So Far: Best 5/Worst 5

[Ryko]

I'm kind of glad that I didn't play marth in melee because the lowered range doesn't really register with me while i'm trying to learn him. I guess my top 5 now are

Ike
Pit
Diddy
Snake
Marth

With a very significantly huge line being drawn on the border of diddy and snake.

[Zetah]

My top5 at the moment (not in terms of best characters in the game)

Zelda
Pikachu
Peach
Toon Link
Ice Climbers

And I dabble with Mario from time to time. I'm slowly but surely learning Ice Climbers and want them to be my alternate, I like their chaingrabs and grab kills.

[Kobb]

1. Lucas

2. Ike

3. Marth

4. Link

5. Mr. Game & Watch

G&W's hard for me to use though, I think it's his animations are what throw me off. I'm trying to learn how to use him better. Kinda like Ryko, I also didn't use Marth in Melee, so I don't notice his nerf or w/e people say.

[BRP]

Also there are more fire emblem games than Pokemon which it predates by half a decade, so there should be more Fire Emblem characters ;/.

[Zetah]

1. Lucas

2. Ike

3. Marth

4. Link

5. Mr. Game & Watch

G&W's hard for me to use though, I think it's his animations are what throw me off. I'm trying to learn how to use him better. Kinda like Ryko, I also didn't use Marth in Melee, so I don't notice his nerf or w/e people say.

Uhh, nerf? Game and Watch only got better in this game, the only thing that got nerfed was his neutral air (which became part of his up-B), everything else is great or somehow got better.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Also there are more fire emblem games than Pokemon which it predates by half a decade, so there should be more Fire Emblem characters ;/.

There are more pokemon games if you include the awesome spinoffs like Pokemon Ranger. If you include the different versions it's like whoa. If you include movies and the TCG it's incomparable.

Plus, there are also the same number of Metroid and Fire Emblem games and far more in both series than Mother games. Of all 3 of those, Metroid has the biggest impact on Nintendo today and it has the fewest characters (1+alt)


What's the point of all this? Who knows.

[ronin sparthos]

Also there are more fire emblem games than Pokemon which it predates by half a decade, so there should be more Fire Emblem characters ;/.

Fire Emblem is just getting popular in North America, Pokemon is an international craze. How many people knew who Marthe and Roy were when Melee popped up?

The Fire Emblem representation is great for melee and brawl has been superb. 2 great characters - Castle Siege and besides the 'I fight for my friends' mess FE is living good.

Pokemon is doing well still, i had questions about Lucario after they axed Mewtwo but they did a good job giving Lucario the 'spirit' of Mewtwo. The new stage is a little too much rehash on Pokemon Stadium 1 and i miss Poke Floats (oddly) but its still all good - Pokemon Trainer is the win.

[Kobb]

1. Lucas

2. Ike

3. Marth

4. Link

5. Mr. Game & Watch

G&W's hard for me to use though, I think it's his animations are what throw me off. I'm trying to learn how to use him better. Kinda like Ryko, I also didn't use Marth in Melee, so I don't notice his nerf or w/e people say.

Uhh, nerf? Game and Watch only got better in this game, the only thing that got nerfed was his neutral air (which became part of his up-B), everything else is great or somehow got better.

I was talking about Marth. People that used him in Melee say he's been nerfed because his sword was shortened. I know G&W got a nice boost, I'm just having a hard time getting used to him because the way he moves is different from my other mains.

[Mrcloudz]

Favorite:
1) Lucario
2) Ike
3) Marth
4) Wolf
5) Luigi

Least favorite (#1 being worst):
1) Jigglypuff
2) Yoshi
3) Bowser
4) Diddy Kong
5) Ganondorf ( )

I'm really happy with how Lucario turned out :D I expected awesome and awesome was what I got!

[Meian]

They haven't nerfed Marth's B moves at all. Shield Breaker is just as good, if not better (only difference is that now it's a thrust not a slash), Sword Dance got a huge boost, Dolphin Slash did as well (doing this out of the shield is even better and it auto sweet spots) and Counter lasts longer and does a bit more damage. If you get sent away far enough you use Shield Breaker fully charged to get back on stage instead of Sword Dance.

The only nerf Marth got was to his range, and they compensated that by making him 2 times faster. Overall he's stronger...not sure why but he is.

Sadly, this is the case. Every Marth player has been doing the overall Jump slash spammage and is becoming far more annoying than Pikachu Thunder or Kirby Rock that can't be grabbed anymore as you run up to it when he changes back.

Hate...
-Marth
-Marth
-Marth
-Ike
See a trend? It's called Super Smash Bros Brawl not Fire Emblem Brawl

I understand the rage, the honestly the last line is weird. I mean, there's Pikachu, Lucario, Jigglypuff and PT in the same game, which is 6 characters vs 2 Fire Emblem characters. Not to mention assist trophies and pokeballs. It's called SSBB right? Not Pokemon. lol

I apologize. I was referring to how most players I see in any tourny, since Melee, has been only using Marth. 80% of the people I have seen are Marth, 10% are just there to enjoy themselves and aren't necessarily good, the last 10% are interesting people who have diversity.

