Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Shin Volcano]

Maybe, but last i checked 1 int dosnt exactly boost your damage significalty. either way, i'v used both because back then before cloak was realsed i stuck to that combo so unless you have af+1 Hat and Mahatma body, it's less troublsome (and less expensive) to just use the claok. 9/10 if it's resisting alot, you normally aren't the one handling enfeebling. it's a "to much effort for to little results" situation and personaly when dealing with HNMs or large fights, i'm ussualy healing and supporting rather then nuking and enfeebling.

The point to this was..the Zenith set isn't needed for SCh for any reason, all this is primarly your playstyle and what you can get/afford, i got my claok off ixion him self, othen then that it's rather expensive.

[minsk]

Maybe, but last i checked 1 int dosnt exactly boost your damage significalty. either way, i'v used both because back then before cloak was realsed i stuck to that combo so unless you have af+1 Hat and Mahatma body, it's less troublsome (and less expensive) to just use the claok. 9/10 if it's resisting alot, you normally aren't the one handling enfeebling. it's a "to much effort for to little results" situation and personaly when dealing with HNMs or large fights, i'm ussualy healing and supporting rather then nuking and enfeebling.

The point to this was..the Zenith set isn't needed for SCh for any reason, all this is primarly your playstyle and what you can get/afford, i got my claok off ixion him self, othen then that it's rather expensive.

I personally like maxing out equipment slots to the best of my abilities, and the cloak is not the best for anything, but idle.

[Eldelphia]

Never really did understand why BLU got added to Nashira lol... I wouldn't be at all surprised if SCH doesn't end up on either Salvage set. I think Morrigans might tip the balanced into overpowered but I'd love to see it. I suspect though that they might be on both or Marduk's. Always wondered why there was regen on Marduk hands, kinda makes me wonder if it were aimed at SCH.

As for gear right now I'm so confused as to what I should wear when lol... Helices/nuking I think I'm ok on, I try and idle in argute body and af hat but I've recently gotten a goliard saio. Relic body + hat is so addictive, but for curing obviously the -EMN is nice on goliard. And before anyone says it, yes shit is situational I'm just looking to max out each slot. I'm more and more reluctant to drop relic body +af hat combo for healing. Being a WHM I have a Novia, errant cape, troopers ring and incidentally hydra brais from Tav (-6 EMN) so I guess I don't need it but the haste is nice on Goliard, sure miss that.

I'd like access to zenith for a max mp set for buffs but that's about it. Honestly I don't think I'd have the room to carry it. I'm not going to bother with the Ixion Cloak at this point.

[minsk]

Never really did understand why BLU got added to Nashira lol... I wouldn't be at all surprised if SCH doesn't end up on either Salvage set. I think Morrigans might tip the balanced into overpowered but I'd love to see it. I suspect though that they might be on both or Marduk's. Always wondered why there was regen on Marduk hands, kinda makes me wonder if it were aimed at SCH.

As for gear right now I'm so confused as to what I should wear when lol... Helices/nuking I think I'm ok on, I try and idle in argute body and af hat but I've recently gotten a goliard saio. Relic body + hat is so addictive, but for curing obviously the -EMN is nice on goliard. And before anyone says it, yes shit is situational I'm just looking to max out each slot. I'm more and more reluctant to drop relic body +af hat combo for healing. Being a WHM I have a Novia, errant cape, troopers ring and incidentally hydra brais from Tav (-6 EMN) so I guess I don't need it but the haste is nice on Goliard, sure miss that.

