Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Shin Volcano]

I had to suffer through pre-update SCH, this was back when they had nothing but 2 charges, and i stopoed at 58 till the updates, i already liked the fact when sublimation came out it was a free poison pot. but when it couldnt be stacked with RDM refresh i saw exactly what they were trying to do, it really dosn't limit you by any means, it just take a matter of controlling your MP in a effective way, and some points you have to make sacrafices, such as keeping weather spells on you, but if you are under addendum black do you want to lose that 1 charge? or take the mp and casting time penatly to keep your weather effect up, i still don't understand Enligtment merit. did they mean it to have the casting time and mp pentatly as another oppertunity sacrafice? or is this a mistake on there part. cause at the moment i don't see any reason to further merit it beyond level 1.

[Xanthe]

Enlightenment is there to allow you to cast a spell without having to use the proper addendum, for example if you're in Dark Arts + Addendum: Black and need to put Reraise back up or erase something.

[Meian]

Enlightenment is there to allow you to cast a spell without having to use the proper addendum, for example if you're in Dark Arts + Addendum: Black and need to put Reraise back up or erase something.

I believe so yes

[Aemora]

Hi.

What's with all the anger? When did this thread turn from a general collaboration of players who have leveled Scholar talk about their experiences of the job, it's playstyles, possibilities the job can do, and gear combinations to outright calling of names and so much violence?

Personally, I nuke in Ixion's Cloak, and I'll tell you why. A) I have 4 other jobs leveled anmd like to find gear that I can use on a multitude of jobs rather than job one (Job-specific gear is the expection, of course). So when I got Yigit Gomlek for my Bard at first, I sold my Errant because at the time all I used it for was the hMP in. I nuked in Yigit for a while until I got Cloak, then used that instead of having to rebuy an Errant Houppelande for a single purpose, of which if I'm honest, I don't do a lot of. I play Scholar a lot in LightArts mode, and find there to be no incredible benefit that an Errant Body offers over my Ix.Cloak/Y.Gomlek/A.Gown/S.Gown/G.Siao. I'm not going to invest in something that consumes my intentory space and gil for 2-3 damage on my nukes.

Scholar is an incredibly variable job, and it's down to the playstyles of the people who play it. I don't see why this thread has been derailed so much that the last 4 pages have contained so much bitterness k back to healing my party in Einy~

[Yugl]

Were there any updates on optimal Nuking, Nuking Medium Resist mobs (Current in "E-Fightfights" over the body), and Helix sets?

[Acturus]

Were there any updates on optimal Nuking, Nuking Medium Resist mobs (Current in "E-Fightfights" over the body), and Helix sets?

Updates compared to when?

[The Blackrose]

Just removed a number of posts. Starting to debate on whether or not to give this thread a 24 hour cooldown period...

[LD]

Damn, I liked my Price is Right failure link.
Then again, if the conversation hadn't gotten so stupid I wouldn't have posted it. :/

Life's funny.


What are we talking about now? Oh, gear.
When I switched from Ixion Cloak to Argute Head/AF+1 Body, I noticed I got a lot fewer resists at the cost of an approximately 70 point damage decrease. I'd call that a good change, all things considered. I still use Ixion Cloak for healing since I still lack Goli gear and I need it to hit the SS cap. I didn't used to need the MND as much, but I've been kitting out for more Enmity-, so stuff like Promise Badge and MND rings are being replaced by Republican's Silver Medal and Trooper's Ring. "But LD," you may ask, "wouldn't Errant's be better for that, since it has Enmity-?" I would reply "I was poor as shit when my LS got me my Cloak with an ever-growing inventory, so after weighing the pros & cons (cons consisting mostly of my gear at the time), I sold my Errant body. You may then ask "Why not the cloak?" I would reply "Cuz I'm not a douche." It's a great catch-all piece and I still use it when I'm idling and my Sub is full (or when I'm weakened) but I'm not going to convince myself that I keep it around for anything other than convenience. Odds are when I finally cap Enhancing and get a better healing set, I'll give it back to my LS (for good.) The second we get Morrigan's (or any good refresh piece that's not a Cloak) any advantage Ixion may have had will be gone (besides increased accessibility), since it will be overshadowed by 3 sub + 1 refresh/tick.

[FailureMidgard]

And that's what I was talking about earlier about being more active with your MP so when sublimation you get the full use of the charge when its available.

