Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Kaeko]

This is probably an odd take on the new relic and AF1+1, but...

The AF2 hat was the one that stuck out to me the most due to Grimoire cast reduction similar to the AF1 shoes. If the bonus is the same (-2% casting time, -5% recast time), this will allow SCH/RDM to break the final Cure III-IV casting time tier at 35%.

Previously, the best a SCH/RDM could do was 34% (or 34.5%).

(Kuuhalee's testing thread if you don't know about cure casting time tiers)
Cure Cast Time - Detailed Testing (Updated-05/13/08) - Killing Ifrit

0%-16% Fast Cast combinations = ~2.53 seconds cast
17-34% Fast Cast combinations = ~2.01 seconds cast
35% + Fast Cast Combinations = ~1.65 seconds cast

/RDM sub Fast Cast = 20%
Light Arts Casting = 10%
Loquacious Earring = 2%
AF1 Shoes = 2% (or 2.5% can't tell)
AF2 Head = 2% (assuming same as AF1 Shoes)

This will put you at 36%. I suppose someone will have to test to see if the bonus is 2 or 2.5%. If it's 2.5% then you won't need the earring to hit the final tier.

This gives you an extra .4 second boost on your cure time, which is rather strong if you're spamming or need a cure quickly.

This update puts SCH on par with WHM on pure curing speed.

EDIT:
Just in case anyone is wondering, Wiki is wrong about AF1 shoes and claims it's -9% casting time. This is INCORRECT. It's 2% or 2.5%. The effect works the opposite of fast cast. Fast cast has twice the reduction in casting time relative to recast time. Grimoire bonus is twice the reduction in recast time relative to casting time.

[Havok]

That actually stuck out to me too. I'll probably use the hat for curing more than i will for nuking, and that makes me angry /sigh

[Nevex]

Sorry if this was already posted, anyone else got Enlightment and noticed that you still have the +20% cast/recast/MP cost penalties as well as lacking the skill boost for the opposite school of magic?
I suppose this is a glitch since the description says it "optimizes" both black and white magic.

[vitali]

For those having trouble finding out the new AF +1 upgrade items:

square of brilliantine and electrum stud

[Kaeko]

Tested the SCH merit "Equanimity", the enmity down stratagem for Dark Arts SCH Tier II. Here are the conclusions - I'm too lazy to write out the full procedure, but it's extremely similar to essentially everything else I do for these tests.

First merit grants -10 Enmity. I'm going to assume 5/5 would give -50 enmity.

The enmity down of this JA works in conjunction with the enmity of your gear + merits in the following fashion...

TE = {TE of Action} * [ 100 - {JA Enmity Down} ] * [ 100 - {Gear/Merit Enmity Down} ]

They are not just simply added together then cap at 50. They seem to cap individually cap at -50 then multiple the TE value at the end separately.

This means that the max - enmity you can get using this is -75 using a 5/5 merit Stratagem then casting with -50 enmity from gear and merits.

Example:

Say I have -50 enmity from gear and merits and use 5/5 Equanimity...

Dispel CE = 320

Final CE = 320 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 80 CE

[Lotan]

I'm not sure but I doubt it, the initial was +3 remember, will probably be more like +3 to all stats once capped

Posted in patch thread too, but at level 3 I got +2 to all stats.

[Gabz]

Got af2 feet from dynamis windurst tonight, asked the person who got to test with RR2, it seemed noticably faster, and she said recast was :25 instead of usual :30.

[Xanthu]

Crosspost from main update thread



I'm not really sure where else to put this, but I want it out there.

Got an Electrum Stud (says "studs" in inv, "stud" in dialouge box, weird) from the final chest in SE Apollyon. This is the SCH Apollyon item for AF+1

So which piece should I try for if I can somehow suddenly figure out Temenos? Body/legs to test that "enhances Arts effect?"

[Kriz]

Hat/Body imo. Let's be honest, who expects AF+1 to make the boost higher?

Also, got AF2 body last night. 4hp->mp Sublimation is amazing, definitely need to get a Nodowa now, instead of just Garden Bangles.

