Scholar Discussion #3 (post March patch)

[Xanthe]

Would you suspect that the difference would be marginal or have noticable impact on the damage?

Using my current low skill nuke set on Ebony Puddings (91 INT):

Mithra SCH/RDM
8/8 Elemental Magic merits
Cream Puff
Thunderstorm
Ebullience
Neutral Day
Jupiter's Staff
Bugard Strap +1
Phantom Tathlum
Elemental Torque
Moldavite Earring
Phantom Earring
Ixion Cloak
Errant Cuffs
Snow Ring
Omega Ring
Rainbow Cape
Rairin Obi (Argute Belt for Ionohelix)
Mahatma Slops
Rostrum Pumps

INT: 70+51 (56) = 121 (126)
MAB: 1.25

Thunder IV: 1424
Thunder III: 921
Ionohelix: 189

Substitute Ixion Cloak for Scholar's Mortarboard +1 and Royal Redingote:

INT: 70+48 (53) = 118 (121)
MAB: 1.29

Thunder IV: 1454
Thunder III: 938
Ionohelix: 187

Scholar's Mortarboard +1 and Errant Hpl.

Thunder IV: 1431
Thunder III: 930
Ionohelix: 194

Same setups using a mob with no magic damage adjustment and 91 INT.

Ixion Cloak:

Thunder IV: 1140
Thunder III: 738
Ionohelix: 152

Scholar's Mortarboard +1 and Royal Redingote

Thunder IV: 1164
Thunder III: 753
Ionohelix: 140

Scholar's Mortarboard +1 and Errant Hpl.

Thunder IV: 1146
Thunder III: 744
Ionohelix: 156

All examples are calculations based on the formulas I've entered in Excel. I'd say the Redingote is more than a marginal increase in situations that would would otherwise use Ixion Cloak. On an incidental note, remind me to change my helix set to use Errant instead of Ixion.

[Shin Volcano]

I'v noticed a bigger diffrence in casting time with AF2 Head +Af+1 Feet, it seems to be like the same bonus RDM gets with Af2 body+ AF1 Head, and certainly a better option then rostrum, does anyone know the exact casting speed boost from the 2? seems to be 20% casting time reduction and 10% recast time, this could be a better option To standerd nuking. and with accession any recast reduction Helps a ton.

[Xanthe]

I'v noticed a bigger diffrence in casting time with AF2 Head +Af+1 Feet, it seems to be like the same bonus RDM gets with Af2 body+ AF1 Head, and certainly a better option then rostrum, does anyone know the exact casting speed boost from the 2? seems to be 20% casting time reduction and 10% recast time, this could be a better option To standerd nuking. and with accession any recast reduction Helps a ton.

Each piece is 10% Fast Cast (10% cast time, 5% recast), so you are correct.

[Shin Volcano]

lol i looked that part up, i did mean altogether with all fast cast gear possible (including earring) BUT i found it odd SE gave the +1 Feet 3 INT as oppesed to nothing being on the NQ seems they knew those feet would be a good option for nuking together with the Hat.

[Xanthe]

I wouldn't use AF1+1 feet at the same time as AF2 head for nuking, mostly because AF2 head is more suited for a high resist setup. Ideally AF1+1 head and Yigit Crackows for your low resist set and AF2(+1) head and Goliard Clogs for your high resist set. For any buffs and cures I'd definitely use the AF2(+1) head and AF1(+1) feet combo. I'd use it for Drain and Aspir as well.

[Shin Volcano]

Due to salvage Yigit anything is impossible for me,and i either can't get nyzul or lose every lot to Goliard feet..that's my best option right now..

[Xanthe]

Yeah, I'm Yigitless myself as well due to Nyzul spam. I guess if neither of the other two options are accessible for you then AF1+1 feet are acceptable.

[EternalSnow]

It pisses me off that people in my shell think Scholar can't nuke or soemthing. Sch is awesome they obviosuly don't know shit about it :/

[Acturus]

It pisses me off that people in my shell think Scholar can't nuke or soemthing. Sch is awesome they obviosuly don't know shit about it :/

Is it that, or does your shell already have enough BLMs?

