What do you think?

[evilpaul]

Some stuff looks quite nice, but I'm disappointed with the update as a whole...
- There's no new missions as far as I can tell. I'd kind of like to know what the fuck that comet thing is, why the cavernous maws appeared, what a certain Regal Feline is up to, etc. Looks like I'll have to wait 7 months after the expansion's release to have more than a tiny amount of story.
- I haven't been doing Campaign heavily since the update, but it doesn't seem different at all. I still haven't see any of these new features they were talking about.
- Davoi [S] (whatever it's called) was like the original only with higher level Orcs and no Cave area. Hopefully the others are more interesting.
- Scholar main looks quite good, but the lack of defensive spells and no Gravity limits its usefulness as a BLM sub. It's quite nice as a SMN sub though (with Sublimation and E.Siphon I can leave the Spirit matching the game day out nearly an hour).
- /DNC Waltz nerf was retarded.

A bunch of the new gear looks decent though and most of the JAs/spells are nice to have even if they are less than spectacular. That Ecphoria Ring looks like it'll have me stuck at 99TP less often. Poison Refresh Cape and the MAB+5 hands for Scholar look pretty hot too.

[ronin sparthos]

- There's no new missions as far as I can tell. I'd kind of like to know what the fuck that comet thing is, why the cavernous maws appeared, what a certain Regal Feline is up to, etc. Looks like I'll have to wait 7 months after the expansion's release to have more than a tiny amount of story.

It just feels unlike the CoP team to have these open-ended missions... being able to see all aspects of the nations affairs in the story is great but where is the BCNMs that stump the playerbase for at least a week? That kinda stuff helps to make the content feel more filling, though it seems they have taken the ToAU road of cutscenes > bcnms way of doing things.

[Kerberoz]

If you're a SCH you loved the update.
If you're a BLM you now want to mpk/warp3 every SCH you see.
If you're a WHM you now want to let the SCH die so you can R1 them (oops they got rr2 lolz).

[Aerin]

I'm not able to play much anymore, but I was looking forward to the beastmen stronghold campaigns. So after months of waiting for that epic update and logging on only once a month or so I took these steps...

1) Logged on

2) Ran to Beadeaux, Campaign was on just before I got there.

3) Waited 15 minutes.

4) Logged off.

From what I'm hearing from others it doesn't sound like I'll be back on anytime soon.

[Demosthenes11]

Wings of the Suck

winner...
winner...
chicken fucking dinner...

[Lordwafik]

If you're a SCH you loved the update.
If you're a BLM you now want to mpk/warp3 every SCH you see.
If you're a WHM you now want to let the SCH die so you can R1 them (oops they got rr2 lolz).

Somone's threatened OoooooooooooooOoooooooooooooohhhh!


It's not that bad though, SCH helps blm if anything, while not wasting the slot they're taking instead of another BLM - that was a big reason why sch wasn't too popular " Why inv a sch for weather when I can add another blm?"

[ronin sparthos]

I think im one of the dwindling minority that remembers patches that added missions that held you over a majority of the 3month gaps because of the difficulty level being so tough that many people bitched, whined and moaned about the difficulties of organizing groups/completing it.

There were 2things that made the CoP team:
1. Creating difficult/frustrating story content that usually rewards/rewarded.
2. Utilizing pop NMs well (via crafted items or farming mobs for an item)

Why wuss out on half of the the formula that made your team 'special' in a half-ass attempt to appear like the ToAU team? Id have preferred the hardcore balls to the wall feeling that CoP slugged many people with years ago. It'd be good due to the fact that the playerbase has matured and grown, so give them a new challenge on par with what CoP at base once was. It was one of the few things this dev team was excellent with, why not flex the muscle.

Pop NMs rock though, the concept is far better than anything else FFXI has tried to employ (FUCK lottery spawns... seriously.) and should be the way of the future for many sources of items in the game. (along with R/EX tags) Farming base materials and/or pop items is far superior to sitting and waiting for crude timers and is something that CoP made famous with the ouryu/bahamut instances along with rostrums, galliards, reverend mail etc.

[Sesshoumaru]

Note to SE please ninja in an update we won't mind.
So who do you think will get nerfed 4 months from now? I see Bst getting hit with the nerf bat, you know cus why not kick a bst while its down.
I think I'm going to write a really angry letter to SE then burn it just to get some of the frustration out.

Also why not give sch r3? I mean yay for r2 but r3 rly wouldn't be breaking anyone's back its not like whms will be ousted if sch got r3, but it would sure help spread the r3 luv when u have a mass wipe etc.
Well heres to an update that only missed the point by %70. Based off this learning curve I foresee Bst being the next Drk in 2025, however by that time all NMs will have physical resistance and gain HP from melee attacks. But hey HOW ABOUT THOSE EMPEROR BANDS!!!!!!! total win no! liek super awsome!!!!!!

[6souls]

if anything i'm enjoying this update purely for campaign. since the update my exp/lp earned has doubled even though i have not gone up or down in rank. i'm loving it.

[Sesshoumaru]

Campaign is such a non issue its not even funny, but if you base your enjoyment off of it good for you. Now if only SE realized campaing is not the end all / be all of wotg and got goign wit you know... the storyline, and better gear(not just new BETTER). For those jobs who feel fine with the gear they have thats cool, but theres plenty of jobs out there who would like better alternatives to what is currently available. Hell buff nin tier 3 ninjutsu cus Nin/mage was fun! SE really should stop with this lame ass shit they trying to forced feed us.

[Noob]

Since a few days have gone by I was wondering what everyone thinks about the update thus far.