Like Rdm who don't convert instead of converting when the timer is up.

If you are always sitting at 1000's of MP and always sitting at full sublimation

1 Tic refresh isn't gonna make your day and the 1 HP a tic isn't doing you any good either.

Be like every other linkshell and sell cloaks for relics/mythics and stop giving them to the schs

Sorry, but I disagree with you entirely.

Except when shit his the fan, it's very good to be sitting on convert/extra mp/etc. The bad red mages make sure they use convert on cooldown, and are lazy about their mana outside of that, and when something goes wrong at a bad time, they never are able to help out. The good ones still pay attention to their mp, try to save convert (note: they are still doing -everything- they are supposed to, just being efficient on any curing, resting if they have no need to cast), and when something goes sour, they are ready for it, and nothing goes wrong.

And I'm still shocked at people saying Ixion is idle only, when those same people nuke with an Omega ring. It may be overpriced for what it does (which is why I don't have one), but if I did, I would very likely use it for nuking most things.

[minsk]

Orochi I need to ask about your gearing choices. How much INT do you sacrifice for magic accuracy? Do you use omega ring to nuke in instead of a snow ring? do you use an ele grip instead of Bugard strap+1? Do you use an elemental torque instead of prudnce/enlightened chain?

[Shin Volcano]

i explained my entire set up in the last post towards you, , but it was erased,

#1 No, i don't use the elemental grips, because i don't have anywhere near the space to carry all those grips, even if i did i keep my INT balanced filling the gap, bugard+1 to make up for that +1 INT you were debating with me over, as i said...I don't focus on elemental skill unless it is a high level mob, so elighthing chain, untill prudance torque drops for us, Omega ring? it's a good choice to, since cream puff gives +7 INT which compensates for the 2 u would be missing from snow ring, vs melon pie+1 with snow, which is 5, what you didn't seem to understand is there are ways to work around INT, unless you can accumulate INT in LARGE amounts example:

Phantom ring+1 =2 INT
Mahatma Body =11 INT
Moaterbored+1 = 5 INT
Goliard clogs = 4 INT
prudance torque =5 INT

Based on your basic errant af combo this would add (assuming youe ven use elighting chain, if not add +3 INT to this, and rostrum pumps which is +1 more 1 INT from clogs}

This is about +8 INT, THIS is when INT starts to really matter, BUT you ask your self, would you REALLY spend that much for the buyable peices for all that INT.
INT= Magic accuracy for the most part with a slight hit to your base damage, which as i stated unless it is in large amounts you aren't going to notice a diffrence.

What you didn't seem to understand is if you want MORE damaging nukes, You go with MAB, that is pure damage, not 1-2 INT which will give you crap for more damage. my whole argument with you was, i'd rather have a better chance at landing my nukes on higher level mobs, because i don't go around fighting eps and crappy resistance mobs like puddings with a magic accuracy set because it does nothing on them.

SCH simply does NOT have the elemental skill to constatly nuke HNMs or very high resistance mobs, during those fights, i mainly focus on supporting the tank pt or buffing the blms so they get better nukes, i fight the middle ground mobs that can resist but not so bad that elemental skill will hinder much, i went 8/8 ele skill, so i can get away
w ithout torque, you can't find a decent balance between INT and elemental skill like BLM< this is why i choose my own set up style, and it's worked just fine for me, my resists are rare on VT mobs and most NMs due to the magic accuracy i put in, as i said, if it's more damage you want go MAB, which is why morgana's coat is a great damage peice, since focalization and klimaform kills that - 8 MACC penatly on it, if i dont NEED the Af body's +15 skill then i use cloak. i don't Sacrafice much to any INT tbh, because i make up for what i'm missing thru other gear and food.

[The Blackrose]

SCH simply does NOT have the elemental skill to constatly nuke HNMs or very high resistance mobs

We do, but it just depends on how crazy you want to get.

[Shin Volcano]

Well, how crazy DO you want to get..Khimira is pretty insane for example...have you tried nuking that ass hole? even BLM have a hard time on him. Oruyu (spelling?) Tiamat, are all examples of you may get constant resists regardless of your set up, i can get some numbers off tiamat and his other wyrm buddies for example..but khim i'v never had such a horrible time with. but i'm normally not in charge of nuking them, since SCh has so much other crap to do.

