What do you think?

[shukuffxi]

The most fail update to date, if you're not a SCH, which I assume many of us are busy XPing. Some small city quests, no missions, the jobs that still need work/adjusting/whatever you want to call it still need it. I'm floored at the amount of work they put into Campaign that would be better used ANYWHERE else. Campaign gets new NPCs, with new gear, brand new WS, why couldn't they have put even 10% of the work they put into Campaign into actually updating the game? And where are some new HNM? Things like Retrace/Recall spells/NIN Sneak should not be touted as special, amazing updates that we should need 4 months of looking forward to, basic stuff like this should be expected with the sheer amount of areas/traveling around being done, and in the case of Monomi, something insanely long overdue.

I've long given up on SE doing anything with kings. It would however be nice to see some nice new major kick ass HNM, or a new endgame area, or a new event, or some actual storyline progression (seriously, the progression we got with this update was probably even quicker to go through than ToAU mission updates...) The heavy focus on Campaign, which, yeah, it's nice to screw around in, but that's it. I think SE thought "Wow people like Besieged. Let's make our next expansion be non stop Besieged, everyone will love that!"

I really hope someone eventually hammers home the idea into SE that they should have their own forums of some kind, or direct contact with the player base, some kind of interaction beyond "We have someone who's job it is to read the forums part of each day".

Things that I am personally interested in seeing would be:

- AF1+1 / AF2 for ToAU jobs.
- SE actually finding a way to communicate with it's player base on a regular basis, both NA and JP alike.
- New event/endgame area, along the lines of Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Assault/Sky/Sea.
- Story progression, involving at least some semi-challenging/difficult BCs.
- Fixes to jobs that still need things. Could go into a lot here, but it'd just derail.
- New HNM / Schedule-able fights like Ouryu/Bahamut v2.
- New gear that isn't situational, a sidegrade, or a cheese sandwich. JSEs for MNK, RNG, BLU, COR, PUP, etc.
- Assigning Scholar to Nashira and DNC to Homam, at least, and hopefully a Salvage set.
- A good solution to merit camp overcrowding issues.
- Einherjar changes: At least changing it from the key item system it has now, to maybe a Limbus style chip system.
- Fixing major faults with out of date systems: Dynamis/Limbus being one group at a time, 15 minute repops on ??? for Pop-NMs, etc.
- And because i'm a lolSMN, more avatars before 2010.

Covering any 3-4 of those things in an update would make it worth the long waits. Seeing updates to Pankration, the Chocobo Circuit, Fish Ranking, new types of Sushi that no one use because it's inferior to Sole Sushi, more major Campaign overhauls, just makes it seem like SE is more and more out of touch with what it's players actually care about.

[Valandra]

.. did anyone notice on the first page someone was talking about boosting their enhancing skill with earthen ward? it made me cry...

and WoTG I"ve only done dabbles on one character and haven't even bothered on the other.

Just a quick side note, they said they cap their enhancing exp with Earthen Ward. I was doing that like mad the other day in the Ronfaure, and was having a gigglefest with another SMN buffing everyone and everything.

[Kyreth]

So far, it's pointing towards a trend ToAU started. Fewer HNM's, more one-party content.

I don't think we're going to ever see gear that's Fafhogg's level again be as easy to get as "stare at darters, kill loldragon, get dorps, repeat". ToAU level stuff (which is nice, but no Ridill/Haidate/insert gawdly Zilart/CoP drop here), sure. Some stuff that should show in WoTG hasn't yet, except for cutscenes. Tzee Xicu, for example. We know the present era NM's got mad buffs in WoTG in many cases- will this mean the beastmen kings end up the HNM's for this expansion?

Love them or hate them, this update will be known as "the birth of the Scholar". That was the big event. It's also the event that populated the expansion with, y'know...NM's? With drops? Put adman ingots in as a quest drop to keep high end smiths from tearing out their hair? Added what possibly are some of the best AF sets in the game?

People bitching seem to have expected the second coming of Zilart. Did ToAU not teach you? HNM-level (OMG HUEG GROUP FIGHTS) stuff goes in last priority-wise. First comes the stuff anyone can do (Campaign, new areas). Then comes the NM's and a trickle of missions/storyline quests. Towards the end, they'll roll out the biggest stuff. It's like the whole expansion was a series of teasers leading up to the big stuff...reminds me of update previews.

[Zak]

- New event/endgame area, along the lines of Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Assault/Sky/Sea.
- Story progression, involving at least some semi-challenging/difficult BCs.
- New HNM / Schedule-able fights like Ouryu/Bahamut v2.

Things like that never happen in the 1st update of an addon.

[shukuffxi]

- New event/endgame area, along the lines of Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Assault/Sky/Sea.
- Story progression, involving at least some semi-challenging/difficult BCs.
- New HNM / Schedule-able fights like Ouryu/Bahamut v2.

Things like that never happen in the 1st update of an addon.

I was talking about updates in general, not only the first. And I do think it's possible for there to be story progression of some sort and one or two fun BCs (not the joke they added this update) in the first update. As for new HNM, is there any reason NOT to insert an HNM, at any update? Especially when WotG's only brought us the lolness of Sandworm so far. I don't expect an endgame event/area in the first update, just listing the things that make for updates that people like.

[Plow]

.. did anyone notice on the first page someone was talking about boosting their enhancing skill with earthen ward? it made me cry...

and WoTG I"ve only done dabbles on one character and haven't even bothered on the other.

Just a quick side note, they said they cap their enhancing exp with Earthen Ward. I was doing that like mad the other day in the Ronfaure, and was having a gigglefest with another SMN buffing everyone and everything.

3 bars of buffs... on each of 20+ people and npc's is ftw lol

[Zalius]

i think i want to come back to ffxi to dance

id call that a good update

[Geneyus]

New plan is BST7-75. Obtain Temp Axe. I shall swing until my arms can't move anymore.