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    Haste Cap

    It's fucked, pretty badly.



    Took a DRK friend with a Rune Chopper and a WHM to a marid (I was on BRD) Soul Voice Marched him and watched him attack at like 50% of the rate he used to attack at.





    Didn't see any recent thread about it so I thought I'd make one ... anyone have their experiences or start doing the math to figure the cap?

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Someone light the Kirschy Beacon!

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by aurik
    Someone light the Kirschy Beacon!
    I'd be too busy crying to do haste equations if I was Kirschy...

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    Re: Haste Cap

    SE's official comment: A maximum limit has been placed on the total amount of bonus attack speed that can be gained from a combination of spells, abilities, and items.

    So... we need to check:
    What the gear haste cap is,
    What the magic cap is,
    If there's a different 'total' haste cap, and
    If there is an 'attack speed' cap that affects Martial Arts / Dual Wield bonuses & gear.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by zhan
    It's fucked, pretty badly.



    Took a DRK friend with a Rune Chopper and a WHM to a marid (I was on BRD) Soul Voice Marched him and watched him attack at like 50% of the rate he used to attack at.
    So, ~80% haste cap if he attack 50% slower?

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    What I posted in the other thread:

    I did a quick test on haste (figuring 20% as opposed to 25% should be noticeable).
    11 attack rounds using a stopwatch (10 effective delays). MNK/DRG + destroyers with up to 30% equipment haste.

    30% haste: 44.0 seconds => 264 dly (expect 243 dly w/o haste cap)
    25% haste: 43.9 seconds => 263 dly (expect 261)
    22% haste: 46.1 seconds => 276 dly (expect 271)
    20% haste: 47.2 seconds => 283 dly (expect 278)

    Granted there's potential for lots of error here but so far to me seems like cap is still 25%.

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    Hundred Fists brings you to the "attack speed cap" (w/o the privious hasso/desperate blows additions), and that is like 85% (I dont remember the number). So one could assume that the new haste cap is the previous Hundred Fists speed.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by zhan
    It's fucked, pretty badly.



    Took a DRK friend with a Rune Chopper and a WHM to a marid (I was on BRD) Soul Voice Marched him and watched him attack at like 50% of the rate he used to attack at.





    Didn't see any recent thread about it so I thought I'd make one ... anyone have their experiences or start doing the math to figure the cap?
    http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...99x/choppa.jpg
    not pictured one extra swing before lr wore

    2x sv marches, haste
    Turban, 3x homam, swift, choppa

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    Re: Haste Cap

    From the number of hits, it looks like it is capped at 80% now.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Assuming you had Haste spell and 26% haste gear in addition to those SV Marches, I can do some math to get a rough estimate on what appears to be the new cap. I'll edit this post in a few minutes with math.

    EDIT: 16 swings including the extra not on screen. This is over about 28-29 seconds, or about 1680-1740 delay. I'll just call it 1700 delay, divided by 16 swings... Assuming there were no DA/TA procs, this brings your delay to 106.25. Or about the delay you would have with 79% haste... Assuming room for error it's probably like 80% haste cap.

    EDIT2: Above poster beat me to it lol

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    Re: Haste Cap

    So does this adjustment fuck MNKs and NINs, etc, too, or only zerging DRKs?

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    Re: Haste Cap

    What about double attacks x.x?

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    Re: Haste Cap

    is mercurial kris still a viable zerging weapon, assuming chopper is nerfed since it's shit without 90%+ haste?

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    Re: Haste Cap

    500 x (1 - 80%) = 100 delay

    60/100 = 0.6 hit per sec

    0.6 hit per sec x 30 sec = 18 hits in 30 sec.

    From the screenshot, it seems right consider it is only 27 sec.

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    That's so fucking garbage.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by banhero
    is mercurial kris still a viable zerging weapon, assuming chopper is nerfed since it's shit without 90%+ haste?
    2h zergs will be horrible now.

    And it's hard to say which is good until we know whether there is an 80% hard cap, or if they capped different gear/magic/other haste values so it caps at 80%.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    So... Did the gear cap get lowered or just from spells?

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    Re: Haste Cap

    Meaning you can now use homam body + JSE leg + fortitude axe for a decent zerg still. Estimated hits in 30 sec with max TA and DA setup is about 27-30 hits compare to the approximate 50 hit prenerf. Oh well....

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    Re: Haste Cap

    I believe it is a hard cap that doesn't limit either gear, magic, or JA haste. Meaning you can swap out 13.3% haste out of your equips when zerging.

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    Re: Haste Cap

    So that's Chopper, eh Art? Kewl how timestamps seem pretty useful in this case.

    If the previous cap was 93.xx%, say 93.75%, you'd have 50% of that attack speed at 87.5% haste.

    Regarding hundred fists, Neo, if you're talking capped equip + magic haste, you're looking at slighly over 68%. So if the cap is 80% as roughly speculated, hasso is still ship-shape, 3/3 desperate blows is kinda "lossy", and hasso+desperate would be just a waste.

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