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[guartz]

You have no idea what the word propaganda means, do you?

Its campaigning; maybe by your broad definition its propaganda but if so the word kind of loses its meaning...

This thread is retarded.

broad definition? You have no idea what propaganda means, do you?

[MisterBob]

You have no idea what the word propaganda means, do you?

Its campaigning; maybe by your broad definition its propaganda but if so the word kind of loses its meaning...

This thread is retarded.

broad definition? You have no idea what propaganda means, do you?

1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4. Roman Catholic Church.
a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
5. Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda.

[evilbau]

You have no idea what the word propaganda means, do you?

Its campaigning; maybe by your broad definition its propaganda but if so the word kind of loses its meaning...

This thread is retarded.

broad definition? You have no idea what propaganda means, do you?

lol yes i do, and misterbob kindly pasted the definition, so using it as defined there is so broad that it can apply to basically all media. Hence 'loses its meaning' when colloquially it is a pejorative.

[guartz]

Just because it applies to most media in U.S doesn't mean the word loses it meaning, it means that most media in U.S is propaganda.

[AkashiXI]

Am I the only person that noticed the tags?D:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...hiXI/Obama.jpg

[evilbau]

Just because it applies to most media in U.S doesn't mean the word loses it meaning, it means that most media in U.S is propaganda.

you have a point, but so do i. i prefer to use words as they are understood by people, not necessarily by their definition. This leads to discussion of the relevant points rather than pointless arguments over semantics. You use the word as if you have the textbook definition lying in wait, ready to call people out with repeated cries of "You have no idea what propaganda means, do you?" No need to be such a troll.

[Correction]

Ha ha ha another unprovable conspiracy theory lolguartz

Honestly now...'most media outlets?'

[Howard Roark]

Ha ha ha another unprovable conspiracy theory lolguartz

Honestly now...'most media outlets?'

oh my

[evilbau]

Just because it applies to most media in U.S doesn't mean the word loses it meaning, it means that most media in U.S is propaganda.

also want to point out that this doesn't even address what i said. When I said all media, i mean spoken (speeches, radio), written (press releases, books), video (tv, movies), internet (all the above and then some). And it applies to most media everywhere, not just the U.S. All the above usually seeks to spread information or further an idea, which to me is too broad a definition to have much meaning.

[sunb1ind]

You guys are really trying too hard with the conspiracy theory bullshit. Do you ever watch anything OTHER than CNN/MSM/FOX? lol I swear to god everytime I hear that phrase, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. Could you atleast try to use a more creative cop-out phrase instead sometime? Thanks.

As for the video, yeah.. if you don't atleast agree that this video is PROPAGANDA, then you're further justifying the "blind faith" labeling of Obama's voters. I don't see how you can argue about the definition itself. You sound like another politician trying to change the English language to get out of a rut.

Your opinions don't even match those who are actual Obama voters. Everywhere I've seen this video posted, Obama supporters have agreed that this video is a disgrace and can only hurt his campaign. But no, lets not criticize our modern-day MLK who will change America as we know it. Blasphemous! Shut your mouth!

I thought it was only campaign literature if it was paid for by the campaign itself?

This is just an irritating music video made by a very egotistical 'musician.'

Do you really think these BEP video's are not being co-produced? How naive.

[Tajin]

Or maybe, why is a candidate for the U.S. presidency targeting a video towards the international community? Seriously what the fuck...

Obama's campaign didn't make this... and it's been out for weeks took long enough to get here!

So Obama's cronies didn't make this, makes it even worse everyone speaking in the video is a cheap whore. :/

[Beckwin]

Do you really think these BEP video's are not being co-produced? How naive.

Oh, they're being co-produced alright.......
















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[Maxxthepenguin]

Or maybe, why is a candidate for the U.S. presidency targeting a video towards the international community? Seriously what the fuck...

Obama's campaign didn't make this... and it's been out for weeks took long enough to get here!

So Obama's cronies didn't make this, makes it even worse everyone speaking in the video is a cheap whore. :/

So people actually wanting to promote something themselves makes it even worse?

[Charla]

They're obviously selling out for 20 cents. (how come keyboards don't have a cent sign anyway...)

[Beckwin]

But seriously, here's what I found on the "yes we can" one:

After watching Barack Obama's New Hampshire primary concession speech on Jan. 8, Will.i.am, lead singer of the Black Eyed Peas, and producer Jesse Dylan, eldest son of Bob Dylan, decided to produce a pro-Obama music video titled "Yes We Can." The video features John Legend, Scarlett Johansson, Herbie Hancock, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and many other celebrities. Will.i.am writes in his blog (below) that recording the four-minute video (posted at www.yeswecansong.com) took about 48 hours. On Feb. 2, somebody posted the video on youtube.com, where it has already garnered millions of hits.

Will.i.am and Dylan assured ABC News that they did not give the Obama campaign any advance notice of their project. After it surfaced, the video was posted on the Obama08 campaign Web site and e-mailed to Moveon.org contributors (Page 2). The candidate's wife, Michelle, forwarded "Yes We Can" to Obama supporters (Page 3) just in time for the February 5th primaries and caucuses in 22 states.