Givin that report tho, i still have quite a few things to get, regarding more accurate nukes before i even attempt anythign heavly magic resistant, Areoral is somthing that may one of the hardest things to get and xarc REFUSES to drop relic hat even tho i'v just recently watched 3 rdms hat and 2 thfs hands drop....go figure eh.

[Yugl]

Updates compared to when?

AF+1/Relics introduction. Most posts I've seen are about what players have themselves, not necessarily the best set of gear (Unless Prism > Gleeman for Helix). I think I have an idea of a Resist set up, so I'm more interested in a good Medium LV mob nukes, healing, and helix set up.

[Ratatapa]

Well, how crazy DO you want to get..Khimira is pretty insane for example...have you tried nuking that ass hole? even BLM have a hard time on him. Oruyu (spelling?) Tiamat, are all examples of you may get constant resists regardless of your set up, i can get some numbers off tiamat and his other wyrm buddies for example..but khim i'v never had such a horrible time with. but i'm normally not in charge of nuking them, since SCh has so much other crap to do.

Givin that report tho, i still have quite a few things to get, regarding more accurate nukes before i even attempt anythign heavly magic resistant, Areoral is somthing that may one of the hardest things to get and xarc REFUSES to drop relic hat even tho i'v just recently watched 3 rdms hat and 2 thfs hands drop....go figure eh.

Khim not a good exemple, even BLM can have resist on it

[The Blackrose]

Khim not a good exemple, even BLM can have resist on it

I can second that. My BLM cried whenever I went to do Khim or Cerb.

[minsk]

i explained my entire set up in the last post towards you, , but it was erased,

#1 No, i don't use the elemental grips, because i don't have anywhere near the space to carry all those grips, even if i did i keep my INT balanced filling the gap, bugard+1 to make up for that +1 INT you were debating with me over, as i said...I don't focus on elemental skill unless it is a high level mob, so elighthing chain, untill prudance torque drops for us, Omega ring? it's a good choice to, since cream puff gives +7 INT which compensates for the 2 u would be missing from snow ring, vs melon pie+1 with snow, which is 5, what you didn't seem to understand is there are ways to work around INT, unless you can accumulate INT in LARGE amounts example:

Phantom ring+1 =2 INT
Mahatma Body =11 INT
Moaterbored+1 = 5 INT
Goliard clogs = 4 INT
prudance torque =5 INT

Based on your basic errant af combo this would add (assuming youe ven use elighting chain, if not add +3 INT to this, and rostrum pumps which is +1 more 1 INT from clogs}

This is about +8 INT, THIS is when INT starts to really matter, BUT you ask your self, would you REALLY spend that much for the buyable peices for all that INT.
INT= Magic accuracy for the most part with a slight hit to your base damage, which as i stated unless it is in large amounts you aren't going to notice a diffrence.

What you didn't seem to understand is if you want MORE damaging nukes, You go with MAB, that is pure damage, not 1-2 INT which will give you crap for more damage. my whole argument with you was, i'd rather have a better chance at landing my nukes on higher level mobs, because i don't go around fighting eps and crappy resistance mobs like puddings with a magic accuracy set because it does nothing on them.

SCH simply does NOT have the elemental skill to constatly nuke HNMs or very high resistance mobs, during those fights, i mainly focus on supporting the tank pt or buffing the blms so they get better nukes, i fight the middle ground mobs that can resist but not so bad that elemental skill will hinder much, i went 8/8 ele skill, so i can get away
w ithout torque, you can't find a decent balance between INT and elemental skill like BLM< this is why i choose my own set up style, and it's worked just fine for me, my resists are rare on VT mobs and most NMs due to the magic accuracy i put in, as i said, if it's more damage you want go MAB, which is why morgana's coat is a great damage peice, since focalization and klimaform kills that - 8 MACC penatly on it, if i dont NEED the Af body's +15 skill then i use cloak. i don't Sacrafice much to any INT tbh, because i make up for what i'm missing thru other gear and food.

you say 1 or 2 INT doesn't matter, but when you keep following that rule in every slot, your gonna end up with 10-15 less INT than someone trying to max out there gear.

And in situations where you are nuking, how viable is it to use focalization? you can use it twice in 4 minutes, or once every 2 minutes, that personally killed any real practical potential it had imo.


