March 10th PUP WS testing~

[miokomioko]

Maybe I can talk my LS into fighting lolHydra for a Berserker's Torque to make the prep quicker and more "on-the-fly."

Too bad PUP can't wear said torque.

The zeroing MP thing via frame changing in town and Role Reversaling your way to low HP is the quickest setup that I've found.

I don't see much use in MM on chariots as the AoE (Discharge, Inertia Stream, etc) would make short work of the Automaton, especially with low HP. In fact MM is so limited in its application, I found myself getting one e-peen screenshot and not really using it that much since. And when I do use it, it's at ~50% HP, 100% TP for just decent, non-hate grabbing damage.

If anything Magic Mortar has just increased PUP-awareness and allowed me to use the frames I've always used, putting up solid numbers, and actually get noticed for it. I actually met a BLM that didn't know Automations got Tier IV spells and thought it was added in this past update along with SCH. They proceeded to T_T all over the place about SCH and I proceeded to ignore them.

I don't know what the hell I was thinking with regards to that torque.

Either way, now that we got nerfed, test moar.

[Gaea]

I don't have the heart to see what Magic Mortar is doing now that SE "adjusted" it. Anyone out there try it yet?

[Spira]

wouldn't it be funny if the only thing they adjusted was so that at full HP it wouldn't do 0 dmg? lol

[Jaybar]

wouldn't it be funny if the only thing they adjusted was so that at full HP it wouldn't do 0 dmg? lol

That's what I said to a LS pup ;x Would be awesome if that was true, hehe.....

[Draggy]

That would be awesome lol but i dont have that much (or any) faith in SE

[Spira]

whether or not MM was nerfed into obscurity, the moments that MM did shine put PUP in the spotlight for a decent amount of time to recover some of its lost reputation..
Granted, it'd be an amazing bonus, we still have Armor Piercer and 60% MAB SpiritWaker...
I'm hoping they just scaled the mods when used with Flame Holder a bit, because the 4ks were a tad extreme.

im actually more concerned if pettp is fixed.

[miokomioko]

pettp hasn't been fixed, but I'm trying to test at this moment... moar layder

edit: it's still based on HP missing (sigh)... still testing
eh... no noticable difference so far, at least on bumblebees, it might be either scaled/resistable now or fire holder no longer does +100% dmg.
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TP:107% HP:1542/1542 (0 missing) = 0 damage

TP:116% HP:548/1542 (994 missing) = 516 damage (~52% of hp missing)

TP:116% HP:238/1542 (1304 missing) = 677 damage (~52% of hp missing)

[aznmajiktaru]

F5ing to see how much MM got nerfed :-"

[Gaea]

Single or Double Digit HP 3 Fire maneuvers 300% TP test where ?

[miokomioko]

I'm still doing some tests between souleaters as I prep myself down to single-digits. then I'm going to move on to something that I can test inhibitor on.

[Hyan]

Well, heres something: maton 250hp, 150tp, 2 fire maneuvers: 943 MM on EP goblin @past north gusta

[Toth]

A shame lol. Even as a PUP, I was never thrilled by those obscene MM. However, I was looking forward to getting consistent 1k MM on most mobs. It does not seem possible now.

[miokomioko]

A shame lol. Even as a PUP, I was never thrilled by those obscene MM. However, I was looking forward to getting consistent 1k MM on most mobs. It does not seem possible now.

I have a feeling that this nerf is going to have an effect where before we were trying as hard as we could to do 4k+ dmg and had to actually hold off to do consistant 1k+... now we're going to have to try hard for those 1ks... we'll see, I'm about to test 300tp and 3 maneuver fire holder with like 100hp...

[Toth]

I really hope so, Mioko. Heck, I enjoyed the 1000-400 MM while soloing. However, the initial reports do not sound too great.

[Spira]

The problem is, when 1k's arent exactly hard for any job to get.. and we'd have to go through all the effort for it, only to have it come out below other jobs.. it makes the whole thing not seem the effort.

[Gaea]

A shame lol. Even as a PUP, I was never thrilled by those obscene MM. However, I was looking forward to getting consistent 1k MM on most mobs. It does not seem possible now.

I have a feeling that this nerf is going to have an effect where before we were trying as hard as we could to do 4k+ dmg and had to actually hold off to do consistant 1k+... now we're going to have to try hard for those 1ks... we'll see, I'm about to test 300tp and 3 maneuver fire holder with like 100hp...

Preupdate <100 with 3 fires, double repair tanks, 300% tp was over 3k

[Toth]

The problem is, when 1k's arent exactly hard for any job to get.. and we'd have to go through all the effort for it, only to have it come out below other jobs.. it makes the whole thing not seem the effort.

While this is true, a maton doing a guarenteed 1k to a very high defense HNM mob is still worth it. Not many can do that after all. We still have AP for pure DD on normal mobs and perhaps Bonecrusher has some secrets to unlock.

Oh and I'm afraid to visit KI and see the QQing...

[miokomioko]

aaaand I was right.

TP300% + 3 Fire Maneuvers + 6/1542 (1536 missing) = 1536 damage

http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart...ne-clipart.gif

EDIT:: IM RETARDED

[Stanislaw]

This is...

Uggh... I can't think straight right now... I just... I just... argh.

After going through all that joy and jubilation... I'm just...

[Spira]

That's hoping they didn't adjust the WS's level correction (if any) or resist rate. They probably didn't but I wouldn't give SE the benefit of the doubt in any case.
Its also somewhat risky, because your automaton's risk of death is pretty high and causing you to potentially go 20min useless is still something I cannot accept. This will probably change in the future tho. If anything, it might be reduced to something similar to Nether Blast except you need TP to use it.

New testing on WS mods might be in order. Flame Holder has been nerfed, but there are possibilities of it working with perhaps Loudspeaker (remember how some old JP magazine said Loudspeaker affected Cannibal Blade?) so we'd need to do more testing (well not me I suck at PUP tests)

KI seems fine. Not much QQing tbh and we're doing damage control, mostly.