But if you can find me anything about the Obama campaign directly telling will.i.am what to do and say, be my guest.

oh, and from Yahoo:

the Obama campaign had no role in this video

Now see, the problem with the word "propaganda" is it generally carries a really negative connotation. If you want to use it for this, you have to use it for basically every kind of political advertising by every politician, first party or third. This is why I pointed out the campaign ads of guartz's boy RAWNPAWL- same shit different politician. Along the lines of what evilbau has said, we either go by the broadest definition in which the word carries little meaning (but of course still can be used in negative insinuations) or we reserve it's use acutely and accurately in terms of popular understanding/connotation.

[Tajin]

So people actually wanting to promote something themselves makes it even worse?

Well, it has a political meaning despite being an "indie" production. Now I don't have a problem with U.S. citizens speaking in whatever indie production with presidential elections theme.

But when a damn mexican (she still only mexican as far as I know, otherwise I retract my statements) does it, it just looks bad :/

[Maxxthepenguin]

As far as the word propaganda, my issue is the massively negative connotation. The literal definition is not so bad but is very broad, however using it implies very bad things, so use it carefully.

You also could have linked a video of the ad without the title it had and without the tags such as brainwashing. But you didn't. You made a choice to link this specific video.

So people actually wanting to promote something themselves makes it even worse?

Well, it has a political meaning despite being an "indie" production. Now I don't have a problem with U.S. citizens speaking in whatever indie production with presidential elections theme.

But when a damn mexican (she still only mexican as far as I know, otherwise I retract my statements) does it, it just looks bad :/

Our country is not in a vacuum, people from other countries (particularly Mexico) are affected greatly by our decisions. I don't see why their opinions shouldn't be listened to and why they shouldn't be able to show who they support. In the end they can't vote, and that is right too. But being mad at them for existing and saying what they think is fucking strange.

[sunb1ind]

They're obviously selling out for 20 cents. (how come keyboards don't have a cent sign anyway...)

Lol BEP sold out a lonnnnnnng time ago, try 2002 or 2003. These guys are pro's at it by now.

But seriously, here's what I found on the "yes we can" one:

After watching Barack Obama's New Hampshire primary concession speech on Jan. 8, Will.i.am, lead singer of the Black Eyed Peas, and producer Jesse Dylan, eldest son of Bob Dylan, decided to produce a pro-Obama music video titled "Yes We Can." The video features John Legend, Scarlett Johansson, Herbie Hancock, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and many other celebrities. Will.i.am writes in his blog (below) that recording the four-minute video (posted at www.yeswecansong.com) took about 48 hours. On Feb. 2, somebody posted the video on youtube.com, where it has already garnered millions of hits.

Will.i.am and Dylan assured ABC News that they did not give the Obama campaign any advance notice of their project. After it surfaced, the video was posted on the Obama08 campaign Web site and e-mailed to Moveon.org contributors (Page 2). The candidate's wife, Michelle, forwarded "Yes We Can" to Obama supporters (Page 3) just in time for the February 5th primaries and caucuses in 22 states.

But if you can find me anything about the Obama campaign directly telling will.i.am what to do and say, be my guest.

Here's a hint: maybe they're lying?

Will is not dumb, he knows wtf he's doing and who to make friends with. This campaign shit is about as sickening as Jay-Z's plan to privatize African water supply. These are businessmen, not today's version of John Lennon.

[Beckwin]

God, do you fucking know why everyone throws "conspiracy theorist" at you every damn time you post?

It's because you make up shit without having any support for it whatsoever (they must be lying! the government/<corporation>/<organization> is repressing the truth from coming out! you guys think you know, but you don't. seriously do you guys just watch and read credible news sources? in the real world you'd know what I know). At the very least you could humor us with some bullshit link where some nutjob claims will.i.am is related to Obama or secretly moonlights on the campaign staff.

fuck.

[Kuya]

They're obviously selling out for 20 cents. (how come keyboards don't have a cent sign anyway...)

Lol BEP sold out a lonnnnnnng time ago, try 2002 or 2003. These guys are pro's at it by now.

But seriously, here's what I found on the "yes we can" one:

After watching Barack Obama's New Hampshire primary concession speech on Jan. 8, Will.i.am, lead singer of the Black Eyed Peas, and producer Jesse Dylan, eldest son of Bob Dylan, decided to produce a pro-Obama music video titled "Yes We Can." The video features John Legend, Scarlett Johansson, Herbie Hancock, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and many other celebrities. Will.i.am writes in his blog (below) that recording the four-minute video (posted at www.yeswecansong.com) took about 48 hours. On Feb. 2, somebody posted the video on youtube.com, where it has already garnered millions of hits.

Will.i.am and Dylan assured ABC News that they did not give the Obama campaign any advance notice of their project. After it surfaced, the video was posted on the Obama08 campaign Web site and e-mailed to Moveon.org contributors (Page 2). The candidate's wife, Michelle, forwarded "Yes We Can" to Obama supporters (Page 3) just in time for the February 5th primaries and caucuses in 22 states.

But if you can find me anything about the Obama campaign directly telling will.i.am what to do and say, be my guest.

Here's a hint: maybe they're lying?

Will is not dumb, he knows wtf he's doing and who to make friends with. This campaign shit is about as sickening as Jay-Z's plan to privatize African water supply. These are businessmen, not today's version of John Lennon.

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