I miss Roy personally... Lyn should've been playable !!!!

[Elcura]

They haven't nerfed Marth's B moves at all. Shield Breaker is just as good, if not better (only difference is that now it's a thrust not a slash), Sword Dance got a huge boost, Dolphin Slash did as well (doing this out of the shield is even better and it auto sweet spots) and Counter lasts longer and does a bit more damage. If you get sent away far enough you use Shield Breaker fully charged to get back on stage instead of Sword Dance.

The only nerf Marth got was to his range, and they compensated that by making him 2 times faster. Overall he's stronger...not sure why but he is.

Sadly, this is the case. Every Marth player has been doing the overall Jump slash spammage and is becoming far more annoying than Pikachu Thunder or Kirby Rock that can't be grabbed anymore as you run up to it when he changes back.

Hate...
-Marth
-Marth
-Marth
-Ike
See a trend? It's called Super Smash Bros Brawl not Fire Emblem Brawl

I understand the rage, the honestly the last line is weird. I mean, there's Pikachu, Lucario, Jigglypuff and PT in the same game, which is 6 characters vs 2 Fire Emblem characters. Not to mention assist trophies and pokeballs. It's called SSBB right? Not Pokemon. lol

I apologize. I was referring to how most players I see in any tourny, since Melee, has been only using Marth. 80% of the people I have seen are Marth, 10% are just there to enjoy themselves and aren't necessarily good, the last 10% are interesting people who have diversity.

I miss Roy personally... Lyn should've been playable !!!!

Ahh, I miss Roy as well lol. I first played him and then Marth and used both evenly when I played Melee. And Melee tourneys were a bit boring, there's only so many Marth vs Fox/C. Falcon/Falco matches you can watch before getting bored. SSBB is better in that I think there's gonna be a lot more diversity overall.

[BRP]

How many people knew who Marthe and Roy were when Melee popped up?

Roy wasn't in a game yet, but Marth was always popular in Japan(which SSB and Japanese developers consider their main audience by tradition). Marth's game was the first RPG Strategy game ever(created the genre), the one of, if not the, first Strategy game on a console, and one of the most important strategy or RPG games of his era. Fire Emblem easily earns two more characters especially since they haven't touch polearm or axe users who are the rock and paper to sword.

Mother gets two characters because it's a new game setting(one villain aside) each time and both are major games on their own without being related(as opposed to Mario or Metriod where you are playing with and against most of the same cast). Fire Emblem too works like this too, cept it has 10 games(the one exception would be 3 which is a remake+more of 1). To claim Metriod had more effect is pretty out there... just because it was released in America doesn't really mean it had more of an effect than Fire Emblem. I don't think it didn't go as far to create a genre(and one that contains favorites Final Fantasy Tactics, Shining Force, and Orge Battle(s)

Anyway, to count game series:

Pokemon does end up having a lot more. I miscounted the Pokemon stadiums and stuff like Pokemon Pinball and Pokemon Box. However if you don't count silly spin-offs and only the Stadiums, Generation games, and Mystery Dungeon/Ranger it's hardly a big advantage over Fire Emblem.

Fire Emblem does dominate most other game series though. One thing to consider is that when you add Mario you represent every single Mario game. Same with Samus, Donkey Kong, and any Pokemon. You can't say the same for most Fire Emblem games with Marth the exception as he's the most popular and iconic protagonist of the series. Ike does represent two games though.

If they were to add Fire Emblem characters it wouldn't really be a sword user. It would be an axe or lance/spear user. You are only telling 1/3rd of the story with just swords. Roy was redundant and in comparison one of the least important/popular characters of Fire Emblem. His father Eliwood was much cool, but maybe even less important... his father friend Hector on the other hand... there's not a single Fire Emblem fan who didn't want him to show up in SSBB as he's basically the most iconic axe user of the series.

[Metah]

Pokemon Snap a silly spinoff?

You best be jokin

[Meian]

How many people knew who Marthe and Roy were when Melee popped up?

Roy wasn't in a game yet, but Marth was always popular in Japan(which SSB and Japanese developers consider their main audience by tradition). Marth's game was the first RPG Strategy game ever(created the genre), the one of, if not the, first Strategy game on a console, and one of the most important strategy or RPG games of his era. Fire Emblem easily earns two more characters especially since they haven't touch polearm or axe users who are the rock and paper to sword.

Mother gets two characters because it's a new game setting(one villain aside) each time and both are major games on their own without being related(as opposed to Mario or Metriod where you are playing with and against most of the same cast). Fire Emblem too works like this too, cept it has 10 games(the one exception would be 3 which is a remake+more of 1). To claim Metriod had more effect is pretty out there... just because it was released in America doesn't really mean it had more of an effect than Fire Emblem. I don't think it didn't go as far to create a genre(and one that contains favorites Final Fantasy Tactics, Shining Force, and Orge Battle(s)

Anyway, to count game series:

Pokemon does end up having a lot more. I miscounted the Pokemon stadiums and stuff like Pokemon Pinball and Pokemon Box. However if you don't count silly spin-offs and only the Stadiums, Generation games, and Mystery Dungeon/Ranger it's hardly a big advantage over Fire Emblem.