I'd like access to zenith for a max mp set for buffs but that's about it. Honestly I don't think I'd have the room to carry it. I'm not going to bother with the Ixion Cloak at this point.

you know you could, macro the goliard in for cures, and then swap back to relic body on idle, in between casts. that was you still get the benefit of a 4mp/tic sublimation + the benefits from goliard. And since you have relic body, ixion cloak isn't as good for idle as relic body + af hat

[Meian]

Curious, what is the comparison of Af hat + afv2 body Sublimation, af hat sublimation, and Refresh (the spell) in terms of mp gain (on average without sublimation merits and without)

[The Blackrose]

Curious, what is the comparison of Af hat + afv2 body Sublimation, af hat sublimation, and Refresh (the spell) in terms of mp gain (on average without sublimation merits and without)

Refresh is 3MP/Tic
Sublimation is 2HP -> 2MP/Tic
AF or Relic Sublimation is 3HP -> 3MP/Tic
AF and Relic Sublimation is 4HP -> MP/Tic

Sublimation merits only effect the amount of MP stored.

The main issue I could see with this is if a person is sacrificing HMP for using +Sublimation. EDIT: Also can see an issue with the choice of deciding to substitute Ixion Cloak for either or both. Then you also have to take into account the 30sec activation on Sublimation.

I'm also sure the math pre-Relic on Sublimation vs. Refresh has been done before and is buried somewhere in here.

[astura]

If your low manning or soloing in a situation where you cannot safely cast SS or maintain it ixion cloak is better due to being able to always get mp Regen and lower the hp cost by 1 per tic (with auto Regen neck you have a net loss of 0 hp and 1 more item your gaining hp). If you find yourself able to safely use SS for a situation to counter the hp loss then its better to use af hat/relic body. If you don't have access to the relic body then ixion cloak is slightly better idel piece then af hat (due to the 30 second timer you get more mp back with ixion/vermillion vs af hat)

[Shin Volcano]

ok i'm a fair person, so please, explain to me why idling in af1 hat and relic body does ANYTHING after using sublimation over a regen and refresh, the sublimation max is already set AFTER you use it with those 2 peices. as long as your hp stays above 50% or no? i could very well be wrong on that. but i use bomb queen ring also if im going to idle.

[jimbobsonofgod]

lol do you even realize how SCH sublimation works? you macro it in for sublimation, the effect is still on even if you take both pieces off, relic body DOES NOT actually have refresh on it,so idling in it for anything other then show is a bit retarded over ixion cloak. It has Refresh and Regen.. so a tick of both vs a tick of...nothing with relic body is better?

Use sublimation > cash in sublimation > Use sublimation 30 seconds later.
Ixion cloak good for exactly 30 seconds ?

If you are holding onto sublimation to use it when you need the mp, maybe be a little more active with your MP usage ?

I guess the original appeal of ixion was you could keep it on activate sublimation , use Orochi Nodowa and get your full sublimation without taking up any HP. But with AF/AFII cloak is kind of dated, provided you are using MP and cashing in on sublimation when its full instead of holding onto it.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Ok, so you coverd the sublimation part, and you do realize that using sublimation 30 seconds after you use it gives youa shit amount of mp in return right? kinde of dated? you serious? ok..unless you have relic hat and morgans coat..you may want to rethink that...but hey, people can use whatever they want, but i am fully aware not everyone understands how sch work

And 'm to busy controlling my MP not to run out fast so i am very "active" when i use my MP just not retarded to run out in 2 minutes, maybe when you play sch more you will see how mp effective they are, you know since i have a MP refresh over time from the cloak that adds up, not sitting idle in relic body getting nothing,

Maybe I was a little vague so I guess I'll help you out a bit by spelling it out in more depth for ya.

use sublimation - hat + AFII body
wait til its full or enough time passes to make it worth the cash in/whatever tops you off
IE LONGER THEN 30 seconds.

then cash it in re-apply in 30 seconds.
the thing is keeping the sublimation ticking. not just sitting there full while you idle in cloak. that's the point people are trying to get at.

you gain more MP by using AF/AFII then you do in ixion.

[Vajra]

Maybe I was a little vague so I guess I'll help you out a bit by spelling it out in more depth for ya.

use sublimation - hat + AFII body
wait til its full or enough time passes to make it worth the cash in/whatever tops you off
IE LONGER THEN 30 seconds.

then cash it in re-apply in 30 seconds.
the thing is keeping the sublimation ticking. not just sitting there full while you idle in cloak. that's the point people are trying to get at.

you gain more MP by using AF/AFII then you do in ixion.