And again with the condescending tone in your post

[astura]

Helix the best set up would be prioritizing int>mab for dmg except for spots where mab is greater then int (general rule is 2:1 mab:int rule if its not over that not worth using). The best set would probly consist of:
8/8 elemental
Klimaform
(ice weather 7 int)
5/5 int merits
cream puff (+7 int)
/rdm (mab 20)
5/5 helix merits (10 macc 10 mab )
aquillos (15% dmg +5 int)
buggard strap (1 int)
ammo (+2 int)
matts cap (+7 int)
prudence torque (+5 int)
moldavite/novio (+12 mab)
mahamat (+11 int)
yigit (+2 mab +5 int)
snow ring/tamas (+10 int)
gleeman's (+5 int)
ice obi (more constant max duration)
mahamat (+8 int)
yigit (+3 int +2 mab)


total of (w/o waist):
15% dmg, +81 int, +36 mab, +10 macc( +obi/staff/klimaform macc)

Its a bit extreme but not totally unreasonable to get outside torque or mahamat body (due to rarety)

As far as focalization it would depend on how you would make a cycle and resist rate. EXample, something like wyrms with 2 minute cycles you could easily work it into 2 while its in the air for 2 minutes as long as you pre-charged it prior to taking off by 30 seconds. (1:30 ground use it 2 charges down 2:00 take off use it 3:30 its back to use again). In the end it depends on mobs resist rate and what you feel is best. What cycle i find best on mobs that i can reach acceptable macc on is:
Klimaform (push recast to 2 minute duration) use 1/2 cost T4>drain>potency helix(if not super high int mob)>drain>(optiona)T4 in 2 minutes
That cycle puts you exactly a 1:1 charge spent/minute use ratio and maximizes the amount of magic dmg done with high magic acc.

[Shin Volcano]

you say 1 or 2 INT doesn't matter, but when you keep following that rule in every slot, your gonna end up with 10-15 less INT than someone trying to max out there gear.

And in situations where you are nuking, how viable is it to use focalization? you can use it twice in 4 minutes, or once every 2 minutes, that personally killed any real practical potential it had imo.


And again with the condescending tone in your post

atm my focalization is 4/5 which is about +20 MACC no one said abuse it and use it asap, you need to only use it when you know you will need the MACC, my primary use for it are sleeps on dark resistant and sleep trait resistant mobs (PLD) and gravity when i want to make sure it needs to land, it's hardly ever even needed for nukes because of the magic accuracy build i already have, 10-15 less INT? did you take into considaration the cost of that extra 10 INT? i'm not rich, so i try to use what works, and quite frankly, i'm not spending 5 mil for a mahatma body (or whatever the price is) and 1.2+ mil for phantom earring+1 as much as i love SCH i'm not THAT crazy. but if somone has the gill by ALL means, go for it. i have 7 other jobs to think about and i pretty much spam salvage, so i always need to save gill,
what i use at the moment works fine, of course it may not be the best in some others eyes, but i am here for my self, not what others approve of. Keep in mind Nuking is only Part of a SCHs aersnel, i am supporting way more then anything else, so i focused mainly on -enimity, if i need to primarly nuke i can just use my morrigan's robe BLM with it's current gear. Nuking with SCH only comes when the situation at hand needs for it, which does happen, but i can say "ok time to nuke" instead of "awwww i won't nuke well" and no, i don't follow that loss of INT in every slot..i know where i can exchange macc for INT and it won't hurt me..example i nuke in tamas ring as a second, not insect ring, which is +2 Magic accuracy, and not the elemental grips. even tho they are also +2 Magic accuracy, i'm not a wallmart SCH.

I can second that. My BLM cried whenever I went to do Khim or Cerb.

@Blackrose

Wow, you acttualy tried to nuke cerb? i don't even think magic is at all good on him, the only reason we had BLMS on him back when i fought him reguraly was just for stuns, i think he's natrually magic resistant, khim on the other hand...you can get numbers, but don't expect much..

[The Blackrose]

@Blackrose

Wow, you acttualy tried to nuke cerb? i don't even think magic is at all good on him, the only reason we had BLMS on him back when i fought him reguraly was just for stuns, i think he's natrually magic resistant, khim on the other hand...you can get numbers, but don't expect much..

I wasn't going to hold my dick in my hand for a good 75% or so, so it was worth a shot.

Sometimes I try things just out of pure boredom. Hell, I didn't have to assemble anything for Ixion the other day so I went on BLM to dick around.