What do you think?

[Callisto]

I don't know, maybe the ability to land our enfeebles on everything that matters? You know- Shijin, Jailers, ToAU world spawns. Nothing like full enfeebling merits with millions of gil and years spent getting some of the best gear possible only to have most of your spells resist.

I couldn't ask for anything more than that, it's incredibly frustrating spending so much effort into crafting the best Enfeebling set you can muster, dumping in tons of merits into it, only to have it at the point where you're actually saying "Holy shit, I landed Slow on Khim!!" Nothing in the game is as useless as Enfeebling skill in some instances, I have never seen a BLM with 315+ skill get the same kind of resists on their nukes that a RDM with the same Enfeebling will see against the exact same mob.

[Spider-Dan]

There were 2things that made the CoP team:
1. Creating difficult/frustrating story content that usually rewards/rewarded.

CoP has dick for rewards almost all the way up. The first respectable CoP reward was after you beat 8-1 and get Tavnazian Ring.

So from a historical perspective, the CoP team is, once again, right on track.

I'm getting ready to write off this expansion entirely and just wait for the RoZ/TAU team to step back up to the plate.

[Spider-Dan]

So by the same logic, why invite another BLM when I can invite another SCH?

Because Thunderstorm doesn't stack with itself?

[Spider-Dan]

Also, how about the effects of Slow II and Paralyze II being slightly more inline with the costs? Slow II is three times the MP of Slow, but only marginally (6% or so) better. How about Slow II being 50% slow like Carnage Elegy? Crazy talk!

Crazy talk indeed, since Squenix has already demonstrated that Elegy + Earth Shot was "a little too good" and removed it.

50% Slow II + 50% Elegy = GG anything that doesn't hard resist both

[SeraphusRagnarok]

CoP has dick for rewards almost all the way up. The first respectable CoP reward was after you beat 8-1 and get Tavnazian Ring.

Are we talking about missions? Because um the core pack didn't have any reward for beating Shadow Lord except like 20k gil(and he was hard back then, try running from East Ronfaure to Throne Room with a party of 50s. And there was no sneak/invis/tele vazhl back then.)

RoZ didn't have any reward at all for completing the missions. So far only TOAU and COP gave a piece of gear for finishing the storyline.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I haven't fully explored the patch so I can't comment

I'm guessing neither have you

[ronin sparthos]

[quote=Spider-Dan]

There were 2things that made the CoP team:
1. Creating difficult/frustrating story content that usually rewards/rewarded.

CoP has dick for rewards almost all the way up. The first respectable CoP reward was after you beat 8-1 and get Tavnazian Ring.

So from a historical perspective, the CoP team is, once again, right on track.

I'm getting ready to write off this expansion entirely and just wait for the RoZ/TAU team to step back up to the plate.[/quote:17f778jg]

True, but i considered the zone unlocks 'rewards' since it was rare back then for people to have access.

Well what saved CoP - at least for me was that it engaged the player at a low level to start out and presented a direct challenge with objectives and goals (neat story as well) You entered promyvion, you took a group up the floors of hell and it was exciting (yes, wiping is fail but at least it was fun) kicking the bosses ass... or getting your ass kicked in the process. Something along those lines in this age where everyone thinks they are 'decked' would have been a nice humbling process along with a challenge... something severly lacking lately.

The CoP team does some things right (pop NMs mainly) but it feels they are trying to act like the Zilart team in easybuttoning everything this time. If WoTG had started off with a dungeon raid of sorts then allowed you to ease into the regular content (the peaceful content) things would have been better. So far though everything seems sloppy besides the 2 new jobs and campaign.

[Sesshoumaru]

I pay my fees because I like to be the guy on that earthlink commercial tossing his money into the garbage.

I don't know if it is worth it to stick around paying fees hoping that some time in june SE might wake the fuck up and stop dicking around.

SE get the cop team, put the dude responsible for sch changes in charge of them, and get to work. I want the real update next month. kthnx.

Come May unless it is postponed I see no reason for not jumping this sinking ship and trying out Age of Conan. No playstation anchor a mature rating and it is a non japan based company. those 3 = win right there!

I'm tired of hearing the excuses from SE, and even more tired of the fanboys/girls(if they truly do exist) always jumping at the chance to defend the mess that is the current SE. When some one says to you that your paying a lot for shitty service and a now medicore at best game then you turn around and say I pay for the game as it is thats just dumb.

The game as is when it came out was pretty fuckign awsome. However it is no longer that time and SE has turned into a lazy ass company who has missed more then hit on most everything that they have done. Yay for the minority who got some useful shit, which in reality they should of got long ago. How quickly Sams forget the awsomeness they were with the 2handed update before the nerf. Smns have always been in the duldrums and now they get a little bit of love and they are oh so happy. Sch should have been this way since they were implemented. SE is getting extra credit for doing shit they should have done anyways.