Exactly, the people who whore refresh body cloaks etc, are he ones who have the old school playing mind of being RDMs WHMs SMNs and BLMs main. Max Sublimation is not only useful for "Max Sublimation Storage (w/ 5/5 i get back 362 or more MP always when it's fully stored, also charges in about 3 mins w/ afv2 body and af hat). But anwyays, Max Sublimation allows me to store 120ish MP WHILE weakned. W/o Max Sublimation, Scholar's Sublimation CANNOT charge while weakned. Keep in mind though, u still need to be above half HP (while weakned), and if it's still charging and u unweaken, then the charge will complete automatically.

[Acturus]

Hai u guyz, there is a thread in Standard discussion specifically for these EITHER/OR type debates.

Could we please not clutter up this incredibly useful thread with 5 pages of arguing the minute difference of gear that is best used situationally?

[minsk]

without relic body you should be idling in a refresh cloak though, but the difference is only 10 mp every charge. (assuming you perfect on sublimation cool down), the 2 hp drain on sublimation can be complete mitigated with orochi nodowa and garden bangles (During daytime) as well

[Halion]

But anwyays, Max Sublimation allows me to store 120ish MP WHILE weakned. W/o Max Sublimation, Scholar's Sublimation CANNOT charge while weakned. Keep in mind though, u still need to be above half HP (while weakned), and if it's still charging and u unweaken, then the charge will complete automatically.

Is this intentional or do you think it's a bug with the merits? First time I'm hearing of it I just hit 75 yesterday

[Reapz]

lol do you even realize how SCH sublimation works? you macro it in for sublimation, the effect is still on even if you take both peices off

Do you? Seriously how stupid are you, stop posting and learn your job

[Vajra]

Is this intentional or do you think it's a bug with the merits? First time I'm hearing of it I just hit 75 yesterday

It's worked this way ever since i put first upgrade into Max Sublimation (Which was the day of the update), so i dont think it's a glitch.

[FailureMidgard]

I'm curious, those of you arguing against Ixion cloak, can you post your full nuking setups for various mobs?

[The Blackrose]

I'm curious, those of you arguing against Ixion cloak, can you post your full nuking setups for various mobs?

Current setups:

Base Damage:
Stave
BLS +1
Phantom Tathlum
SCH Mortarboard (Will be +1'd after Gown)
Elemental Torque/Uggalepih (Damn you Prudence)
Moldavite
Loquacious (Damn you Love)
Errant Houppelande
Viscious Mufflers (Damn you Salvage x2)
Omega Ring
Snow Ring
Prism Cape
Obi/Penitent's (Damn you Dynamis)
Mahatma Slops
Goliard Clogs

Resist:
Stave
BLS +1
Phantom Tathlum
SCH Mortarboard (Damn you Dynamis, although thinking of playing with Elite Beret)
Elemental Torque
Moldavite
Loquacious (Damn you Love)
SCH Gown (Damn you Brilliantine)
Genie Gages
Omega Ring
Snow Ring
Prism Cape (Damn you Ix'MNK)
Obi/Penitent's (Damn you Dynamis)
Mahatma Slops
Goliard Clogs

As you can see, I still have a bit to go to finishing my sets. Each part is slowly being rectified.

[Meian]

I tend to sit in full Yigit when idling or curing (long as I wasn't nuking or enfeebling) and allows to rest really efficently. I guess it works out well until I can get body {lost to someone else -_-} and just idle with both pieces on instead of using Yigit (although I should prolly rest with it on).

[Ultimagi]

High Quality Elemental Staff
Bugard Strap +1
Phantom Tathlum
Scholar's Mortarboard
Elemental Torque
Novio Earring
Moldavite Earring
Scholar's Gown
Master Caster's Bracelets
Omega Ring
Snow Ring
Gleeman's Cape
Elemental Obi
Mahatma Slops
Nashira Crackows

I never get to use Scholar, but since I do mostly Sea, this is the set I would use to nuke there.