Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Kaeko]

I got the relic feet tonight, and after some quick testing with RR2 with 0 haste gear aside from Light Arts and Celerity(SCH/BLM):

1) No AF2 feet, regular celerity rr2, recast time was 30seconds, and the casting time went off at about 35%.
2)With AF2 feet, recast was 25seconds, and casting time was about 25%~.
3) Only seems to work with spells of the corresponding weather. For example, only aurorastorm worked with RR2, voidstorm did not do anything.

I'm bad at math at such, so I'm not sure how to exactly crunch out the numbers.

Did you have to have AF2 feet on at the time of spell usage? For instance, in the following situations would it work?

Had AF2 feet on when Celerity used but not when spell used.

Had AF2 feet on when spell used but not Celerity.

Seems situational, but getting off T4 nukes on the fly at 35% has its uses. Especially nice if you don't need AF2 feet on while you nuke.

[tsola]

Did you have to have AF2 feet on at the time of spell usage? For instance, in the following situations would it work?

Had AF2 feet on when Celerity used but not when spell used.

Had AF2 feet on when spell used but not Celerity.

Seems situational, but getting off T4 nukes on the fly at 35% has its uses. Especially nice if you don't need AF2 feet on while you nuke.

Just tried, you need to have the feet on during the spell cast.

However, it seems that you can start the spell with af2 feet, and then switch feet, and still have the spell go off at the reduced casting speed, but the recast won't be be reduced.

[Vail]

I just got Altruism, but now I'm trying to think of a monster worth using on that'll be sure to see results on

decided to test Silence vs some campaign Yagudos
and for further tipping the sides: I decided to cast with terra staff on, so my M.acc would be so good

anyways: struggled with landing silence I landed like 2 in 30 cast
Altruism onn: (gave it 8 goes) landed 7 of 8 cast with altruism

also to add: unlike other stratgems: these are consumed on any matching magic type you cast. Any white magic spell (even ones that don't or shouldn't have an Macc value) will make you loss the effect icon.

it's defiantly not on par with ES (so blms are safe) it does seem I guess fairly potent, but 2 charges is kinda rough

things I still wanna test (does it effect accuracy of enspells that are casted on your party members with Accession)

[Kaeko]

I just got Altruism, but now I'm trying to think of a monster worth using on that'll be sure to see results on

If you can reliably land Slow on hard resist mobs with, say Altruism, Sandstorm, and Klimaform, I can see it being useful. Try one of these...

Dark Ixion
Khimaira
Cerberus

These typically require ES to land easily. If you can replace that it's worth 2 charges.

[Vail]

I normally don't fight those monsters atm
need something alittle more readily available

something resistant to either slow/para/silence would work best

I'm sure I could go fuck with Vrtra or Jorm once they pop, but lossing exp for this isn't exactly idea for me

[Kaeko]

I normally don't fight those monsters atm
need something alittle more readily available

something resistant to either slow/para/silence would work best

I'm sure I could go fuck with Vrtra or Jorm once they pop, but lossing exp for this isn't exactly idea for me

Maybe Nyzul versions of these? I don't know how easy those would be. Maybe Hydra version.

[Cakes]

SCH Hat and AF2 Body is rather delicious, makes storing MP alot quicker, though the dot definately adds up. I can see myself using Hat + Body where I do Sublimation back to back, and where I hold onto MP stored; switching in my Ixi cloak once Sublimation: Complete status has been obtained.

Although, i'm still torn on my Group 2 Merits. I find myself leaning towards 5/5 Stormsurge, and a focus on Enlightenment... but...
Yeah, still torn.

[mym]

A nice use for Enlightenment, is when you are doing your buff cycle at the beginning of an instanced event (Nyzul for example) Instead of having to go Light Arts > addendum: white > RR2 > accession > Protect IV > accession > Shell IV and blowing 3 of 4 of your charges right off the bat... you can do Light arts > Enlightenment > RR2 > accession > Prot > accession > Shell and only use 2 of 4 charges.

Its not a big deal, but there have been times where we have had discharge happy chariots or spammy Psychflayers on the very first floor, and having that extra charge for accession status cures would really help.

