Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Xanthe]

With WHM75/SCH37 I get no enhancements in enfeebling with one greater than the other when using either Light or Dark arts. If I recall it was giving me 269 Enfeebling but I might have had +10~+15 in gear on =/ I don't remember what gear I had when I checked, but I am certain both get boosted under Arts.

Naked WHM75/SCH37 with no enfeebling merits I had 256 Enfeebling skill under Light Arts, which is the expected B+ rating. WHM Enfeebling skill is 225 (C) otherwise.

[Miltani]

Didn't they say that they added enfeeble into light arts too? So that means we can accession paralyze and slow now

Ok I just tested it. Correcting myself. Unable to accession paralyze slow or silence.

[Alibeemac]

Bleh need to keep HP gear on for full duration of Sublimation for it to work ;; that sucks ><

Sublimation with no hp gear 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Switch Gear off > 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Keep Gear on > 298mp

[Callisto]

Just something I was curious on, aside from the loss of MAB from not subbing RDM, couldn't SCH/DRK feasibly take a BLM's spot in an alliance? Relative easy of hitting 300+ Elemental Skill, a good chunk of MAB gear available, and solid Dark skill for Stun and Absorb spells that'd have boosted duration w/ V.Mufflers...granted you wouldn't have Blink/SS, but it could feasibly fill all the major roles of a slightly gimpy BLM in addition to Helix damage.

Thoughts?

[Aemora]

I'll just give you a heads up. I've already tried Manifestation Sleep II though Addendium: Black. It didn't work. It feels like that spells only naturally learned though Main/Sub will be able to be AoE. Which is wierd imo. /Whm still gives you access to the -Na spells that can be AoE'd, but when you do LA + AD:White + Accession + Poisona as /rdm you get nothing but a single target poisona. All in all I believe SE did that so that jobs will still have there own powers.

Where the hell you getting this from?

I went out on my Lv68 Sch/Rdm to a party in the Mire, and Rdm subbed /Blm. With Addedum:White I was able to AoE Erase, Poisona, Blindna, and Viruna on the party without a single problem. Also, being the only person who had these spells allowed for a greater focus of the job. That's one thing I never liked about Sch and a second healing job pre-patch, I never knew exactly what my role was.

Not Manifestation Sleep2 doesn't work similar to why Raise doesn't work with Accession; Sleep is classified as Dark Magic, and you can AoE Sleep1, Stun, Aspir, Drain, therefore technically you should be able to AoE Sleep2, but you can't. Some it works with, some it doesn't.

But Accession does work with all but the Raise stuff in AD:White...

[Suci]

any word on how you pop that nm for Vicious mufflers?

[Callisto]

Sleep is classified as Dark Magic, and you can AoE Sleep1, Stun, Aspir, Drain, therefore technically you should be able to AoE Sleep2, but you can't.

Unless I totally missed something the last 4 years Sleep is classified as Enfeebling Magic.

Edit: To poster above mine, NM is called Bloodlapper, AFAIK it is popped by using Gnat Pellet dropped from Yags in Castle O, more info here on page 2-3:

http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic...&sd=a&start=60

[Muffins]

Klimaform has a really bad duration/recast time ratio of 1m/3m. Even worse than the pre-update weather spells. You also have to use spells of the same active weather, AND it's self cast only (Black Magic so you can't even AoE it).

Because of these shortcomings, I'm assuming the Macc effect is pretty strong. I've been trying to get myself in a situation to actually use it on something that resists.

Also, to the helices question above, I've never tried it as a holding tool, but it would seem like a bad use of Helix since the duration is very low compared to that of cheaper, faster spells like Dia. Also, nothing about Helices as far as damage seems to have changed.

I've been able to AoE it with Manifestation. <_______<

Serious? ;o

Does that mean things like Blazed Spikes work now?

If you can AoE enhancing on Dark Arts now, maybe you can AoE light enfeebles like Silence too? (please!)