Lots of win when it comes to the buffs SCH got. Retaliation is meh. The battle music hitting those not engaged sucked in my opinion. The Haste recap was alot of hard fail. I'm glad RC got the nerf bat but Apoc and BZ owners shouldn't have been effected by this. MKris being better for zerg then Apoc is stupid. The Campaign changes so far seem to suck pretty bad between pets getting aggro and campaign mobs being buffed into ridiculousness. Opening the beastmen strongholds was good though. Having to wait 10 minutes after zoning into the mog to open the mog house option is the most annoying thing out of this update for me. It really needs to be fixed. The cure locking fix barely helps. SE needs to remove it completely.

Their needs to be a few fixes.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention Retrace, Recall, and most of all Sneak Ninjutsu. All of these were great outcomes of the update.

[Drona]

Underwhelming update to a mediocre product. We will never see an interesting and challenging set of missions again because of lazy ass players. The missions after CoP should have been more challenging not less so. It seems that the best content for gear is and always will be Zilart and best story and mission content will be CoP.

FFXI is still fun to do with friends but as a game it really needs some excitement added. SE is just too conservative about changing things.

[Noob]

Also why not give sch r3? I mean yay for r2 but r3 rly wouldn't be breaking anyone's back its not like whms will be ousted if sch got r3, but it would sure help spread the r3 luv when u have a mass wipe etc.

No. Just no. It's good having a few things left in the job to be desired over other jobs.
SCH just got buffed to kingdom come. Giving it R3 is as stupid as it was making Thief's Knife a 100% drop from a popped NM. Some things should just be left the fuck alone. FFXI use to have so much more substance before things were made easy. Accomplishments meant so much more then they do today when you finally met them. You didn't have as many idiots in the endgame scene as you do today. Completing CoP meant so much more.

I'd give up alot to have the old FFXI back :ashira:

[Keria]

Any one have those lyrics for the spongebob(Fafnir/nidhog) song? < much more important then element of wyrms!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
Who lives in an Aery inside of a tree?
FAFNIR / NIDHOGG!
All breathy and wingy and flaily is he!
FAFNIR / NIDHOGG!
If E bodies and Ridills be something you wish
FAFNIR / NIDHOGG!
Then jump down off the ledge and spam like a bitch!
FAFNIR / NIDHOGG! FAFNIR / NIDHOGG! FAFNIR / NIDHOOOOOOOOOOGG!

anyway~ I think the new update is nice for some jobs but I was expecting more tbh Q_Q

[Kaludneisucks]

Good work from what i've heard / seen, which isnt really all that much.
Some words of comfort:
SCH will /b/ a BLM
SCH will never /b/ a WHM

But they did get lots stronger and good for them, still gunna have to be amazing to get into main ally ^^.

[Cantih]

:bagel: Gentlemen. My thought on the update is: Average
It has some win, and some fail.

The good:
* Job alterations - 15 of the 20 jobs got something this update. FAR better than usual.
* Casual Updates - Choco Races, Fellows, Pankration, /dance. Things for the non-hardcore, they deserve some love.
* Mechanics Fixes - Cure lock, Ally mob color, Music, Settings data.
* Campaign boost - It was starting to get a bit boring. Also, the new status messages, good idea.


The bad:
* Job alterations and lack there of. - DRK: PLD, RDM, MNK (seriously, if nothing else, can we at least give MNK it's JSE set already? RNG too, so each of the old 15 have one.): SMN NEW. AVATAR
Really, it took 4 months, I assume the last 2 mainly involved testing and balancing all the job adjustments. You may as well have gone full stop and done all the jobs this update.

* Endgame gear - There are several sets of endgame gear. Gods/Homam/Nashira, Abjuration, Assault, Nyzule, and Salvage. EVERY job, should have access to at least ONE set from each category. Get off the fence and assign PUP, DNC, and SCH their shit already.

* Rank ups - Campaign update, but not this? WTH!?

* Campaign Data - What use is knowing where a squad is being deployed if there is no battle there too? Still too much delay with the /cmap info. Also, some warning on where the new belfry, etc. is, or is coming from would be nice. You know, each map has a 2nd page of markers we can't set. You could, USE them, maybe?
Also, I'm tired of waiting for mobs to show up, that a bunch of people ran way out to meet, and have no idea which way to go.

* Ops - Outposts all over again. Not having access to all ops allowed me isn't anything other than ANNOYING. My server hasn't seen any intel ops available in months, that's just bad design. I want to know if those responsible for lottery & 24 hour NMs are responsible for this shit too.


* Zones - Only three? Come on! Give us Jeuno or Tavnazia (<- EVERYONE wants to see it, it was in your CGI intro we started the game with for chrissakes, almost every storyline ties into it!)
And some more new areas would be nice, or alternately, adding Vunk, Graub, and FKN to the present. Both would be best. :nikkei:

* Missions - Now, because you did the wonderful thing of not locking in the "missions" to each nation, I'll be kind enough to call this 6 missions in the update. That is still sadly low however. MORE STORYLINE. Especially non-nation stuff. OMG Cait Sith, we hasn't seen him.

[Tomiko]

:bagel: Gentlemen. My thought on the update is: Average
It has some win, and some fail.

The bad:
* Endgame gear - There are several sets of endgame gear. Gods/Homam/Nashira, Abjuration, Assault, Nyzule, and Salvage. EVERY job, should have access to at least ONE set from each category. Get off the fence and assign PUP, DNC, and SCH their shit already.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. But in the meantime I'll be happy with my Dnc AF. :nikkei:

[evilpaul]

I was pretty sure they were trying to make it so new people with only one of those jobs leveled aren't dependent on several year old content to gear up their chars. (You know, all five of those people. ) Kind of like what they did by adding Salvage gear and Einherjar abjs.

[Duwie]

The new SC dmg buff is so crazy, i love it.

<--amano sam.

[evilpaul]

I think I'm going to level SCH so I never have to come BLM to events again. :D