March 10th PUP WS testing~

[Stanislaw]

Now that we know how MM works, how best can we configure our automaton to use it effectively in exp parties?

Use Harlequin frame with double Auto Repair tanks and then use Role Reversal when HP goes down?

I'm guessing the key is to have the automaton's MP around 0 so it cannot cast cure on itself. What tactics have you guys been doing to get your HP down?

I would probably equip Schurzen, throw up 1 or 2 Earth Maneuvers then pull a mob using the Auto and let the Auto get beat down to 1 HP a few times (with the WARs provoking off the Auto after it gets hit a few times, of course). This way, it'll quickly waste MP by curing itself so I can have an Automaton with 1HP and no MP relatively quickly.

After that, it's easy pickings... as long as you can finish the mob off with the WS, of course. Unless you have Schurzen and Earth Maneuvers up when you unleash Magic Mortar, if the mob survives the Automaton is otherwise very much dead.

By doing the above strat in Campaign, I came up with this:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/Stanislaw/mm.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...nislaw/mm2.png
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...nislaw/mm3.png

I love this so much. :nikkei:

[Psion]

Assuming we could get this to work, why not do a huge skill chain, maybe with a sam or two using 2 hour? as the sam starts using weaponskills, start with shurzen and put up one earth, then load up 2 fire, then deploy and put the last fire right before the auto reaches the target. that would minimize the chance of AoE one shotting harlyquin before he weaponskilled. deploy after the sam finishes with fragmentation, and get a 3600+ MM + 8000+ light? :rocl:

[Psion]

Ok, just tried this in campaign. normally mobs are a bit damage resistant, but with 100 tp and about 100 hp, oni did 2375 with triple fire to a vuud vangaurd. =D (then he died right after due to hate issues. ;

[miokomioko]

Is it decided that 300%TP Magic Mortar is a .75 or 1 mutliplyer on (maxHP-currentHP) calculation?

Soulsoother/Harlequin with all HP gear/attachments possible would come to about 1550 HP tops

300%TP as .75 multiplyer = ~4650 maximum damage possible
300%TP as 1 multiplyer = ~6200 maximum damage possible

Based on people's high-damage results it's looking like TP 100~300% varies from 50-75% of hp lost = damage

Has anyone ever seen this resisted? Phalanx? Utsusemi? Blink? Shell? Protect? I know it's not ranged, and I'm pretty certain it goes through Utsusemi, and it does get resisted down to exactly half by Fortifications. I could easily see that being the case on an HNM.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Does MM get resisted? I don't mean reduced by % magic damage down or MDB. I mean resists.

[Stanislaw]

Does MM get resisted? I don't mean reduced by % magic damage down or MDB. I mean resists.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe my Magic Mortar got resisted two or three times during a Mamool Ja Staging Point merit PT. Keeping about 300HP just in case of Puk AoE (they aren't physical based >_>), normal Magic Mortar with Flame Holder + 3 Fire Manuevers was doing about 2700 damage. However, I did get a few 1300-1400's in there, which slightly puzzled me when it happened. It's possible a Fire Maneuver might've worn off just when Mortar fired, or it got resisted. Of which, I'm not sure.

[miokomioko]

Does MM get resisted? I don't mean reduced by % magic damage down or MDB. I mean resists.

I've never heard of any instance of Magic Mortar (through my tests and also through reports) where it has dealt anything other than the calculated damage (from HP & Fire Holder + Maneuvers) aside from Fortifications' inherent "Damage taken -50%" I don't even think Shell/Protect affect it. I am becoming convinced that it is unavoidable, unresistable, but not unmitigatable (through dmg-% effects) damage.

::edit:: orly? I have yet to see my personal Magic Mortars do anything but the calculation on anything aside from Fortifications... Hmm. :/

[Elmer the Pointy]

Personally I don't believe in the lolforum mentality, but I do believe in lolposters. I see the same people on BG, KI, and alla so I'm not exactly impressed by forumism. The only difference is there is occasionally a brilliant poster here and there on BG, but the general populous seems the same otherwise. Sadly, this is not true for PUP. I don't know if it's because it's a loljob or whatever, but I've never found anything useful here for PUP. In fact, I've actually found false info, such as that Japanese translation claiming cannibal blade was affected by MAB and an outdated spellcasting AI. I just don't know. I like BG, just not for PUP.

What are you attacking me for? I posted that stuff August of last year...

[Darkdoom123]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...15-08_2027.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...15-08_2035.jpg


Note both time were Tsukushi was above 600 HP and with 3 Fire maneuvers, VE Head / Harly Body. PUP awesome for Endgame? I think so.
Sorry for low quality, was on PS2.

[Psion]

I just tried a 300% tp, 30 hp left MM on a shadowfang void... did 735 damage. /sadness

I dunno if thats because it resisted or becuase of elementals ability to resist damage a lot... Does this mean that the damage isnt calculated as magic but physical? hmm...

[Toth]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...15-08_2027.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...15-08_2035.jpg


Note both time were Tsukushi was above 600 HP and with 3 Fire maneuvers, VE Head / Harly Body. PUP awesome for Endgame? I think so.
Sorry for low quality, was on PS2.

Well that settles that. Farewell lolPUP.

[Darkdoom123]

This time under 200 HP.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...15-08_2101.jpg

[Toth]

/rolling on the floor laughing hysterically.

How did you get his HP low for MM during that fight?

[Stanislaw]

I just tried a 300% tp, 30 hp left MM on a shadowfang void... did 735 damage. /sadness

I dunno if thats because it resisted or becuase of elementals ability to resist damage a lot... Does this mean that the damage isnt calculated as magic but physical? hmm...

Did you have Flame Holder equipped + 3 Fire Maneuvers up? Because I did a 2800 Magic Mortar to Shadowfang Void earlier in campaign no problem.

[Darkdoom123]

/rolling on the floor laughing hysterically.

How did you get his HP low for MM during that fight?

PUP/DRK, Role Reversal.

[Toth]

Hmm...could try Poison Potions too I suppose.

[Darkdoom123]

Hmm...could try Poison Potions too I suppose.

All 3 times were mid battle while zerging... it's still a little hard to get Tsukushi down that low.

[Psion]

Yeah, i did, so i guess it IS possible for MM to get resisted? or maybe elementals are just funky like that. :elmer:

[DragonCloud64]

Wow, that's some pretty awesome damage. Time to get back to pup!

[Maxxthepenguin]

Next step: keeping the puppet alive while doing insane damage.