[Kainos]

Crosspost from main update thread



I'm not really sure where else to put this, but I want it out there.

Got an Electrum Stud (says "studs" in inv, "stud" in dialouge box, weird) from the final chest in SE Apollyon. This is the SCH Apollyon item for AF+1

So which piece should I try for if I can somehow suddenly figure out Temenos? Body/legs to test that "enhances Arts effect?"

I would do body b/c of the added INT. Based on other mage +1 artifacts, the increase in skill might only be +2 or nothing. Would be nice if it was more tho. also AF+1 feet feet might be a good rep for rostroms if u dont already have goliard for nukes.

[chesh]

Hat/Body imo. Let's be honest, who expects AF+1 to make the boost higher?

Also, got AF2 body last night. 4hp->mp Sublimation is amazing, definitely need to get a Nodowa now, instead of just Garden Bangles.

Since both it and Head are listed as being 75, I don't think I'm asking a stupid question by wondering if this was in Glacier or Xarc.

[Pooky]

Since both it and Head are listed as being 75, I don't think I'm asking a stupid question by wondering if this was in Glacier or Xarc.

Body drops from Glacier, got one last night.

[LD]

Since both it and Head are listed as being 75, I don't think I'm asking a stupid question by wondering if this was in Glacier or Xarc.

Wat?

[chesh]

Wat?

Scroll up to the dat mining, it was coming out as level 75 for some reason.

[Fors]

I believe he was talking about how your sentence started.

Anyway ive been out of the game for a couple of months now and never got into meriting my Sch.

Any Suggestion on wuts the best setup for Group 1 merits. And opinion on Group 2 if its not still to early >.>

[Ratatapa]

group 1 5/5 subl and 5/5 helix acc/attk
group 2 5/5 storm and i hesitate on the 2nd lol

[LD]

Helix is the only good G1. Grimoire is garbage, the other two are better garbage, like recyclables.

Stormsurge isn't bad, but as it's already been said, the stats aren't enough to bust a nut over. They're decent, but you wont always do Hail for BLM and tanks wont be begging for Dust. That said, they do add another dimension of content for the SCH, and that's all you can really ask for.

Enlightenment looks good, but right now it's either bugged or just not as good as we expected. You can use Addendum spells without switching Arts and using the strat, but the current Art's skill levels and penalties haven't changed. Meaning you can use Thunder 4 while in light arts, but it'll be with at least 46 less ele skill, take longer to cast, and cost a lot more MP. As it is, it's probably best for R2 or RR2ing while in Dark Arts.

[Enygma55]

With Enlightenment having access to Sleep 2 in light arts is a nice thing, or not having to fully enter adden:black -- that saves a charge if anything. With AF1 pants on, the enfeeble skill is exactly the same

It'll definately have its limited use. Most likely for RR2 and Raise2 and maybe -na spells.

Merit group 2 is definitely situational depending on how u play your SCH. I tend to play more offensive so I'm personally gonna max out Stormsurge and Enlightenment as the other abilities with the cost of 2 charges is well..... too costly.

Focalization I guess is worth it as when maxed out it acts like an elemental seal for stuff like Manifest Sleep2 (for the total cost of 3 charges) if you can deal with spending that many charges on 1 spell

Altruism the same for the spell slow. << this might actually be a good idea but would require testing to see if its reliable

[tsola]

I got the relic feet tonight, and after some quick testing with RR2 with 0 haste gear aside from Light Arts and Celerity(SCH/BLM):

1) No AF2 feet, regular celerity rr2, recast time was 30seconds, and the casting time went off at about 35%.
2)With AF2 feet, recast was 25seconds, and casting time was about 25%~.
3) Only seems to work with spells of the corresponding weather. For example, only aurorastorm worked with RR2, voidstorm did not do anything.

I'm bad at math at such, so I'm not sure how to exactly crunch out the numbers.

[Tsukasaz]

That is situational to the extreme then, like we've never seen it before. That stratagem is barely used as is (how I use SCH, anyway).