[Eldelphia]

That is situational to the extreme then, like we've never seen it before. That stratagem is barely used as is (how I use SCH, anyway).

Are you talking about celerity/alacrity? An example of where I used those are during kited fights like Ix'MNK and the Ugly Pendant guy. It's fantastic for that damn tonberry and the less time it takes to cast the longer and more likely it is that I live! Also awesome for stoneskins and regens and any accessions where you have to be the centre of the target, like barspells.

[Dawin]

Vail, how many upgrades did you put into Altruism? My current understanding is that the first Merit gives it an unknown amount of Macc, and each upgrade gives it 5 more. Am I reading it correctly?

[Vail]

it's only level 1, and yeah there is two possiblities:

A) gives only 5m.acc at level one (sucks ass)
or
B) gives a higher unknown value

I'm guessing it's B, since it does use 2 charges, and the fact that even in campaign I've gotten some noticable effect out of it.

But like Kaeko says, the deal breaker depends solely on with klimaform + earthweather + Altruism can we land Slow on monsters that normally we struggle to land it on with a high (I guess 70%+ vs any of the slow resistant monsters would be a win)

[Tsukasaz]

Are you talking about celerity/alacrity? An example of where I used those are during kited fights like Ix'MNK and the Ugly Pendant guy. It's fantastic for that damn tonberry and the less time it takes to cast the longer and more likely it is that I live! Also awesome for stoneskins and regens and any accessions where you have to be the centre of the target, like barspells.

Yeah, talking about celerity/alacrity. That's why I put how I play SCH in there, since I usually don't have time to solo those things. If I'm going to do something like that I'll bring another person along to speed it up.

[The Blackrose]

If you can reliably land Slow on hard resist mobs with, say Altruism, Sandstorm, and Klimaform, I can see it being useful. Try one of these...

Dark Ixion
Khimaira
Cerberus

These typically require ES to land easily. If you can replace that it's worth 2 charges

Cerberus should probably be the prime test out of those three to look out for, considering DI and Khimaira are thunder-based mobs.

[Eldelphia]

Yeah, talking about celerity/alacrity. That's why I put how I play SCH in there, since I usually don't have time to solo those things. If I'm going to do something like that I'll bring another person along to speed it up.

I often duo/trio, I find it really useful. Interesting how peeps use this job differently.

[Meian]

Question regarding Enlightment.

When under the effect, does it give you the bonus skill up for both Light Arts and Dark Arts? So you could Enlightment then nuke a tier IV successfully as if under Dark Arts (and not with a 210 skill as if you were under Light Arts during it)

If so, then this is becoming harder to decide between Stormsurge/Enlightment/Focalization...

[Vail]

Cerberus should probably be the prime test out of those three to look out for, considering DI and Khimaira are thunder-based mobs.

my experience with khimaira highly shows that it's not any easier to land a dry Slow on him compared to Cerberus

and that's on RDM

SCH doesn't have as good of enfeeble skill as a rdm, so being able to land on any of those 3 would be sufficient

[Deftscythe]

Has anyone called a GM about enlightenment? I know GM info is by no means 100% accurate but I'd really like to know if it's broken or not.

[Tsukasaz]

I often duo/trio, I find it really useful. Interesting how peeps use this job differently.

I'd rather nuke with parsimony and save the MP then have the recast at 1/2 the time when I would have hate by the time it was back up anyway, even if I didn't I'd have my next spell up. I never nuke when hate is on me because I don't have macros to make the animation stop so I'd always get hit, but I do use alacrity for helixes sometimes if the thing is on me and blahblah.

[Kaeko]

Situationally I can only see AF2 feet being useful for getting T4 nukes off in kite - nongravity solos. Even still, if you need that -10% cast time how are you going to maintain weather on yourself?

More I think about how to fit it in, less useful it looks to me =/

[Lordwafik]

Situationally I can only see AF2 feet being useful for getting T4 nukes off in kite - nongravity solos. Even still, if you need that -10% cast time how are you going to maintain weather on yourself?

More I think about how to fit it in, less useful it looks to me =/

Screams zones with permaweather to me. Would be ok for squeezing in nukes in limbus (like KB around the corner), but then again you can do it safely round that corner without the boots, this won't add anything at all