Fire Emblem does dominate most other game series though. One thing to consider is that when you add Mario you represent every single Mario game. Same with Samus, Donkey Kong, and any Pokemon. You can't say the same for most Fire Emblem games with Marth the exception as he's the most popular and iconic protagonist of the series. Ike does represent two games though.

If they were to add Fire Emblem characters it wouldn't really be a sword user. It would be an axe or lance/spear user. You are only telling 1/3rd of the story with just swords. Roy was redundant and in comparison one of the least important/popular characters of Fire Emblem. His father Eliwood was much cool, but maybe even less important... his father friend Hector on the other hand... there's not a single Fire Emblem fan who didn't want him to show up in SSBB as he's basically the most iconic axe user of the series.

I wanted Hector also but my assumption for non-sword users was because it would be a bit too "dark" to have such barbaric weapons that isn't the traditional sword. Imagining an axe being swung around on characters did leave me with that impression it would make the game a bit darker (but that may just be me).

And hush, I <3'd Pokémon Snap when it came out it was a nice change. Hell, I remember the day I played it when it first came out XD

[BRP]

Okay Maybe Pokemon Snap gets by! Still, I beat that in 3 hours ;/.

[Maxxthepenguin]

How many people knew who Marthe and Roy were when Melee popped up?

Roy wasn't in a game yet, but Marth was always popular in Japan(which SSB and Japanese developers consider their main audience by tradition). Marth's game was the first RPG Strategy game ever(created the genre), the one of, if not the, first Strategy game on a console, and one of the most important strategy or RPG games of his era. Fire Emblem easily earns two more characters especially since they haven't touch polearm or axe users who are the rock and paper to sword.

Mother gets two characters because it's a new game setting(one villain aside) each time and both are major games on their own without being related(as opposed to Mario or Metriod where you are playing with and against most of the same cast). Fire Emblem too works like this too, cept it has 10 games(the one exception would be 3 which is a remake+more of 1). To claim Metriod had more effect is pretty out there... just because it was released in America doesn't really mean it had more of an effect than Fire Emblem. I don't think it didn't go as far to create a genre(and one that contains favorites Final Fantasy Tactics, Shining Force, and Orge Battle(s)

Anyway, to count game series:

Pokemon does end up having a lot more. I miscounted the Pokemon stadiums and stuff like Pokemon Pinball and Pokemon Box. However if you don't count silly spin-offs and only the Stadiums, Generation games, and Mystery Dungeon/Ranger it's hardly a big advantage over Fire Emblem.

Fire Emblem does dominate most other game series though. One thing to consider is that when you add Mario you represent every single Mario game. Same with Samus, Donkey Kong, and any Pokemon. You can't say the same for most Fire Emblem games with Marth the exception as he's the most popular and iconic protagonist of the series. Ike does represent two games though.

If they were to add Fire Emblem characters it wouldn't really be a sword user. It would be an axe or lance/spear user. You are only telling 1/3rd of the story with just swords. Roy was redundant and in comparison one of the least important/popular characters of Fire Emblem. His father Eliwood was much cool, but maybe even less important... his father friend Hector on the other hand... there's not a single Fire Emblem fan who didn't want him to show up in SSBB as he's basically the most iconic axe user of the series.

To sum up: BRP wants more Fire Emblem and thinks there is some metric to decide the characters. PS: Eliwood was gay as hell.

Fire Emblem wasn't seen anywhere outside of Japan until the 2nd one on GBA. Therefore it was less influential.

And Metroid sure as hell created a genre, look at the Castlevania games from SOTN on. It was the first platformer with non-linear exploration in a continuous world (aka Metroidvanias.)

[BRP]

And Metroid sure as hell created a genre, look at the Castlevania games from SOTN on. It was the first platformer with non-linear exploration in a continuous world (aka Metroidvanias.)

That's an advancement, not a new genre.

[Maxxthepenguin]

And Metroid sure as hell created a genre, look at the Castlevania games from SOTN on. It was the first platformer with non-linear exploration in a continuous world (aka Metroidvanias.)

That's an advancement, not a new genre.

Ok, so then Fire Emblem just 'advanced' the turn based strategy genre.

[Metah]

BRP Vs. Maxx

"The eternal struggle"

[BRP]

And Metroid sure as hell created a genre, look at the Castlevania games from SOTN on. It was the first platformer with non-linear exploration in a continuous world (aka Metroidvanias.)

That's an advancement, not a new genre.

Ok, so then Fire Emblem just 'advanced' the turn based strategy genre.

When you say turn-based strategy you mean what I said by RPG Strategy? If so, then no. It created it.