It could be that Klimaform is something other than Enhancing magic so that it conforms to the rules of Manifestation, or it's an exception to the rules and is still Enhancing. Regardless, Klimaform can be AoE'd. Spikes, White Enfeebles, and Sleep 2 cannot be AoE'd, as was stated earlier.

[Suci]

Thanks for the info

[Alibeemac]

Bleh need to keep HP gear on for full duration of Sublimation for it to work ;; that sucks ><

Sublimation with no hp gear 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Switch Gear off > 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Keep Gear on > 298mp

OK Hmmm I am confused. Just did ENM and did Sublimation with HP gear before it then switching it off to regular gear and when i got my mp back it was 298 >.> So why didn't it work earlier.... Maybe Dragon's Aery lag on gear swap i guess <.< Or a glitch

[Kaeko]

Just confirmed...

Manifestation + Klimaform = works

Silencga, Slowga, Paralyga, Blaze Spikes + Manifestation all still do not work. Appears that Klimaform working is an exception or an oversight.

[Lordwafik]

Yeah I just tested out Paralyze and silence with Accession (Light Arts AOE), doesn't work when technically it should, however I think it's a bug rather than intent, and we should all report it to GMs / bug reports so it can work after the mini patch.


I tested it on bees just before I headed for work, so I can't test further.

[Redflame]

Just got Elder staff from Nyzul Isle floor 100. Will edit later for screenshot.

edit :
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5...1315ok6.th.jpg

[ywong]

Rafflesia dreamspit H-5
Lightsday, Clear weather
Game time 22:00

[Enygma55]

AOE Sleep II not working is most likely a glitch. Accession + enfeebling doesnt work and has never worked as it is only used to apply spells to others, not mobs.

Manifestation is only applied to black enfeebling magic and dark magic. Assuming Klimaform is Dark magic it makes perfect sense why it would work.

[Lordwafik]

AOE Sleep II not working is most likely a glitch. Accession + enfeebling doesnt work and has never worked as it is only used to apply spells to others, not mobs.

ah didn't read the help text for the JA, I assumed adding enf to white magic would make it -ga'able now.

[Wilimac]

Anyone have a map with dot locations of the peiste dung?

Nvm finally found it.

[Miltani]

Bleh need to keep HP gear on for full duration of Sublimation for it to work ;; that sucks ><

Sublimation with no hp gear 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Switch Gear off > 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Keep Gear on > 298mp

OK Hmmm I am confused. Just did ENM and did Sublimation with HP gear before it then switching it off to regular gear and when i got my mp back it was 298 >.> So why didn't it work earlier.... Maybe Dragon's Aery lag on gear swap i guess <.< Or a glitch

do you mean that you need to equip in hp gear when you want to click off sublimation?

[Tidane]

Bleh need to keep HP gear on for full duration of Sublimation for it to work ;; that sucks ><

Sublimation with no hp gear 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Switch Gear off > 280mp

HP Gear > Sublimation > Keep Gear on > 298mp

OK Hmmm I am confused. Just did ENM and did Sublimation with HP gear before it then switching it off to regular gear and when i got my mp back it was 298 >.> So why didn't it work earlier.... Maybe Dragon's Aery lag on gear swap i guess <.< Or a glitch

do you mean that you need to equip in hp gear when you want to click off sublimation?

I haven't been paying much attention, but did you activate Sublimation when you were at full HP or not? I got some weird numbers when I was playing around with it while getting some quest item and attributed it to not being at full HP (IE: based on HP when using Sublimation, not max HP).

[Not Kuno]

AOE Sleep II not working is most likely a glitch.

I had 2 mobs I wanted to sleep so I did manifestation sleep2 and it didn't work (only 1 slept). I then did sleep 1 on the mob that didn't sleep but then that spell turned aoe. I didn't understand what had happened... but if it's a bug then it makes alot more sense.