That is the cruxed of the matter SE fucks up/ doesn't do what they should have, They then later release some minor content. Then the fanboys come out and go on about how SE deserves to have their collective boots licked.

This update was an insult. I'd like to see you go out to eat at Peter Luger, or some other high rated steak house, order the most expsensive steak and then be happy when the waiter brings you a non seasoned boiled chicken breast, which he calls fillet mingnon.

SE charges the same as other MMOs and does not come close to matching what those other MMOs out there offer. It is simply sad, and the fact that people will defend them is even worst.

let the flaming begin, I don't really care. Do your worst Fanboys and girl(singular).

[ronin sparthos]

I think everyone will agrree that what makes 'FFXI' good is the social networking that keeps people playing even after all interest in the game is gone. You wanna log in to chat to people, check out whos botting, who flew out where and had sex with who, reading about endless kings drama etc etc.

FFXI's saving grace is that it's like High School Online, thats the main draw-in factor. Everyone knows the content at times can be shot to hell, but the drama keeps people coming back.

[AoshiZ]

I pay my fees because I like to be the guy on that earthlink commercial tossing his money into the garbage.

I don't know if it is worth it to stick around paying fees hoping that some time in june SE might wake the fuck up and stop dicking around.

SE get the cop team, put the dude responsible for sch changes in charge of them, and get to work. I want the real update next month. kthnx.

Come May unless it is postponed I see no reason for not jumping this sinking ship and trying out Age of Conan. No playstation anchor a mature rating and it is a non japan based company. those 3 = win right there!

I'm tired of hearing the excuses from SE, and even more tired of the fanboys/girls(if they truly do exist) always jumping at the chance to defend the mess that is the current SE. When some one says to you that your paying a lot for shitty service and a now medicore at best game then you turn around and say I pay for the game as it is thats just dumb.

The game as is when it came out was pretty fuckign awsome. However it is no longer that time and SE has turned into a lazy ass company who has missed more then hit on most everything that they have done. Yay for the minority who got some useful shit, which in reality they should of got long ago. How quickly Sams forget the awsomeness they were with the 2handed update before the nerf. Smns have always been in the duldrums and now they get a little bit of love and they are oh so happy. Sch should have been this way since they were implemented. SE is getting extra credit for doing shit they should have done anyways.

That is the cruxed of the matter SE fucks up/ doesn't do what they should have, They then later release some minor content. Then the fanboys come out and go on about how SE deserves to have their collective boots licked.

This update was an insult. I'd like to see you go out to eat at Peter Luger, or some other high rated steak house, order the most expsensive steak and then be happy when the waiter brings you a non seasoned boiled chicken breast, which he calls fillet mingnon.

SE charges the same as other MMOs and does not come close to matching what those other MMOs out there offer. It is simply sad, and the fact that people will defend them is even worst.

let the flaming begin, I don't really care. Do your worst Fanboys and girl(singular).

Wow you really seem unhappy... I think you should quit... seriously. If you don't like it so much, why are you spending so much energy complaining about it? Do you want other people to leave with you?

I've played UO and Everquest and I'd much rather play FFXI. I've watched people play WoW on the sidelines and... well... I'd much rather play FFXI. Although I do like taking a quick break to play other non MMO's, I can't think of another MMO that I'd rather play than FFXI atm. Lineage sounds kool with the PVP since one of my best friends played that as i watched. Also, would you rather have expansions at the rate that blizzard makes them?

But seriously if this MMO can't compare to others, then why don't you go play one of those?

I've played FFXI since NA release. This last update is about the same in size as any other update I've seen. COP and TOA had very little when they started as well. WOTG is in my opinion starting off a bit slow, but i wouldn't mind putting that on the back burner for same changes to RDM and MNK.

I would like a bit more story though. but the update was pretty decent

[kayn]

I think everyone will agrree that what makes 'FFXI' good is the social networking that keeps people playing even after all interest in the game is gone. You wanna log in to chat to people, check out whos botting, who flew out where and had sex with who, reading about endless kings drama etc etc.

FFXI's saving grace is that it's like High School Online, thats the main draw-in factor. Everyone knows the content at times can be shot to hell, but the drama keeps people coming back.

but now they ban you for all the cool drama ; ;

[ronin sparthos]

Drama/Friends makes the game go 'round, regardless of whatever SE says about 'teamwork'.

Teamwork died when 'balanced' parties broke into 'team manaburn' and 'team meleeburn' years ago.

[Bakthi]

I was pretty sure they were trying to make it so new people with only one of those jobs leveled aren't dependent on several year old content to gear up their chars. (You know, all five of those people. ) Kind of like what they did by adding Salvage gear and Einherjar abjs.

