a rank above IM helm with conquest points

[Scorsese]

Yeah I noticed that too, but it seems that stacking Sublimation with Ballad/Phantom Roll/Refresh seems a bit too....easy. I'm sure SE will kill it alltogether eventually, that or make an adjustment to the level you gain Sublimation. I dunno.

[Acturus]

Yeah I noticed that too, but it seems that stacking Sublimation with Ballad/Phantom Roll/Refresh seems a bit too....easy. I'm sure SE will kill it alltogether eventually, that or make an adjustment to the level you gain Sublimation. I dunno.

As a subbable job ability, it's brilliant. It's time-based, potent for everyone who's not a Taru, and the recast fits with what I consider "traditional" job abilities.

As a main ability, either SCH shouldn't receive any outside refresh bonus, or it should receive all of them, and I expect SE to fix it one way or the other. What worries me is that they'll use the Clear Mind and Conserve MP arguments to remove our ability to receive Refresh-based spells completely.

Either way, the ability itself is an amazing addition.

[Gere]

Thalassocrat pic (not mine).

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...310_235838.png

For those who don't know, recipe is:
wind crystal
2 adaman ingots
1 scintilliant ingot
1 wamoura silk
1 piece of jacaranda lumber

Time to start Desynthing mezraqs.

[Kenji]

Yeah I noticed that too, but it seems that stacking Sublimation with Ballad/Phantom Roll/Refresh seems a bit too....easy. I'm sure SE will kill it alltogether eventually, that or make an adjustment to the level you gain Sublimation. I dunno.

As a subbable job ability, it's brilliant. It's time-based, potent for everyone who's not a Taru, and the recast fits with what I consider "traditional" job abilities.

As a main ability, either SCH shouldn't receive any outside refresh bonus, or it should receive all of them, and I expect SE to fix it one way or the other. What worries me is that they'll use the Clear Mind and Conserve MP arguments to remove our ability to receive Refresh-based spells completely.

Either way, the ability itself is an amazing addition.

Thinking about it more, it's actually better than refresh in some ways. If you're at max MP, refresh isn't doing anything for you. However, Sublimation is still ticking, storing up MP. Will be fun, sitting around, storing up MP while waiting for the party to begin. Then the first time you drop to near zero mp, pop it and get all your MP back. Would be nice if you could tell how much MP you have currently saved up, though.

As far as nerfing, I don't expect them to nerf all forms of outside refresh for SCH. At worst, I expect them to leave the situation as is.

[AzazaelFenrir]

Thalassocrat pic (not mine).
For those who don't know, recipe is:
wind crystal
2 adaman ingots
1 scintilliant ingot
1 wamoura silk
1 piece of jacaranda lumber

Time to start Desynthing mezraqs.

My problem with the Polearm is it is hardly different from Mezraq. If the new ones are cheap and it was a guaranteed desynth I would be all for it, but the desynth is probably into the silk or some crap.

Maybe I am just grumpy because I just got my Mez like 3 weeks ago after mining for the Ores, Orz

[ronin sparthos]

Any ideas on what Octopus Sushi and Shrimp Sushi do?

Along with the new Pizza Recipes.

[Tan]

Thalassocrat pic (not mine).
For those who don't know, recipe is:
wind crystal
2 adaman ingots
1 scintilliant ingot
1 wamoura silk
1 piece of jacaranda lumber

Time to start Desynthing mezraqs.

Is this confired to be a Woodworking recipe? Seeing the 2 adaman ingots almost made me hope it was Smithing.

[ronin sparthos]

If its like the mezraq its wood with a capped smith requirement using a wind crystal.