[EternalSnow]

No I have a blm job. But I really perfer to go sch over blm. To be able to nuke things constantly and see really no resist is jsut amazing to me and I love the job so much.

[Knightfell]

Is it that, or does your shell already have enough BLMs?

Seems every BLM in my LS is leveling SCH after seeing what it can do, having an absoulte blast with the job, and the couple of times I have partied with another BLM my SCH puts them to shame, (Only 37 so far, but as awesome as this is I am taking it all the way).

Utilty-Belt Mage indeed.

[Acturus]

I was just making the point that linkshell is not always anti-Dark Arts, but may just not have need for SCH when a BLM will do.

Seems every BLM in my LS is leveling SCH after seeing what it can do, having an absoulte blast with the job, and the couple of times I have partied with another BLM my SCH puts them to shame, (Only 37 so far, but as awesome as this is I am taking it all the way).

Utilty-Belt Mage indeed.

I'm one of two SCHs in our linkshell, and the other SCH has BLM leveled. We do have a surplus of BLMs, and most of our linkshell is multi-job. I will say that if I don't go SCH to an event, it's because we need my MNK, and if our other SCH doesn't come BRD to events, then he typically comes SCH.

But again, your linkshell may vary, rebates are at the dealer's sole discretion, picture on the box may not reflect actual item, etc. etc.

[Shin Volcano]

I have the same issue, unless my WHM or MNK is needed, i'm going SCH to almost all events, even tho i have blm and it is known. I swear they day they let SCH on the morrigan list is the day i completly quit BLM. Very quick raises are the most notible huge plus i have during dynamis.

[Eldelphia]

It pisses me off that people in my shell think Scholar can't nuke or soemthing. Sch is awesome they obviosuly don't know shit about it :/

I agree with the other posters, it's often because there are a ton of BLMs rather than anything else. BLMs were needed for so long that we have a good core of fully merited BLMs with decent gear and less healers/support.

[Acturus]

I agree with the other posters, it's often because there are a ton of BLMs rather than anything else. BLMs were needed for so long that we have a good core of fully merited BLMs with decent gear and less healers/support.

At the same time, not every linkshell is forward-thinking enough to TRY something new either. My linkshell has some great and talented people in it, and we have lots of opportunities to low man things, but at the end of the day, we end up conforming to strategies that are tried and true because we want to win. Black Mages are the staple of a lot of strategies where magic damage is important, and it's easier to know a BLM will help than to hope a SCH will help.

It's not a bad thing in and of itself, it's just that way some times. I am pleased though, at least with my group, that the two SCHs we have do get used, and we end up being sort of heralds for our job class.

[Eldelphia]

At the same time, not every linkshell is forward-thinking enough to TRY something new either. My linkshell has some great and talented people in it, and we have lots of opportunities to low man things, but at the end of the day, we end up conforming to strategies that are tried and true because we want to win. Black Mages are the staple of a lot of strategies where magic damage is important, and it's easier to know a BLM will help than to hope a SCH will help.

It's not a bad thing in and of itself, it's just that way some times. I am pleased though, at least with my group, that the two SCHs we have do get used, and we end up being sort of heralds for our job class.

I find I get to play SCH a lot more when we low man events and there the fact that I can flip between arts is the key attraction.

[Vegetatheprince]

Enspell AoE Removed 4/8/09 update.

Edit: Sounds like a glitch at this point, meh. Would have been nice motivation to finish Whm

[Enygma55]

Might just be broken due to the introduction of new Enspells II and coding.

[Kylewhataru]

If it weren't for the crappy merits I might play SCH over BLM in nuking role, but it just doesn't compare to a fully merited and well geared BLM.

[Acturus]

Enspell AoE Removed 4/8/09 update.

I'll say it now. My money is on the belief that this was a mistake in the coding brought on by the Tier II enspells addition.