Salvage is slightly less than a year older than DNC and SCH, so I hope that's not the reason SE has (thus far) excluded these jobs from all Salvage sets.

[Builttolast]

I'm disappointed because every update I try to find a reason for playing monk. Outside of Merit and dynamis and perhaps campaign I'm having a difficult time finding my niche. I don't want to play other jobs but that shouldn't mean I have to sit on the sidelines at every LS event. SE seem too busy making SAM overpowered at everything and make no concessions for those who are losing interest in the lack of options for the job(s) they actually enjoy playing.

SAM didn't need this last gift by any stretch of the imagination. It seems that SAM is the new RNG of yesteryear. I can only pray that SE nerfs them back to reality sometime soon.

SCH got what they needed and I hope they enjoy it.

[Guitarman]

Once again i'm let down. Not enough gear that's actually worthwhile. Rotz abj and whatnot still reign supreme after all these years. I'm annoyed DRK got bitchslapped yet again, whether the haste cap was because of us or we were just caught in the middle. Absorb-ACC is stupid. Any DRK worth his/her salt is already at the accuracy cap, and from what i'm hearing about tests it's doing very very little to lower a mob's accuracy.

Glad for scholars, they're a really great job to have around now. Guy in my ls is 75SCH and it's really nice. Campaign changes were trash. I don't see why they couldn't have left the mobs/npc as they were and just increased the number of mobs and/or just added the belfrys or whatnot to make it more challenging instead of screwing with it to much. I did campaign as an easy way to kick back and solo a few merits, not worrying about getting my face bitten off and dying every single battle.

[Aerin]

Ya this update just added stuff that should have been at launch of the expansion (with the exception of the beastmen strongholds, I agree on that point). But even those are pretty meh. I really hope that the next update doesn't just add missions that are "Hey you can complete these in 2-3 hours and then wait 3-4 more months for the next 2-3 hour addition!"

[Gergall]

I'm annoyed DRK got bitchslapped yet again, whether the haste cap was because of us or we were just caught in the middle.

Make no mistake that DRK is the only job that can hit the 80% haste cap. Without Desperate Blows, other jobs are limited to about 78%. You were targeted, not "caught in the middle".

[wintersquall]

needs moar MNKs crying about a SAM ability that does nothing other than enable SC/Bursts.

it's a weaker than normal WS once every 5 minutes ffs, with TP we've already gained. get over it.



personally, i'm furious there were NO real missions introduced after making us buy a new expansion pack and then waiting 4-5 months for an update.

[Xno Kappa]

needs moar MNKs crying about a SAM ability that does nothing other than enable SC/Bursts.

it's a weaker than normal WS once every 5 minutes ffs, with TP we've already gained. get over it.



personally, i'm furious there were NO real missions introduced after making us buy a new expansion pack and then waiting 4-5 months for an update.

No ones bitching about the ability itself, its the fact that it was so ridiculously unnecessary for it to be added to SAM's while other jobs haven't gotten shit in years. If some SAM's can't fucking admit SE licks their balls with every drip of spit they swallow then I can't wait till the fanboyism gets shot dead, a la RNG.

Seriously, the argument sounds no different now then it was years ago;
- "lulz we getz teh extra dmg cuz we pay f0r teh arrozz!"
- "lulz we getz teh extra dmg cuz we has 2 startz teh SC!"

[ronin sparthos]

needs moar MNKs crying about a SAM ability that does nothing other than enable SC/Bursts.

it's a weaker than normal WS once every 5 minutes ffs, with TP we've already gained. get over it.



personally, i'm furious there were NO real missions introduced after making us buy a new expansion pack and then waiting 4-5 months for an update.

No ones bitching about the ability itself, its the fact that it was so ridiculously unnecessary for it to be added to SAM's while other jobs haven't gotten shit in years. If some SAM's can't fucking admit SE licks their balls with every drip of spit they swallow then I can't wait till the fanboyism gets shot dead, a la RNG.

Seriously, the argument sounds no different now then it was years ago;
- "lulz we getz teh extra dmg cuz we pay f0r teh arrozz!"
- "lulz we getz teh extra dmg cuz we has 2 startz teh SC!"

Issue is SAM is getting boosted every update while SE takes a steamy shit on alot of the jobs that need it. Ever since the 2h buff, sam has been enjoying some very fucking awesome patches... i dont want them making the job too strong because that promoted the bandwagon mentality and knowing SE they will start backpeddling with the job when they realize its too strong. Hasso/Seigan/Overwhelm/Shikikoyo and 2H buff made sam a good job with no JAs that was already effective into a powerhouse, i guess SE wasnt smart enough to see that nothing else was needed.